Trump did nothing to stop his supporters as they attacked Congress, threatened Pence, witnesses tell Jan. 6 committee

[Lacessit]

27 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Liar & cheat ... maybe

 

Loser ... billionaire with wife 20+ yrs younger ... If that's a loser, sign me up ????

What makes you think Trump is a billionaire? He is in hock to the Russians and Deutsche Bank, by the time he pays the lawyers he will be skint. They certainly will be demanding payment up front, given his track record of dudding people.

 

As for a wife 20+ years younger, my GF is 23 years younger than me, and I daresay not as high maintenance as Melania. Assuming they are even getting it on.

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, japanese said:

Sham show trial. Stupid to believe anything from these people.

Something to back up that astonishing statement?

No? Then please get back under your bridge.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

I tend to agree. In my mind I think; To try to avoid this distinct possibility through appeasement and some mental gymnastics to justify avoidance of such open conflict with the traitorous, secessionist, fascist/racist elements within the country and thus deny execution of the Law to the letter without fear or favour would be a catastrophic decision and only serve to delay the inevitable.  

Absolutely.

 

 

[Longwood50]

1 hour ago, HappyExpat57 said:

The former president's sycophants doted on every word he spewed. All he had to do was send a tweet (he wasn't banned for life from Twitter at that time) for them to stop and they would have. You MUST know that, and trying to bring up riots is a diversion/red herring.

Yes I know that the words of Obama were so much more comforting and subduing.  Certainly no call for conflict or violence in these. 

 

 

 

 

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/campaigns/40703-obama-on-gop-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Longwood50 said:

Yes I know that the words of Obama were so much more comforting and subduing.  Certainly no call for conflict or violence in these. 

 

 

 

 

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/campaigns/40703-obama-on-gop-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/

Looks like you lost perspective and don't really understand the difference between Obama 's words and Trump 's words and (lack of) actions.

[Longwood50]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Looks like you lost perspective and don't really understand the difference between Obama 's words and Trump 's words and (lack of) actions.

Really, and exactly what did Trump do.  I see no footage of him leading the group of "protestors"  You see they are insurrectionists when they are Republicans and "demonstrators" when they are Democrats.  The fact is Obama was calling on people to get into someones face.  

If anyone is not seeing the difference it is you.  You chastize Trump for "not doing anything" but excuse Obama for calling on people to get in other peoples face even using the term we bring a gun.  

[billd766]

5 hours ago, japanese said:

Sham show trial. Stupid to believe anything from these people.

Actually it is NOT a trial but an enquiry. A trial ma y or may not be the result, depending on the Attorney General and the Public prosecutors.

 

Apart from that you appear to believe a proven serial liar who has consistently refused to go before the investigative committee, where dozens of other people including members of his own staff have gone, most willingly and some unwillingly.

 

What I cannot understand is how he refuses to accept the reality that he LOST. Many of his supporters feel the same and it seems that you do as well.

3 hours ago, George Aylesham said:

wrong post. Sorry

 

 

[Jingthing]

19 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Really, and exactly what did Trump do.  I see no footage of him leading the group of "protestors"  You see they are insurrectionists when they are Republicans and "demonstrators" when they are Democrats.  The fact is Obama was calling on people to get into someones face.  

If anyone is not seeing the difference it is you.  You chastize Trump for "not doing anything" but excuse Obama for calling on people to get in other peoples face even using the term we bring a gun.  

Just stop it with the cynical diversionary games. Obama's campaign rhetoric has absolutely nothing to do with the January 6 violent coup attempt to illegally keep trump in power.

[billd766]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Just stop it with the cynical diversionary games. Obama's campaign rhetoric has absolutely nothing to do with the January 6 violent coup attempt to illegally keep trump in power.

He is in the slightly altered Monkee's song,

 

"I'm a (Trump) believer. I couldn't leave him if I tried".

Edited July 23, 2022 by billd766
Added extra text

[spidermike007]

Fortunately, these latest revelations seem to be affecting the support of even many of his die hard supporters. His numbers are dropping daily, and his fund raising is tanking too. 

 

Unfortunately, the US is so dysfunctional at this point in time, the chances of an effective leader being elected anytime soon are remote at best. And congress and the senate are irreparably broken and ineffective too.

 

It is a nation in significant decline. On so many levels. 

Edited July 23, 2022 by spidermike007

[candide]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Liar & cheat ... maybe

 

Loser ... billionaire with wife 20+ yrs younger ... If that's a loser, sign me up ????

Well, at least he lost elections by large.

Not sure about his wealth. From the available information, he lost money with his undertakings and made money on TV. So only 50% loser on this dimension. ????

 

Edited July 23, 2022 by candide

[candide]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

Really, and exactly what did Trump do.  I see no footage of him leading the group of "protestors"  You see they are insurrectionists when they are Republicans and "demonstrators" when they are Democrats.  The fact is Obama was calling on people to get into someones face.  

If anyone is not seeing the difference it is you.  You chastize Trump for "not doing anything" but excuse Obama for calling on people to get in other peoples face even using the term we bring a gun.  

Ahem! When did Democrats assault the Capitol in order to steal elections?

[Longwood50]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Just stop it with the cynical diversionary games. Obama's campaign rhetoric has absolutely nothing to do with the January 6 violent coup attempt to illegally keep trump in power.

Not diversionary,  I am merely pointing out that somehow it is only Trump that is pointed to for inciting.  Yet his "crime" was that he did or said nothing to encourage it.  Obama by contrast was openly calling for people to get in other peoples face and even to the extent of using the term if they bring a knife we bring a gun.  In other words escalate the level of violence and somehow he escapes criticism.  

 

[Longwood50]

13 hours ago, candide said:

Ahem! When did Democrats assault the Capitol in order to steal elections?

And when did Trump lead that assault.  Its funny.  Liberals are such wordsmiths.  When it is a cause they are for. They rioters burning, looting, and vandalizing are "mostly peaceful protestors"   When people gather to go to the capital, don't burn, loot, or vandalize they are assaulting the capital and insurrectionists. 

Since Trump even announced running this is part of a concerted effort to drum up some pretense to try and smear his reputation.  You had the  Russian Collusion bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, you had the Stormy Daniels smear though the attorney for her is currently in jail, you had the Ukraine abuse of power, though Biden openly bragged about a quid pro quo witholding aid, and most recently the capital charade. 

It is a tactic called for by Saul Alinksy, you attack and keep attacking never let your opponent take the offensive.  You tell a lie, make it a big lie and keep repeating it.  It does not matter that later it is disproven because a certain number of people will only hear the smear never the retraction. 
 

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Longwood50

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

And when did Trump lead that assault.  Its funny.  Liberals are such wordsmiths.  When it is a cause they are for. They rioters burning, looting, and vandalizing are "mostly peaceful protestors"   When people gather to go to the capital, don't burn, loot, or vandalize they are assaulting the capital and insurrectionists. 

Since Trump even announced running this is part of a concerted effort to drum up some pretense to try and smear his reputation.  You had the  Russian Collusion bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, you had the Stormy Daniels smear though the attorney for her is currently in jail, you had the Ukraine abuse of power, though Biden openly bragged about a quid pro quo witholding aid, and most recently the capital charade. 

It is a tactic called for by Saul Alinksy, you attack and keep attacking never let your opponent take the offensive.  You tell a lie, make it a big lie and keep repeating it.  It does not matter that later it is disproven because a certain number of people will only hear the smear never the retraction. 
 

 

"When people gather to go to the capital, don't burn, loot, or vandalize they are assaulting the capital and insurrectionists."

 

Excuse me, are you sure they didn't loot and vandalize? Because the images and videos shown paint a very different reality to yours, just because they didn't also burn the place down does not mean they were not insurrectionists

[stevenl]

18 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

And when did Trump lead that assault.  Its funny.  Liberals are such wordsmiths.  When it is a cause they are for. They rioters burning, looting, and vandalizing are "mostly peaceful protestors"   When people gather to go to the capital, don't burn, loot, or vandalize they are assaulting the capital and insurrectionists. 

Since Trump even announced running this is part of a concerted effort to drum up some pretense to try and smear his reputation.  You had the  Russian Collusion bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, you had the Stormy Daniels smear though the attorney for her is currently in jail, you had the Ukraine abuse of power, though Biden openly bragged about a quid pro quo witholding aid, and most recently the capital charade. 

It is a tactic called for by Saul Alinksy, you attack and keep attacking never let your opponent take the offensive.  You tell a lie, make it a big lie and keep repeating it.  It does not matter that later it is disproven because a certain number of people will only hear the smear never the retraction. 
 

 

He lead it on January 6.

But there really is no point, anyone who says trump couldn't help it and Obama was calling for violence has lost all perspective, as I pointed out earlier.

 

You're correct with your quote, that is exactly Trump's tactic.

Edited July 24, 2022 by stevenl

[Longwood50]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Excuse me, are you sure they didn't loot and vandalize? Because the images and videos shown paint a very different reality to yours, just because they didn't also burn the place down does not mean they were not insurrectionists

No and just because they gathered at the capital does not make them insurrectionists.  The constitution guarantees freedom of assembly.  

 

Further even if they were as you describe.  Trump did not call for them, he was not there leading them, cheering them on.  I suggest you look at videos of Democrats such as Maxine Waters encouraging people to confront opponents wherever they are.  The recent condoning of the attacks on the Supreme Court members is far more insurrectionist.  

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Longwood50

[EVENKEEL]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Just stop it with the cynical diversionary games. Obama's campaign rhetoric has absolutely nothing to do with the January 6 violent coup attempt to illegally keep trump in power.

Coup attempt does not describe the events with folks with sticks. The millions of guns available and these guys came with sticks and cel phones. All these false characterizations are getting old. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Longwood50 said:

No and just because they gathered at the capital does not make them insurrectionists. 

They didn't just gather at the capitol though did they, you know exactly what they did when smashing windows and assaulting police to break in.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They didn't just gather at the capitol though did they, you know exactly what they did when smashing windows and assaulting police to break in.

That's the problem, he'll deny any assault or vandalizing because in his mind that didn't happen.

Reality and facts are irrelevant to many. They have there own facts and absolutely nothing can change their minds.

Edited July 24, 2022 by stevenl

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7 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Coup attempt does not describe the events with folks with sticks. The millions of guns available and these guys came with sticks and cel phones. All these false characterizations are getting old. 

Clearly nothing to those reports of rioters posing a danger. That's why Secret Service agents were so relaxed about them.  Oh wait a minute...

Mike Pence’s Secret Service Agents Thought They Might Not Survive Jan. 6

https://time.com/6199590/mike-pence-secret-service-jan-6-hearings/

 

[MrJ2U]

This is getting so old.

 

It's time to move on.  There so much more that's going on. 

 

Tit for tat between the two parties sucks.

 

They both s**k. 

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Clearly nothing to those reports of rioters posing a danger. That's why Secret Service agents were so relaxed about them.  Oh wait a minute...

Mike Pence’s Secret Service Agents Thought They Might Not Survive Jan. 6

https://time.com/6199590/mike-pence-secret-service-jan-6-hearings/

 

What you say doesn't take anything away from my point. If this was a bonafide coup as it's being described, why were there no firearms used? 

 

Next question, how many more meetings till this 1/6 ends?

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

This is getting so old.

 

It's time to move on.  There so much more that's going on. 

 

Tit for tat between the two parties sucks.

 

They both s**k. 

Yeah, who cares about an insurrection or a president refusing to protect the chosen representatives.

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36 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

No and just because they gathered at the capital does not make them insurrectionists.  The constitution guarantees freedom of assembly.  

 

Further even if they were as you describe.  Trump did not call for them, he was not there leading them, cheering them on.  I suggest you look at videos of Democrats such as Maxine Waters encouraging people to confront opponents wherever they are.  The recent condoning of the attacks on the Supreme Court members is far more insurrectionist.  And that goes to motive.

 

Well, gathering in the vicinity of the Capitol is one thing. Breaking into the Capitol is quite another. And when the intent is to interfere put a stop to the crucial Constitutional Duty of Congress in regards to an election, even worse. And we know that lots of the loons who broke in were QAnonists who believed that breaking into the Capitol would precipitate The Storm. Which would result in the elections being overthrown and govt officials being tried and executed. 

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6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

What you say doesn't take anything away from my point. If this was a bonafide coup as it's being described, why were there no firearms used? 

 

Next question, how many more meetings till this 1/6 ends?

See my reply to Longwood.

[JohnOFphon]

20 hours ago, candide said:

A bit if fun about one if the conspirers ????

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/07/22/josh-hawley-video-january-6-running-dlt-vpx.cnn

Run Forest, run!

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

Not diversionary,  I am merely pointing out that somehow it is only Trump that is pointed to for inciting.  Yet his "crime" was that he did or said nothing to encourage it.  Obama by contrast was openly calling for people to get in other peoples face and even to the extent of using the term if they bring a knife we bring a gun.  In other words escalate the level of violence and somehow he escapes criticism.  

 

There was no similar violent event that you can point to as a result of Obama's speech.

The great Philly riot! I remember it well! Not.

 

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56 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

What you say doesn't take anything away from my point. If this was a bonafide coup as it's being described, why were there no firearms used? 

And the zip ties some carried, the kind used by law enforcement officials in lieu of handcuffs, were they going to be used to tie up bags carrying "souvenirs" from Congressional offices?

[vandeventer]

On 7/22/2022 at 9:20 PM, Phoenix Rising said:

Don't forget traitor. This is what he swore to do when entering office:

" I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

 

He betrayed that oath in the most fundamental and despicable manner.  Shame on him and those that still support him.

 

He is the Teflon man, because you Dems. can't even get him on J-walking, because he has done Nothing Wrong and he will be the next President of the USA whether you like it or not.