1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 You're citing months old stats from the New York City health department... not the U.S. or any other larger entity.

 

I provided you the U.S. total COVID deaths breakdown above, current for the whole U.S. as of August.

 

 

How many deaths no underlying conditions?

 

Pick any country

Just now, Sparktrader said:

How many deaths no underlying conditions?

 

Pick any country

It's meaningless... Underlying conditions don't automatically cause death. But when the death certificate in the U.S. says the death was caused by COVID, it generally WAS caused by COVID.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-comorbidities-coviddeaths/fact-check-why-those-with-comorbidities-are-still-counted-as-covid-19-deaths-idUSL1N2TU22X

 

"So, for COVID-19 deaths, it is not unusual to see conditions such as COPD [Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease], diabetes or dementia, that are known to result in more severe COVID infection, reported in this section. Such contributing factors are also not to be seen as competing underlying causes,” the spokesperson said.

 

“Currently, based on the death certificate data we have received, for 91% of death certificates with COVID-19 reported, COVID-19 is clearly the underlying cause. In 9% of cases, it was a reported as a significant factor contributing to death,” they added.

 

Dr Lance Waller, Professor in the Department of Biostatistics and Bioinformatics at Rollins School of Public Health at Emory University, added: “Limiting COVID death counts to only those with ONLY COVID listed would skip all of the deaths if the result of COVID ‘tips things over the edge’,” he added."

 

16 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

 

Better look again and this is not the whole tally:

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Better look again and this is not the whole tally:

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

99.6% over 20 years of age.

21 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Under-reporting is most probably the  result of the adverse event being too insignificant to be considered worthwhile. It's a pretty good bet anything really significant, such as a seizure or death, would be there front and centre.

The VAERS system is a reporting system, not a diagnostic system. I'd suggest other sources for the crusade, although it may be difficult to find anything with peer-reviewed credibility.

Let's imagine the unthinkable for one second: if it somehow turns out that you are wrong about all of this, will you have the humility and honesty to admit it?

49 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

It's a way of deriding those who raise valid concerns about the alarming explosion of VAERS reports (most of which are about very serious events). Again, absolutely ridiculous.

This is plain wrong, again your not even bothering to read the actual VAERS data and making utterly false claims why do you persist in doing this?

 

About 85-90% of the reports described mild side effects such as fever, arm soreness, or mild irritability

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html

 

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Better look again and this is not the whole tally:

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

Thanks for the link. Mostly killed older people.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

This is plain wrong, again your not even bothering to read the actual VAERS data and making utterly false claims why do you persist in doing this?

 

About 85-90% of the reports described mild side effects such as fever, arm soreness, or mild irritability

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html

 

My bad, clumsy formulation indeed. I meant to write the explosion of reports about serious events, thanks for catching this.

Several posts with misleading or false claims have been removed.

 

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

This is plain wrong, again your not even bothering to read the actual VAERS data and making utterly false claims why do you persist in doing this?

 

About 85-90% of the reports described mild side effects such as fever, arm soreness, or mild irritability

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html

 

Clumsy formulation indeed, thanks for catching that.

 

What I meant was that deaths associated with the Covid jab as reported in VAERS are currently at 30,162, which is more than triple the 9,619 deaths associated with all other vaccines combined over the last 32-years:

 

https://openvaers.com/covid-data

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The infants and children who've died from COVID were going to "die anyway" too (to use your phrase)... just not likely for many years / decades into the future had it not been for COVID.

 

 

That sucks, but they have been dying for ever from flu, we just didn't shut down the world destroying peoples lives and health over it. I shudder to think how many people died from not getting early treatment for cancers and other maladies, never mind the absolute monstrous damage done to small children and their development.

14 minutes ago, brokenbottle said:

That sucks, but they have been dying for ever from flu, we just didn't shut down the world destroying peoples lives and health over it. I shudder to think how many people died from not getting early treatment for cancers and other maladies, never mind the absolute monstrous damage done to small children and their development.

 

COVID deaths in the U.S. have vastly outnumbered seasonal flu deaths.

 

U.S. far from normal with Covid deaths 10 times higher than seasonal respiratory viruses, report says

 

Mar 7 2022

"In years past, as many as 1,150 people died weekly from respiratory viruses like flu and RSV without the implementation emergency mitigation measures. However, Covid’s death toll remains about 10 times higher with 12,000 people succumbing to the virus some weeks, according to the report. More than 9,000 people have died in the last week alone from Covid, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

 

[The current COVID death toll in the U.S. is running more than 3,000 people per week--about three times the peak annual weekly average for flu deaths in recent years (the 1,150 figure cited in the article. In other years, the flu deaths have been considerably less.]

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/07/us-far-from-normal-with-covid-deaths-10-times-higher-than-flu-rsv-report.html

 

COVID has been the third leading cause of death in the U.S. for the past two years, behind only heart disease and cancer, with flu much further down on the list.

 

 

https://www.healio.com/news/primary-care/20220705/covid19-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-2020-2021

 

And that's just based on the "official" COVID death counts, whereas the actual ones have been estimated in multiple studies to be considerably higher.

 

On 8/12/2022 at 6:20 AM, jack71 said:

Posted Thursday at 09:49 PM

Ive had 3 AZ shots and overdue for another one. I'm unsure if I should get another one. I know that it seems the covid threat is over now but thailand still has thousands of people hospitalised daily and 30 deaths a day. 

 

I can only have AZ for medical reasons. 

 

Whats your take? What are you doing?

Responding to just the OP and not any of the endless stuff that a thread about vaccination inevitably spirals into, personally I'm holding off for a while on another booster, and may end up just getting one annually as some others have also indicated.  I've had three Pfizer shots (third one was a booster in December 2021), but then got covid in March 2022.  Odds seem very high to me that it was omicron as that was the predominant strain at that time where I live, and my syptoms matched (severe runny nose for several days, some aches and one night of fever and chills).  It was very mild and overall now I think my immune system is well-prepared at this point.  And key:  right now I can travel anywhere I want to go with the card showing 2 vacc shots + booster.   If that changes then I'd go get another Pfizer booster if required for travel. Or if I had an underlying health condition that I thought warranted another booster, sticking with the same brand I've had before.   An elderly family member has had two boosters. 

 

That's just me.  As for others, I support everyone deciding on their own what is right for them, just as OP is doing.

10 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Lets deal in facts not scaring people.

 

   The median age for those who died from COVID-19 was 86.9 years (85.2 years for males, 88.4 years for females

 

 https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia-deaths-registered-31-july-2021

 

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/deaths-in-australia/contents/life-expectancy

 

Avg lifespan 83yo.

 

so covid killed people older than average lifespan

 

Thats the reality.

 

Under 50yos death rate low.

My point is Factual. Not interested in “ scaring”. Your new point Just Deflects away from my point by raising another issue. Which focuses on age. Also fine. But people with Conditions also died in relatively high numbers when Unvaxxed, not only the Very Old. 

I have lost all faith in those pretending to protect me and don't believe any of their data.

 

I have not had any serum injections and even stayed 2 weeks with a friend with corona (mild cold) and the theory of contagion prooved false.

 

To arrive at my conclusions I read books and used life experience.  A properly managed immune system leads to health and vitality.  Serums and tablets don't.

This thread has degenerated into the usual antivax and rebuttal debates that never go anywhere useful. 

 

Closed.