Immigration lady told me or at least strongly hinted that I need to leave after this covid extension

[2 is 1]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

AFAIR the rules were brought in because people were unable to get a flight back to their home country and I am quite happy for that to happen.

 

However there are flights back to almost any country in the world now so there is no need for a "Covid" extension any more. If people want to stay in Thailand then get a proper visa and extend on that.

 

If they don't want a proper visa such as you, I and thousands of other expats did/do then go back to their own countries and start again.

You are just jealous! What is away from you if somebody get "visa" more easy than you?

I have never understand people who envy others and what they get/have. Stop your own non-o and get covid extension if that is so nice! One day CE going to end , maybe its your celebration day! Buy cake and few colorful balloons to party.

[DezLez]

51 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

The reason is irrelevant.

Their country their rules.

So you just follow those irrelevant rules blindly and recommend others do the same!

????

[Daithi85]

3 hours ago, DezLez said:

But why should there be covid extenions available now if flights and immigrition entry are available in/to the "home" country?

 

Why is always the old goats that cry about other people's visa status.?

[DezLez]

3 minutes ago, Daithi85 said:

Why is always the old goats that cry about other people's visa status.?

What have goats of any type or age got to do with this (so called) COVID extension thread?

[Iamfalang]

3 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

What don't people understand..

I'm just NOT getting it.  I'm really struggling.  Deep.   Quick sand

 

So, are you saying there can be flights out of Thailand and I can get a COVID Extension?????

 

Well, so, ahhhhhhhhhhhh...........errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......what's the correlation?   none???????

 

OK, hold my hand.......are you telling me flights leaving may not be a factor in why Thailand has extended this COVID Extension visa??????

 

Hold on one second mister!!!!    My falang guy says COVID Extension means you cannot leave Thailand.

 

Am I to believe Thailand and Thai immigration knows more than my old drunk broke falang friend?

 

I'm still at a loss

[RedArmy]

1 hour ago, problemfarang said:

Well the question here is if they can make it non-o, why they dont. Whats the point of using covid extension.. other options, i think what you mean is the people who are trying to leave in the country without a proper visa.. well the thing is they should have the proper visa. This is very unfair for the people who are doing things legally and properly. And this kind of act is one of the reasons why these good people who are trying to do things right, must do more and more paper work! 

Thats the reason many people thinks they need to go back to their country and stop doing everything they can to find a way. It is simple, you need the proper reason or visa to live and stay in thailand like all other countries... and they also will stop waiting for the new covid visa extensions.. im sure its making them crazy too. 

 

What a ridiculous statement - For the record, people on Covid Extensions are not living here on "Proper Visas" , they are just extending their permission to stay as set out by the Thai Government in the Royal Gazette - What they are doing is 100% legal & they are following the rules - How this effects others, completely bemuses me.

 

I entered visa exempt last October- Opened up a bank account, put the required funds in there & can easily obtain a Non O For the purpose of Retirement, plus subsequent extensions - I received a 60 day Covid Extension on Friday to take me up untill 6th October 2022 - The reason i have chosen not to apply for my Non O Visa yet, is because i have been travelling around & not decided where i want to settle. When CE's end, i dont need to return anywhere, as some have suggested - I will just apply for a 90 day Non O Visa - Funds have been in the bank for 9 months now.

 

Hope this makes it easier for you to comprehend.

[DezLez]

29 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

The reason i have chosen not to apply for my Non O Visa yet, is because i have been travelling around & not decided where i want to settle.

So it has nothing to do with COVID!

[night_rider]

I've no interest in an argument but I will try to add to a rational discussion points I have not heard widely articulated.

 

1. Some countries ARE still closed

 

There are still countries and destinations which are closed. Are they dwindling? Yes.

Did the Thai government decide to not distinguish a list of acceptable and unacceptable destinations in the interest of simplicity and trusting their Immigration staff? Yes.

 

2. Not everyone is returning their home country

 

Travelers have different destinations. Some are on round the world trips. Some are on religious pilgrimages. Some are on a chain of business trips. Immigration does not evaluate based on the accessibility of the country issuing the passport.

 

3. The order actually includes regional conflicts as well.

 

I'll just quote the order (Google translate). 

Quote

 

Due to the situation of the epidemic of coronavirus disease 2019 or covid 19 has not been resolved and some countries have strict prevention and surveillance measures.  together with the situation  Conflicts between countries in some regions of the world  affecting aliens on their journey back and forth  outside the kingdom  and there was a necessity to remain in the Kingdom  Therefore, the following guidelines have been established:

 

I will include a full translation of the order below.

 

 

 

 

Quote

 

ASAP

 

message memo

 

Government agency no. 0029.161/W. 22 Ngor.

 

Immigration Office

 

Call date

 

0 2287 4621 Fax 0 2286 1814 26 July 2022

 

Subject: Authorization and determination of guidelines for consideration under Article 5 of the Police Order No. 327/2014 dated 30 June 2014 in some cases (during the epidemic situation of Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 and the situation of  international conflict) more

 

Deputy Commander-in-Chief of Immigration, Commander-in-Chief of Immigration Office

 

According to the letter of Immigration as soon as possible No. 0029.161/W. 3611, dated 29 September 2013 and ten additional copies, authorizing and stipulating guidelines for consideration under Article 5 of the Royal Thai Police Order No. 327/2557, dated 30 June.  57 in some cases (during the epidemic situation of the Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19) by authorizing the Superintendent of Police 6, Immigration Bureau 1, Immigration Commissioner of the Provincial Police, Police Department.  Immigration Bureau, Immigration Bureau (immigration chief), Chiang Saen Immigration Checkpoint Superintendent and Betong Immigration Checkpoint, Betong are authorized to consider allowing foreigners to stay in  the kingdom for a longer period of time  Not more than 60 days each time, from 29 Sept. 20 - 25 Jul. 20.

 

Due to the situation of the epidemic of coronavirus disease 2019 or covid 19 has not been resolved and some countries have strict prevention and surveillance measures.  together with the situation  Conflicts between countries in some regions of the world  affecting aliens on their journey back and forth  outside the kingdom  and there was a necessity to remain in the Kingdom  Therefore, the following guidelines have been established:

 

1. Extend the period of time for the implementation of the above letter until 24 Aug. 20 2. Increase the strictness of considering permission to stay in the Kingdom.  to prevent

 

Foreigners use it as an opportunity to avoid reasons for requesting to stay in the Kingdom without the objective.  of immigration law  In particular, the reason for applying to stay in the Kingdom must be strict in accordance with the guidelines set by the Immigration Commissioner, including preventing aliens from hiding in the country to find channels for wrongdoing.  other criminal law

 

3. In the case of aliens entering the Kingdom  by receiving a type of visa  Tourists (TR) or aliens who are exempt from visa for tourism for not more than 30 days (Phor. 30) if they wish to stay in the Kingdom temporarily.  to submit an application to temporarily stay in the Kingdom  According to the necessity reason in Article 2.4 first, if still unable to travel back out of the Kingdom  to be able to apply for a temporary stay in the Kingdom according to this letter

 

4. In the case of an alien who has received a Visa on Arrival visa and is unable to leave  outside the kingdom  to consider granting temporary stay in the Kingdom  In case of necessity by the embassy  or the consulate certifies and requests according to Article 2.28 of the Order No. 327/2557 regarding the criteria and conditions for considering the case of an alien applying for a temporary stay in the Kingdom, dated 30 June 2014, in conjunction with the statement.  Immigration Order No. 138/2557 regarding the list of supporting documents in case an alien requests to stay in  the Kingdom temporarily dated 7 July 2014 by a certificate and requesting to stay from the embassy or consulate in Thailand.  Must be an original document

 

If a foreigner.....

 

In the consulate in the recognition will be arranged according to the 4th of the Court, Porn 21 555

 

and the conditions for considering who  If staying in the Kingdom temporarily 10 June 2

 

Complementing the Order of Person No. 13/2557, the list of items for consideration in the case of aliens requesting to stay in

 

Fa Thai jobs are not given by relatives.

 

If different people are unable to proceed according to the first paragraph and claim that they are unable to travel, the price can go to the Immigration Commander 6, the Immigration Commander 6-3 or the Deputy Commander who has been assigned as a person with  power  on the day of the Kingdom for a further temporary period  Each time does not exceed 30 days according to Article 5 of the order Dr. Sent 3 has 4, each person must have a list of supporting documents for consideration according to the last letter at webss • be posted 29 Sep. 63 before considering permission to inspect.  Exam too  - Used to travel, so the fare has been paid in full for use to travel back out of the Kingdom - Is there any problem with the way back out of the Kingdom as scheduled?

 

4. In the case of an alien who has been granted a temporary stay visa  (Non-Immigrant Visa) temporarily stay in the Kingdom  According to the necessity, according to the Order No. 327/2557, the terms and conditions for considering the case of an alien applying for a temporary stay in the Kingdom 7 and its amendments, and the NEDA Order No. 118-2014 regarding the items  Supporting Documents  Request to stay in the Kingdom temporarily, dated 3 July 2014 and amendments  If the alien is unable to proceed under paragraph one and is unable to travel back out of the country

 

has given the Immigration Commissioner... Immigration Commander 36 or the deputy commander assigned to be authorized to consider granting permission.  The symptoms are temporary.  Each time does not exceed 60 days according to Article 5 of the Order of Sor. No. 327/2557 52, provided that the foreigner must have a list of supporting documents for consideration according to the Immigration Bureau letter as soon as possible a2aban 82 bet 1.5. bm

 

5. Complete records and reasons for requesting to stay in the Kingdom in the information system.

 

In the event that a defect is found, it will consider taking action on those involved in both administrative and disciplinary actions.

 

3. Reporting statistics on permission of aliens to stay in the Kingdom  To report in the attached form, as soon as possible, No. 1024161/W 360, dated 23 Nov '14, on the delegation of powers and guidelines, Order No. 32557, dated June 10, 2014 in some cases.

 

4. Publicize to foreigners that  When this time permit has expired  must travel  Kingdom  or submit an application to stay for other reasons  2014 Re: Criteria and Conditions for Considering the Case of Aliens Applying for an Approval in a Price dated 30 June 2014 and amended in conjunction with Immigration Order No. 138/2557 - Complementary for Consideration in the Case of Aliens Requesting to Stay  temporarily in the Kingdom

 

In this regard, comply with the relevant laws, regulations, orders and guidelines.  or the behavior of the competent official in the nature of benefiting or helping foreigners  Chak with the objectives of the principles under this book by having the editor in charge of checking - 4 of the Immigration Act, 1959 and checking to prevent smuggling.

 

 

 

[DrJoy]

http://piv-phuket.com/

 

 

Phuket Immigration Volunteers website states -

 

** The last application date for the special 60 day Covid extension is 24 August 2022. **

[billd766]

5 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

That's where yourself and many others are wrong.

 

Clearly the covid extensions have not been made available for the reason you imagine.

 

If "unable to get a flight back to home country" was the reason for CE they would have been stopped LONG ago.

To the contrary they have just been extended yet again. 

 

 

So tell us all what the real reason is, with links if possible.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

You are just jealous! What is away from you if somebody get "visa" more easy than you?

I have never understand people who envy others and what they get/have. Stop your own non-o and get covid extension if that is so nice! One day CE going to end , maybe its your celebration day! Buy cake and few colorful balloons to party.

Not jealous. Simply law abiding and playing by the rules.

 

I already have a visa and I have had it since 2009.

 

In truth I think that your post is a waste of space and contributes nothing to the thread.

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, billd766 said:

So tell us all what the real reason is, with links if possible.

Stop.

There is one fact....Thai government have for quite some time been continuing with making covid extensions available.

I have no interest in why.

The fact is they have and clearly has nothing with not being able to exit Thailand.

If the government subsequently decides to scrap visa fees and extend visa exempt to 45 days..

As being recommended by TAT etc....

I won't ask WHY.

Good saying in Thailand...

"Not your business"

 

Take another read of ubonjoe reply to your earlier thread.

 

  9 hours ago, billd766 said:

And so many people are abusing them.

In what way have they abused them?

They must of qualified for them under the written rules or they would not of been issued.

Edited July 24, 2022 by DrJack54

[DezLez]

27 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Good saying in Thailand...

"Not your business"

Or your's?

[RedArmy]

51 minutes ago, DezLez said:

So it has nothing to do with COVID!

Are you thick or what ??? Can you read or not ???

 

The Thai government sets out the rules - Myself and many many others follow these rules as set out in the Royal Gazette - Personally, if these Covid Extensions were not available, i would already be on my 12 month extension of stay based to my 90 day Non O Visa, which i have personally not decided to apply for yet, as given in my reasons in my previous post.

 

Hope this clears everything up for you.

 

Ps - Live & let live - Stop concerning yourself with what other individuals are doing or not doing.

 

 

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.

 

[merijn]

3 hours ago, DrJoy said:

http://piv-phuket.com/

 

 

Phuket Immigration Volunteers website states -

 

** The last application date for the special 60 day Covid extension is 24 August 2022. **

Is this a question or comment ?????????

We all know that the extension application date is moved to 24 August.

[ubonjoe]

This topic is now closed after a I cleaned out many bickering, baiting and etc posts.