9 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Yes, that is THE question. I don't know any unjabbed person who has caught Covid, but on the other hand every single person I know who has caught it is either double or triple-jabbed. I'm also seeing lots of inoculated people with strange persistent coughs these days, and just not feeling/looking that great.

 

Now there is one big, obvious, difficult question here that nobody is asking but I suspect everybody is thinking it one way or another.

 

What if…

 

The truth WILL come out, pretty soon if I had a guess.

I suppose you never had a Polio jab and never caught it either...????

27 minutes ago, Will27 said:

I've had 2 Pfizer shots followed by a Moderna booster in May.

So you think a yearly booster after that is more beneficial rather than 6 months?

It's an individual decision.

I have had Sinovac and Astra Zeneca, COVID after that. Then Pfizer as a booster. I intend to get a Moderna next year, or a more up to date vaccine as they become available. Flu mutates from year to year, COVID is the same.

I don't always subscribe to the notion more is better.

2 hours ago, transam said:

No.....Try Google or WHO........????

Typical transman, runs his mouth but wont provide a link.

It's a 'No' from me. I can't be doing with the side-effects which felt as nasty as the actual Covid. I'll take my chances.

53 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Typical transman, runs his mouth but wont provide a link.

Careful......????

Just encountered this which I had not heard before:

 

"New research finds that with each repeat COVID infection – even asymptomatic infection – your risk for complications increases. These include:

stroke

heart attack

diabetes

digestive and kidney disorders

long-term cognitive impairment, including dementia

Each reinfection also carries with it the risk of long COVID or ongoing COVID symptoms that can last for weeks or months after infection."

 

https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/omicron-variant

 

Though as others have said it isn't clear that boosters prevent infection especially asymptomatic infection.

I live in the US and I don't know about boosters, but mask wearing has not gone away here.

i do not know if Aseannow will allow this recent data (vaers)  and latest information from the

CDC .     I find it really shocking...... but, if deemed not from a "reliable source"  then go ahead and delete it.   I surely would not want to break any rules

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-quarantine-distancing-covid-vaccine-injuries-vaers/

 

can this information really be labelled as disinformation ?    Just read the facts given  (vaers report and CDC info )   ......

no need to read other "comments" ....

just make your own judgements   ????

 

6 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Vaccines work, climate change is real, gravity is not just a theory.

No vaccine has a perfect safety record. Having said that, the vanishingly small number of deaths that MIGHT have been partly caused by vaccination, and trumpeted in social media as if Armageddon has arrived, pale into insignificance against the millions who have been protected from death or serious incapacitation.

 

One doesn't get to choose with science. People that accept the good bits, such as smartphones and travel in aircraft, are irrational when they reject what they think are the bad bits, such as vaccination and climate change.

Very enlightening, thank you.

6 minutes ago, rumak said:

can this information really be labelled as disinformation ?

 

Yes when taken out of context as this disinformation website does:

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/childrens-health-defense/

5 hours ago, transam said:

I suppose you never had a Polio jab and never caught it either...????

I don't know anyone who died from a stroke, had heart inflammation or had a miscarriage because of the polio shot.

Every year I take the flu jab and now every 6 months I will try to schedule a COVID booster shot. And disregard the crackpots.

9 minutes ago, rumak said:

i do not know if Aseannow will allow this recent data (vaers)  and latest information from the

CDC .     I find it really shocking...... but, if deemed not from a "reliable source"  then go ahead and delete it.   I surely would not want to break any rules

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-quarantine-distancing-covid-vaccine-injuries-vaers/

 

can this information really be labelled as disinformation ?

 

Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Health_Defense

VAERS is a voluntary health reporting system on vaccine adverse reactions, it can hardly be taken as objective data. That requires peer review, the stuff responsible scientists and medicos do. An aching arm for a couple of days would be reported as an adverse event, and VAERS would count all deaths with co-morbidities as caused by vaccination.

How many people have been saved from death or incapacitation? Those numbers are

totally ignored by conspiracy theorists, with their focus on anything adverse about vaccination. Or fluoride, or climate change.

I wish I had fluoride given to me as a child. It would have denied a succession of dentists a gold mine.

I just had my 5th vaccine.  I have never had any bad side effects from the shots.  I have seen on youtube channels of people I trust that the efficacy of these vaccines wear off more quickly with all the new variants floating around now.  A friend was told about a pfizer product taken orally (as a cure?).  Don't know anything about it but here is a picture of the box.  It is apparently available in Thailand.

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) today released new data showing a total of 1,379,438 reports of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccines were submitted between Dec. 14, 2020, and Aug. 5, 2022, to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). That’s an increase of 7,964 adverse events over the previous week.

VAERS is the primary government-funded system for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the U.S.

The data included a total of 30,162 reports of deaths — an increase of 181 over the previous week — and 251,075 serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period — up 1,959 compared with the previous week.

Of the 30,162 reported deaths, 19,462 cases are attributed to Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, 8,038 cases to Moderna, 2,613 cases to Johnson & Johnson (J&J) and no cases yet reported for Novavax.

Excluding “foreign reports” to VAERS, 854,084 adverse events, including 13,972 deaths and 87,488 serious injuries, were reported in the U.S. between Dec. 14, 2020, and Aug. 5, 2022."

 

 

after 2 plus years it seems very hard to comprehend why there is any question at all about the

"vaccines"  ( which obviously are not vaccines in reality.   changing definitions , changing safe and effective,  changing  you won't get covid,  changing the narrative )

And still some fight tooth and nail so as not to be wrong.    I applaud this website for allowing the other side to express opinions.     

 

1 minute ago, rumak said:

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) today released new data showing a total of 1,379,438 reports of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccines were submitted between Dec. 14, 2020, and Aug. 5, 2022, to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). That’s an increase of 7,964 adverse events over the previous week.

VAERS is the primary government-funded system for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the U.S.

The data included a total of 30,162 reports of deaths — an increase of 181 over the previous week — and 251,075 serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period — up 1,959 compared with the previous week.

Of the 30,162 reported deaths, 19,462 cases are attributed to Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, 8,038 cases to Moderna, 2,613 cases to Johnson & Johnson (J&J) and no cases yet reported for Novavax.

Excluding “foreign reports” to VAERS, 854,084 adverse events, including 13,972 deaths and 87,488 serious injuries, were reported in the U.S. between Dec. 14, 2020, and Aug. 5, 2022."

 

 

after 2 plus years it seems very hard to comprehend why there is any question at all about the

"vaccines"  ( which obviously are not vaccines in reality.   changing definitions , changing safe and effective,  changing  you won't get covid,  changing the narrative )

And still some fight tooth and nail so as not to be wrong.    I applaud this website for allowing the other side to express opinions.     

 

this old record.... 

 

VAERS is something any layman can contribute to, there is no scientific basis in the numbers. 

You can have the vaccine, have a headache and report it as an adverse reaction on VAERS.

 

As such, I had a sore arm, the same innate immune response to the vaccine that the vast majority had, I also had a mild temperature and felt feverish - as did most people. 

 

Then there are the deaths reported in VAERS...  ... Doreen, overweight, unhealthy, has a heart-attack and dies... heart-attack caused by her poor health. She had the vaccine 3 days before hand, loved ones blame the vaccine, file a VAERS report.....

 

Another example: in the 2017, on average 92,500 died each month.... in 2021 and 2022 many of those who make up the average monthly death statistics will have recently had a vaccine....   is the vaccine to blame for those deaths, or is the vaccine merely coincidental ????

 

 

Rumac - IF you are using VAERS reports to discredit the vaccine you have lost any credibility of your argument... there is enough information out there regarding the flaws of the VAERS system.

 

 

As someone who wishes to hold and intelligent debate on this subject you should be avoiding such flawed examples: 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Health_Defense

VAERS is a voluntary health reporting system on vaccine adverse reactions, it can hardly be taken as objective data. That requires peer review, the stuff responsible scientists and medicos do. An aching arm for a couple of days would be reported as an adverse event, and VAERS would count all deaths with co-morbidities as caused by vaccination.

How many people have been saved from death or incapacitation? Those numbers are

totally ignored by conspiracy theorists, with their focus on anything adverse about vaccination. Or fluoride, or climate change.

I wish I had fluoride given to me as a child. It would have denied a succession of dentists a gold mine.

I noted this about VAERS in April 2022:

 

The total number of deaths associated with the Covid-19 vaccines in the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is 26,396, which is nearly triple the 9,619 deaths associated with all the other vaccines combined over the last 32 years.

 

There have been a total of 1,205,753 reports associated with the covid-19 vaccines in VAERS, including:

 

•145,781 hospitalizations

•125,791 urgent care

•48,852 permanently disabled

•41,320 severe allergic reactions

•37,579 myocarditis/pericarditis

•26,396 deaths

•14,949 bell’s palsy

•13,527 heart attacks

•13,224 shingles

•9,533 anaphylaxis

•6,256 thrombocytopenia

•4,423 miscarriages

 

50 percent of deaths occured within 48 hours of getting vaccinated.

8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Vaccines work, climate change is real, gravity is not just a theory.

Some vaccines work, but covid vaccine doesn't stop people catching covid. 

 

Climate change is real, but there's nothing any government can do to alter its effects. 

 

Gravity is not just a theory, actually it is just a theory as it doesn't hold up with distant objects. (if it did we wouldn't need MOND or dark matter discussions). 

 

Back on topic, they fooled me when they said I would need COVID vaccine to go shopping, they won't be fooling me again with monthly boosters. 

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Some vaccines work, but covid vaccine doesn't stop people catching covid. 

 

Climate change is real, but there's nothing any government can do to alter its effects. 

 

Gravity is not just a theory, actually it is just a theory as it doesn't hold up with distant objects. (if it did we wouldn't need MOND or dark matter discussions). 

 

Back on topic, they fooled me when they said I would need it to go shopping, they won't be fooling me again with monthly boosters. 

COVID vaccines work in terms of reducing ICU admissions, deaths, and the incidence of long COVID. The data is there for everyone to see.

 

Gravity works very well as a reality if one tries stepping off the balcony of a fourteenth floor condo anywhere in Thailand.

 

I agree frequent boosters are unnecessary, which is why my next one is in February 2023.

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

I don't know anyone who died from a stroke, had heart inflammation or had a miscarriage because of the polio shot.

Nor do I, but folk have died from a Polio vax, rare, but fact.....

 

https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/lab-report/how-polio-vaccine-virus-occasionally-becomes-dangerous

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Nor do I, but folk have died from a Polio vax, rare, but fact.....

 

https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/lab-report/how-polio-vaccine-virus-occasionally-becomes-dangerous

Yes, there have been cases of vaccine-induced polio.

 

Comparing the Covid and Polio shots is irrelevant though as their makeup is completely different.

8 hours ago, mania said:

Ive had 1 jab the J&J

The only reason I took it is at the time it seemed like none would ever be allowed to fly into Thailand again without it.

 

If I could now suck that <deleted> out of myself I would

Why, what are you afraid of? Are you paranoid?

An argumentative personal attack post has been removed 

15 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Yes, there have been cases of vaccine-induced polio.

 

Comparing the Covid and Polio shots is irrelevant though as their makeup is completely different.

Yes, with C19 and the devastation it was causing, the Pharmaceuticals were asked to sort something out SAP, which they did, and saved many thousands of lives. 

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes, with C19 and the devastation it was causing, the Pharmaceuticals were asked to sort something out SAP, which they did, and saved many thousands of lives. 

We are talking about companies which have paid billions in compensation over the years for making false and misleading claims regarding the safety of their products.

 

Such leniency towards them is remarkable, and a little bit disturbing.

 

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/analysis/biggest-pharmaceutical-lawsuits/#:~:text=Pfizer – %242.3bn,-Pfizer paid approximately&text=Pfizer and its subsidiary Pharmacia,company's fraudulent practices in 2009.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

We are talking about companies which have paid billions in compensation over the years for making false and misleading claims regarding the safety of their products.

 

Such leniency towards them is remarkable, and a little bit disturbing.

 

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/analysis/biggest-pharmaceutical-lawsuits/#:~:text=Pfizer – %242.3bn,-Pfizer paid approximately&text=Pfizer and its subsidiary Pharmacia,company's fraudulent practices in 2009.

I read about a lady who was paid zillions for getting cancer using Johnsons Baby Powder.....My mum, and near everyone used the stuff, strange that...????

Everyone is screaming for a fix for something, but if that something goes wrong, the screaming goes the other way for cash...

Just look at Viagra, developed for something else, but has helped millions of guys out, but wait, how many have died from taking it, quite a few, so do you want Viagra stopped, and Pattaya go short of customers...????  ...............????

22 minutes ago, transam said:

I read about a lady who was paid zillions for getting cancer using Johnsons Baby Powder.....My mum, and near everyone used the stuff, strange that...????

Everyone is screaming for a fix for something, but if that something goes wrong, the screaming goes the other way for cash...

Just look at Viagra, developed for something else, but has helped millions of guys out, but wait, how many have died from taking it, quite a few, so do you want Viagra stopped, and Pattaya go short of customers...????  ...............????

So the underlying rationale here is you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. That's fine as long as nobody is coerced into taking the risk of being one of the broken eggs, or told only one in a zillion eggs will be broken before the omelette is actually made. I think this has been the fundamental issue all along. Actually there is a term for that: informed consent.

15 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

So the underlying rationale here is you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. That's fine as long as nobody is coerced into taking the risk of being one of the broken eggs, or told only one in a zillion eggs will be broken before the omelette is actually made. I think this has been the fundamental issue all along. Actually there is a term for that: informed consent.

Every operation I had in the UK required my signature because of risk...

An incurable disease I had (now in remission) was controlled by medication, my consultant told me there was a drug which would be of great help, but, it has a mortality risk. A drug for those where it was worth the risk.

So I skipped that one....????

On 8/12/2022 at 3:21 PM, hotandsticky said:

 

 

So you don't know any unvaccinated people who died then?

 

 

There were a lot.

 No none at all. As I said she handled it easily

2 hours ago, mania said:

 No none at all. As I said she handled it easily

Whoa!   Cracking blinkers you have there......

 

 

None so blind as those who are too ignorant to see.

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/chef-francis-goncalves-covid-vaccine-b1899900.html

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-58080116

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/30/life-tragic-death-john-eyers-fitness-fanatic-who-refused-covid-vaccine

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/09/1035489298/tiktok-covid-vaccination-megan-blankenbiller-hospital

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/18/texas-couple-declined-covid-19-vaccine-died-orphans/

 

https://theconversation.com/should-we-tell-stories-of-vaccine-sceptics-who-have-died-of-covid-165846

On 8/13/2022 at 3:23 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Rumac - IF you are using VAERS reports to discredit the vaccine you have lost any credibility of your argument... there is enough information out there regarding the flaws of the VAERS system.