1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

the old saying ""it's not us , it's them"" always the easy escape

Isn't that what you are doing ?

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Shocked to hear The Guardian is blaming it on Brexit and The Tories ????.

This quite a good example of how some U.K media operates . 

There is a current news  story about delays on the French side of the border caused by a technical glitch , lack of Fench  staff , cancelled UK flights , Covid checks , UK holidays

   Yet the Guardian ignore all that and print a story about Brexit and Boris and apportioning all blame to them , and their readers lap it up because it reaffirms their opinion that Brexit is to blame for everything . 

   One sided , biased and not impartial reporting 

On 7/24/2022 at 12:18 PM, placeholder said:

Well, so you're claiming that security climate of roughly 50 years ago was no different than it is today?

Boats invading would have been shot out of the water 50 years ago. ????

 

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, all those are still available .

Although young unskilled Europeans can no longer get a boat across and apply for low paying unskilled work , they need to get a visa first before travelling 

And that's a benefit?

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

And that's a benefit?

For the unskilled young unemployed British people it is , yes

40 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

And there it is. You want so badly for your imaginary fantasy to be true that if you can't get enjoyable benefits from Europe then at least others have suffered by your acts.

 

You have stabbed yourself in the face so mommy will sob for you. 

 

You played yourself. 

When others embarrass themselves with codswallop like this I actually feel sorry for them.

 

My acts. Gawd.

 

7 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

I am not judging your standard of education. I am only interested in reasoned discussion of your beliefs. You might genuinely have information of interest.

But most of what I read from the 'Brexiteers' involves abuse towards anyone they regard as 'left leaning'. It's a bit sad. Like teasing in the playground.

 

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

.....I can assure you that the vast majority of abuse came from the remain camp,

Welcome, Bruno.

 

As we are dealing in generalisations, this might be classified as a typical comment from the Brexiter camp: A statement without any supporting evidence

1 minute ago, RayC said:

 

Welcome, Bruno.

 

As we are dealing in generalisations, this might be classified as a typical comment from the Brexiter camp: A statement without any supporting evidence

 

 

Good to see that the scars still run deep................keep whining.

2 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Good to see that the scars still run deep................keep whining.

Not whining just asking Brexiters to justify your position by supplying a rational argument to support your position.

 

After all, you did keep insisting that you knew what you were voting for, right?

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Welcome, Bruno.

 

As we are dealing in generalisations, this might be classified as a typical comment from the Brexiter camp: A statement without any supporting evidence

Yes, as people are making generalisations , nice of you to add tour own generalisation at the end .

   Great example there 

1 minute ago, RayC said:

 

Welcome, Bruno.

 

As we are dealing in generalisations, this might be classified as a typical comment from the Brexiter camp: A statement without any supporting evidence

The old posts are gone now AFIK but it was true about 5 years ago that any abuse invariably originated from remainers, especially post referendum.   

1 minute ago, RayC said:

Not whining just asking Brexiters to justify your position by supplying a rational argument to support your position.

 

After all, you did keep insisting that you knew what you were voting for, right?

 

 

No!

 

 

We knew what we were voting AGAINST.

 

 

You remainers never quite grasped that one  - but, hey! that's history, move on  -  if you can.

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

For the unskilled young unemployed British people it is , yes

The UK cannot fill these unskilled, relatively low-paid jobs from the domestic workforce.

 

Besides which, I thought that one of the by-products of Brexit was meant to be the up-skilling of the workforce?

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, as people are making generalisations , nice of you to add tour own generalisation at the end .

   Great example there 

You're welcome ????

1 minute ago, hotandsticky said:

No!

We knew what we were voting AGAINST.

You remainers never quite grasped that one  - but, hey! that's history, move on  -  if you can.

Remainers knew exactly why brexiteers were voting for it. In a word, xenophobia, without understanding how the economy runs. No other issue mattered at all to them.

11 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Welcome, Bruno.

 

As we are dealing in generalisations, this might be classified as a typical comment from the Brexiter camp: A statement without any supporting evidence

Says a socialist whose Party didn't have a CLUE what to do at the time, and still don't...........????

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

The UK cannot fill these unskilled, relatively low-paid jobs from the domestic workforce.

 

Besides which, I thought that one of the by-products of Brexit was meant to be the up-skilling of the workforce?

Could try cutting UK benefits and increasing the wages ?

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

The UK cannot fill these unskilled, relatively low-paid jobs from the domestic workforce.

 

Besides which, I thought that one of the by-products of Brexit was meant to be the up-skilling of the workforce?

I reckon you've got a condo on Costa de Lotta and ain't fixed yer visa thingy......????

1 minute ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

No!

 

 

We knew what we were voting AGAINST.

 

 

You remainers never quite grasped that one  - but, hey! that's history, move on  -  if you can.

Then just own the shambles that you helped create instead of forever blaming Remainers and the EU.

 

The UK government needs to take responsibility and be accountable for its' actions; something that it has almost completely neglected to do since 2016.

 

We've been done this road so many times before. 

Just now, RayC said:

Then just own the shambles that you helped create instead of forever blaming Remainers and the EU.

 

The UK government needs to take responsibility and be accountable for its' actions; something that it has almost completely neglected to do since 2016.

 

We've been done this road so many times before. 

Yes, move on .

Brexit was years ago and the concerns of today are Covid and Ukraine and French immigration incompetence 

1 minute ago, RayC said:

Then just own the shambles that you helped create instead of forever blaming Remainers and the EU.

 

The UK government needs to take responsibility and be accountable for its' actions; something that it has almost completely neglected to do since 2016.

 

We've been done this road so many times before. 

Nobody is blaming remainers, it is people like you who are still  smarting 6 years on.

YOU, forget, the UK populace voted to leave, so put it on the shelf, you lost.....Finished....????

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Could try cutting UK benefits and increasing the wages ?

You could but, presumably, you wouldn't want to cut benefits for those in genuine need (as opposed to those who might be labelled 'workshy'. I'd suggest  that developing the criteria to differentiate isn't an overnight job.

 

I'm all for improving workers' T&C but  perhaps, today's economic climate isn't the best time to add to the inflationary pressures.

 

18 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The old posts are gone now AFIK but it was true about 5 years ago that any abuse invariably originated from remainers, especially post referendum.   

That is your recollection of events. I'm sure many others would disagree with it.

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

That is your recollection of events. I'm sure many others would disagree with it.

Yes, foot stomping remainers......????

16 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Could try cutting UK benefits and increasing the wages ?

Government setting wages? That's a bit left wing...

13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, move on .

Brexit was years ago and the concerns of today are Covid and Ukraine and French immigration incompetence 

Really? Yet other Brexiters say it hasn't begun yet...

14 minutes ago, transam said:

I reckon you've got a condo on Costa de Lotta and ain't fixed yer visa thingy......????

 

18 minutes ago, transam said:

Says a socialist whose Party didn't have a CLUE what to do at the time, and still don't...........????

I know that I shouldn't encourage you, but I'm curious how you arrive at these assumptions (especially the bizarre nonsense about visas and the Costa de Lotta)?

12 minutes ago, RayC said:

That is your recollection of events. I'm sure many others would disagree with it.

Well I can see one.

17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, move on .

Brexit was years ago and the concerns of today are Covid and Ukraine and French immigration incompetence 

The referendum was years ago but how can you ignore the ongoing effects? The fact that the UK government wants to renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement demonstrates that:Brexit' is still a 'live' issue today.

6 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

I know that I shouldn't encourage you, but I'm curious how you arrive at these assumptions (especially the bizarre nonsense about visas and the Costa de Lotta)?

And do you really expect a sensible answer?