Enoch Powell, he wasnt wrong in his forecast !

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, ivor bigun said:

you mean the one always begging for money as so few read it THE GUARDIAN.

The Guardian is one of the journalism award winning papers I read.

Care to share where you get your news?

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

17 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

I wont even bother to answer why ,look in the papers ,dancing for gay pride ,taking the knee ,wearing rainbow painted fingernails ,on and on ,the police are no longer fit for purpose.

There has been a change .

LBTG pride march attendees have now stated that LBTG Police officers are now longer welcome at their pride marches and shouldn't attend this all inclusive gathering 

[bert bloggs]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A terrible crime, but not representative of the behaviour of the millions of people who did not commit it.

They also raided a convienence store just before attacking her stealing all kinds of stuff from the shelves , animals .

[proton]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Guardian is one of the journalism award winning papers I read.

Care to share where you get your news?

 

You read it, almost nobody else does, where did it get an award from - the kremlin? It used to be reasonable, I bought it myself in the 60's, now it's an extremist woke rag for the chattering middle class clueless brigade. Amusingly the Manchester Guardian supported slavery and the confederacy !

Edited September 2, 2022 by proton

[metisdead]

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[Mac Mickmanus]

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No, I do not agree with Enoch Powell’s views.

 

The basis of restrictions he wanted was race, he was a racist, why would I agree with a racist?

Enoch Powell wanted immigration restrictions on citizens of all former colonies , regardless of the race of people .

   Do you agree with Enoch Powell that people from the former British colonies should have travel restrictions placed on them when going to the UK or should all the people from former British colonies be allowed to freely enter the UK unrestricted 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Enoch Powell wanted immigration restrictions on citizens of all former colonies , regardless of the race of people .

   Do you agree with Enoch Powell that people from the former British colonies should have travel restrictions placed on them when going to the UK or should all the people from former British colonies be allowed to freely enter the UK unrestricted 

I don't think they ever were. I've never had any right of residence in the UK as an Australian.

[proton]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Enoch Powell wanted immigration restrictions on citizens of all former colonies , regardless of the race of people .

   Do you agree with Enoch Powell that people from the former British colonies should have travel restrictions placed on them when going to the UK or should all the people from former British colonies be allowed to freely enter the UK unrestricted 

Sadly anyone turning up is allowed to stay and put up in 3 star hotels and given 40 quid a week and then looked after for life, this is why they pay 4-10k for a place in a boat! 

[proton]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

I don't think they ever were. I've never had any right of residence in the UK as an Australian.

Pre 1962 you did have

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

I don't think they ever were. I've never had any right of residence in the UK as an Australian.

Did you listen to the interview ?

He answered that in the interview 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Enoch Powell wanted immigration restrictions on citizens of all former colonies , regardless of the race of people .

   Do you agree with Enoch Powell that people from the former British colonies should have travel restrictions placed on them when going to the UK or should all the people from former British colonies be allowed to freely enter the UK unrestricted 

That was not his argument.

 

As I have commented before, at the time of his statements immigration to the Uk was predominantly, by a wide margin, from the Caribbean.

 

He knew who he was referring to and so did those listening to him.

 

His defenders and admirers certainly knew.

 

I’ll say this again, so you don’t have to come back at a different angle.

 

I am not in agreement with Enoch Powell on any matters of immigration, race, race relations and his predictions for British society.

 

But I don’t discount him entirely, his Latin scholarship was remarkable.

Edited September 2, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I don't think they ever were. I've never had any right of residence in the UK as an Australian.

Briefly, he made the speech because citizens of the former British colonies were allowed to enter the UK and live in the UK unrestricted and without needing a Visa and he wanted there to be regulations , because British people were not allowed to go and live in their Countries . 

   Cannot believe you didnt know that , that is what the whole speech was about 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Briefly, he made the speech because citizens of the former British colonies were allowed to enter the UK and live in the UK unrestricted and without needing a Visa and he wanted there to be regulations , because British people were not allowed to go and live in their Countries . 

   Cannot believe you didnt know that , that is what the whole speech was about 

He was more concerned that the black man would get the whip hand. I doubt very much that Powell was merely campaigning for reciprocal visa rights. One always knows when the speaker knows they are lying because they need to resort to dog whistles like Powell did.

[proton]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That was not his argument.

 

As I have commented before, at the time of his statements immigration to the Uk was predominantly, by a wide margin, from the Caribbean.

 

He knew who he was referring to and so did those listening to him.

 

His defenders and admirers certainly knew.

Powell mainly argued against 50k dependents a year being allowed in, that would be an amazingly low figure today. Here is a question, how many  immigrants do you think should be allowed in every year, and do you agree illegals with no valid asylum claims should be sent back?

Edited September 2, 2022 by proton

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

He was more concerned that the black man would get the whip hand. I doubt very much that Powell was merely campaigning for reciprocal visa rights. One always knows when the speaker knows they are lying because they need to resort to dog whistles like Powell did.

And it’s a whistle that’s still getting their attention.

[proton]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

He was more concerned that the black man would get the whip hand. I doubt very much that Powell was merely campaigning for reciprocal visa rights. One always knows when the speaker knows they are lying because they need to resort to dog whistles like Powell did.

wrong as usual, he was quoting what a constituent had said to him

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, proton said:

Powell mainly argued against 50k dependents a year being allowed in, that would be an amazingly low figure today. Here is a question, how many do immigrants do you think should be allowed in every year, and do you agree illegals with no valid asylum claims should be sent back?

My views on immigration are not the topic of discussion.

 

You will not make this discussion about me.

 

Refer to the top of the thread to discover what topic of discussion actually is.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

I doubt very much that Powell was merely campaigning for reciprocal visa rights.

I didn't say he as campaigning for that , he wanted the UK to have the same rules as other Countries had

[ozimoron]

Just now, proton said:

wrong as usual, he was quoting what a constituent had said to him

because he clearly endorsed what the constituent said.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Briefly, he made the speech because citizens of the former British colonies were allowed to enter the UK and live in the UK unrestricted and without needing a Visa and he wanted there to be regulations , because British people were not allowed to go and live in their Countries . 

   Cannot believe you didnt know that , that is what the whole speech was about 

He made a speech singling out immigrants that he thought would win him Power.

 

He’s not the first to do so, he’ll not be the last.

[ozimoron]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

I didn't say he as campaigning for that , he wanted the UK to have the same rules as other Countries had

Yes, in relation to residency and working rights aka visas. I don't believe for an instant that Powell wanted British to have the right to go cut sugar cane in the Carribean.

[proton]

Just now, ozimoron said:

because he clearly endorsed what the constituent said.

He was expressing the fears of his constituents, pity nobody took any notice.. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, proton said:

He was expressing the fears of his constituents, pity nobody took any notice.. 

People took plenty of notice.

[proton]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He made a speech singling out immigrants that he thought would win him Power.

 

He’s not the first to do so, he’ll not be the last.

He was the last person to be interested in power, he knew full well what would happen by telling the truth, he was a true statesman.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 I don't believe for an instant that Powell wanted British to have the right to go cut sugar cane in the Carribean.

There is actually no one else in the World who believes that either, so, you aren't alone in that opinion

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, proton said:

He was the last person to be interested in power, he knew full well what would happen by telling the truth, he was a true statesman.

I’m not willing to suspend the necessary amount of credulity to swallow that nonsense.

[3NUMBAS]

alf garnett was better than he ,bbc never shows his progs

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

alf garnett was better than he ,bbc never shows his progs

Alf Garnett was parody, here on this forum we have the real thing.

[brewsterbudgen]

11 hours ago, proton said:

Sadly anyone turning up is allowed to stay and put up in 3 star hotels and given 40 quid a week and then looked after for life, this is why they pay 4-10k for a place in a boat! 

If only that was true! I'd put my wife in a boat!

[bert bloggs]

See the piece in the paper today,road rage black woman with a shovel opens the door of a car and attacks the white guy,then another black guy threatens a person filming it ,lawless Britain.