The Alex Jones Trial Is As Messy As You’d Expect

[baboon]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

JFK being killed by the CIA

9/11 being an inside job

Flat Earthers 

Chemtrails . 

Jews controlling the World 

'Join the Flat Earth society. We have supporters all round the globe...'

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8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

As should people who question how they were flown or why when its clear they were hijacked along with testimony from cell phone logged calls from flight crew and passengers

Well, what some of the conspiracy theorists are claiming without any evidence is that not only did the plane at the Pentagon crash but there was in addition a missile or a detonation of some kind. Even though none of that is needed to explain the damage inflicted on the building.

[zzaa09]

Is it true that Mr. Jones' actually worth in the neighborhood of US$55-60 million....??

 

[billd766]

26 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Is it true that Mr. Jones' actually worth in the neighborhood of US$55-60 million....??

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62444302

 

Earlier on Friday, an economist hired by the parents testified that Jones, his media brand Infowars and parent company Free Speech Systems are worth up to $270m.

 

Bernard Pettingill told the court that records indicate Jones withdrew $62m for himself from his company in 2021 as his legal troubles grew.

"That number represents, in my opinion, a value of a net worth," Mr Pettingill said. "He's got money put in a bank account somewhere."

[billd766]

I don't think that he is short of a few dollars so he should be be given the option of paying up by a certain time, or be declared bankrupt and ALL his assets sold off, be declared a bankrupt. As an alternative he could be offer a jail sentence of 1 year for every $500,000 he still owes.

[zzaa09]

29 minutes ago, billd766 said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62444302

 

Earlier on Friday, an economist hired by the parents testified that Jones, his media brand Infowars and parent company Free Speech Systems are worth up to $270m.

 

Bernard Pettingill told the court that records indicate Jones withdrew $62m for himself from his company in 2021 as his legal troubles grew.

"That number represents, in my opinion, a value of a net worth," Mr Pettingill said. "He's got money put in a bank account somewhere."

Yeah....I've heard/read these things that he's worth quite a bundle. His personal and asset [and investments] wealth is significant into the hundreds of millions, yet is pleading poverty during the court hearings. 

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, people are questioning certain aspects of 9/11

No one is claiming that it didn't actually happen .

"How/Why did it happen" is very different to *It didn't happen* 

This is basic English, can you not see the difference between the two ?

Questioning something and denying something ?

That's the right wing playbook. Cast doubt where there is none. The nutters will come out in droves to boost the conspiracy. It's the same thing with climate change, suggesting that the science isn't settled in respect to man made global warming isn't denying it but it's a total wack job.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That's the right wing playbook. Cast doubt where there is none. The nutters will come out in droves to boost the conspiracy. It's the same thing with climate change, suggesting that the science isn't settled in respect to man made global warming isn't denying it but it's a total wack job.

Yes, must be complete nutters to mention that since the last million years, the world has been getting cooler and  warmer in 100 000 year cycles , nutters should be silenced and global warning shouldn't be even questioned .

   Nutters

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, must be complete nutters to mention that since the last million years, the world has been getting cooler and  warmer in 100 000 year cycles , nutters should be silenced and global warning shouldn't be even questioned .

   Nutters

Then there are nutters who think that 100,000 cycles are the same as 100 year cycles and who totally ignore that the current CO2 levels in the atmosphere are the highest in 800,000 years, all due to mankind's influence.

Edited August 7, 2022 by ozimoron

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Then there are nutters who think that 100,000 cycles are the same as 100 year cycles and who totally ignore that the current CO2 levels in the atmosphere are the highest in 800,000 years, all due to mankind's influence.

Yes, the nutters shouldn't even ask , they should just agree with everyone else, nutters

[Fat is a type of crazy]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, the nutters shouldn't even ask , they should just agree with everyone else, nutters

On things like the Pentagon I don't get why after 21 years it would be brought up when there's clear evidence of what happened. The broader thing though is how that could even be a thing. That the planes that hit New York were terrorists and then someone said hey we'll say they attacked the Pentagon too because..? Or the whole 9 11 was not terrorists but someone else  because...?

So spending time discussing it 21 years later can seem a bit nutty, as it is proven, and even if photo evidence was lacking what possible scenario could result in a broad group of people lying about it and wanting to lie about it. 

Edited August 7, 2022 by Fat is a type of crazy

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, the nutters shouldn't even ask , they should just agree with everyone else, nutters

They should just listen to the scientific evidence. Problem is they don't (want to) understand.

[ozimoron]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, the nutters shouldn't even ask , they should just agree with everyone else, nutters

That's right. Until they can produce scientific research which has the backing of mainstream scientists who don't just make a living peddling lies they should be quiet. When such evidence is produced by all means trumpet it out loud. Until then such conjecture is just fomenting misinformation and conspiracy theories.

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18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, the nutters shouldn't even ask , they should just agree with everyone else, nutters

When 99.9% of scientific research contradicts what a nutter believes, maybe it's time for that nutter to return to sanity.

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh just one of many of his extreme conspiracies, here's just a few more:

 

secret government operations behind chemtrails

The government has ‘weather weapons’

Chemicals in the water are turning frogs gay

Hillary Clinton is running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor

Robert Mueller is a demon, and also a pedophile

Bush administration had taken part in a staged terror attack 7/11

Actually, the one about gay frogs is close to true.

Humans have been using phenol ethoxylates since their invention in 1940, mostly as liquid laundry and dishwashing detergents. They do not break down in effluent treatment systems. The only way to remove them is with activated carbon, which is very expensive. Most third world countries would not bother.

In the environment, they act as endocrine disruptors, and mimic oestrogen. Probably feminization is a more accurate description than gay.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonylphenol#Environmental_hazards

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Actually, the one about gay frogs is close to true.

Humans have been using phenol ethoxylates since their invention in 1940, mostly as liquid laundry and dishwashing detergents. They do not break down in effluent treatment systems. The only way to remove them is with activated carbon, which is very expensive. Most third world countries would not bother.

In the environment, they act as endocrine disruptors, and mimic oestrogen. Probably feminization is a more accurate description than gay.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonylphenol#Environmental_hazards

I'm afraid Alex expanded on that a little more:

 

Chemicals in the water are turning frogs gay

One of Jones’ most notorious conspiracy theories is that the government is using chemicals in order to turn people gay, using a mysterious “gay bomb” devised by the Pentagon.

“The reason there’s so many gay people now is because it’s a chemical warfare operation, and I have the government documents where they said they’re going to encourage homosexuality with chemicals so that people don’t have children,” he said on his broadcast in 2010, according to NBC News.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/alex-jones-5-most-disturbing-ridiculous-conspiracy-theories.html

Edited August 7, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'm afraid Alex expanded on that a little more:

 

Chemicals in the water are turning frogs gay

One of Jones’ most notorious conspiracy theories is that the government is using chemicals in order to turn people gay, using a mysterious “gay bomb” devised by the Pentagon.

“The reason there’s so many gay people now is because it’s a chemical warfare operation, and I have the government documents where they said they’re going to encourage homosexuality with chemicals so that people don’t have children,” he said on his broadcast in 2010, according to NBC News.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/alex-jones-5-most-disturbing-ridiculous-conspiracy-theories.html

It would not be the first time a conspiracy theorist has taken sound science and twisted it for their own purposes, thanks for the explanation.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Chemicals in the water are turning frogs gay

 

There have been scientific reports that the female contraceptive pill has been causing estragon levels in drinking water to rise. Estrogen levels in rivers have caused fish to ..................................

 

"In one case, it has been found out that the water source is now contaminated by estrogen. Fishes do now have male and female sexual organs. Now, the male fishes’ fertility has decreased until the freshwater fish species have been extinguished."

 

   So Chemicals in the water system are having an adverse effect on wildlife .

   That isn't a conspiracy theory, that is scientific research

 

https://theberkey.com/blogs/water-filter/estrogen-in-drinking-water-how-to-remove-it

 

 

https://theberkey.com/blogs/water-filter/estrogen-in-drinking-water-how-to-remove-it

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There have been scientific reports that the female contraceptive pill has been causing estragon levels in drinking water to rise. Estrogen levels in rivers have caused fish to ..................................

 

"In one case, it has been found out that the water source is now contaminated by estrogen. Fishes do now have male and female sexual organs. Now, the male fishes’ fertility has decreased until the freshwater fish species have been extinguished."

 

   So Chemicals in the water system are having an adverse effect on wildlife .

   That isn't a conspiracy theory, that is scientific research

 

https://theberkey.com/blogs/water-filter/estrogen-in-drinking-water-how-to-remove-it

 

 

https://theberkey.com/blogs/water-filter/estrogen-in-drinking-water-how-to-remove-it

See my post above on what dear Alex claimed 

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1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There have been scientific reports that the female contraceptive pill has been causing estragon levels in drinking water to rise. Estrogen levels in rivers have caused fish to ..................................

 

"In one case, it has been found out that the water source is now contaminated by estrogen. Fishes do now have male and female sexual organs. Now, the male fishes’ fertility has decreased until the freshwater fish species have been extinguished."

 

   So Chemicals in the water system are having an adverse effect on wildlife .

   That isn't a conspiracy theory, that is scientific research

 

https://theberkey.com/blogs/water-filter/estrogen-in-drinking-water-how-to-remove-it

 

 

https://theberkey.com/blogs/water-filter/estrogen-in-drinking-water-how-to-remove-it

Thanks for citing that eminent scientific source, a company trying to sell its filter. But in fact, there is a big problem with contaminants from plastic acting like sex hormones in the water.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303720721002598

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for citing that eminent scientific source, a company trying to sell its filter. But in fact, there is a big problem with contaminants from plastic acting like sex hormones in the water.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303720721002598

 

Yes, so the suggestion that there are contaminates in the water system that are having a detrimental  effect on Human life  and other animals  isn't from some right wing nutter going on about gay frogs , there is a scientific  element of truth behind it 

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2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, so the suggestion that there are contaminates in the water system that are having a detrimental  effect on Human life  and other animals  isn't from some right wing nutter going on about gay frogs , there is a scientific  element of truth behind it 

Yes, in this case there's science behind it. But in the case of say, climate change, not really. 99.9% of research papers that touch on the subject don't support the denialism. But that doesn't stop the conspiracy theorists.

[stevenl]

16 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, so the suggestion that there are contaminates in the water system that are having a detrimental  effect on Human life  and other animals  isn't from some right wing nutter going on about gay frogs , there is a scientific  element of truth behind it 

But that was not his suggestion, was it? He claimed "The reason there’s so many gay people now is because it’s a chemical warfare operation, and I have the government documents where they said they’re going to encourage homosexuality with chemicals so that people don’t have children,”.

Edited August 7, 2022 by stevenl
Thanks to @Bkk Brian for the quote.

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1 minute ago, stevenl said:

But that was not his suggestion, was it? He claimed "The reason there’s so many gay people now is because it’s a chemical warfare operation, and I have the government documents where they said they’re going to encourage homosexuality with chemicals so that people don’t have children,”.

Well, to give him some credit. at least he's not claiming that being gay is a matter of choice or that it can be "cured" via conversion therapy.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He is  an entertainer . 

A radio and TV  presenter 

Shock jocks thrive on being outrageous  and controversial 

Strange perception. He's a loony podcast owner who made himself a mulit millionaire spreading dangerous conspiracy theories one of which has already cost him over $50 million

Edited August 7, 2022 by Bkk Brian

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13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He is  an entertainer . 

A radio and TV  presenter 

Shock jocks thrive on being outrageous  and controversial 

Does he claim just to be an entertainer?

Unlike in the case of Tucker Carlson, I didn't hear  his defense invoke the fact that nobody expects him to be telling the truth.

But what does that day about his millions of fans who do believe he's exposing vast left-wing conspiracies? Are they mentally defective?

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[Mac Mickmanus]

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Does he claim just to be an entertainer?

Unlike in the case of Tucker Carlson, I didn't hear  his defense invoke the fact that nobody expects him to be telling the truth.

But what does that day about his millions of fans who do believe he's exposing vast left-wing conspiracies? Are they mentally defective?

I have no idea about him or his audience and wouldn't even know where to go to find one of his broadcasts . 

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1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have no idea about him or his audience and wouldn't even know where to go to find one of his broadcasts . 

So why are you mitigating the nastiness of this piece of lowlife?

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So why are you mitigating the nastiness of this piece of lowlife?

Did you not see my post from earlier ?

 

 

"And so he should , his allegations about the school shootings were horrendous and its about time these people were clamped down on , its now like a competition about who can be the most extreme in their theories and people like him need to know that they need to keep within reality" 

[billd766]

49 minutes ago, stevenl said:

But that was not his suggestion, was it? He claimed "The reason there’s so many gay people now is because it’s a chemical warfare operation, and I have the government documents where they said they’re going to encourage homosexuality with chemicals so that people don’t have children,”.

Did he ever produce that evidence/documents to prove that he was right?