Enoch Powell, he wasnt wrong in his forecast !

[ivor bigun]

also in todays paper a woman complained about all the people peeing in her garden at the Noting hill debacle ,all in the pics are guess what colour ,it was such o lovely carnival in the 60s and 70s.

[transam]

16 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Weeeell, you are the one with this Brigadier/MBE fixation.

No fixation here, and quoting a man and his credentials from history has nothing to do with age.....

 

Unless you are about 8 years old, that is...????

[transam]

14 hours ago, chalawaan said:

Immigrant Indian Priti Patel deporting Afghans to Rawanda is pure Monty Python, without the laughs. I'd rather have an Afghani living next door to me than that cow!

Patel has a job in the UK government, she has that job because she was deemed qualified for it, regardless of her roots.

 

Now, anyone stating what you have just stated does sound racist to me.

The UK has many nationalities, all doing different jobs, we do not segregate or demonise because of folks roots.....

 

Please remember that..... ????

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Patel has a job in the UK government, she has that job because she was deemed qualified for it, regardless of her roots.

 

Now, anyone stating what you have just stated does sound racist to me.

The UK has many nationalities, all doing different jobs, we do not segregate or demonise because of folks roots.....

 

Please remember that..... ????

Is that true?

 

Sadiq Khan says he has received at least 233,000 "explicitly racist or racialised social media messages" since being elected mayor of London in 2016.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-61403035

[Rimmer]

An inflammatory post has been removed, please keep it down, we dont want to have to close this topic as well do we?

[transam]

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No, I do not agree with Enoch Powell’s views.

 

The basis of restrictions he wanted was race, he was a racist, why would I agree with a racist?

 

 

 

 

A wild assumption, you have been brainwashed somewhere along the line that those who want to take care of immigration are racist. Answer a couple of questions.

 

1. Brigadier Enoch Powell MBE was 100% right in his thoughts, I agree with him 100%, tell me then, as I live in Asia with an Asian wife and family, am I a racist...?

2. What immigration laws were introduced by Brigadier Enoch Powell MBE thoughts, advice..?

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

A wild assumption, you have been brainwashed somewhere along the line that those who want to take care of immigration are racist. Answer a couple of questions.

 

1. Brigadier Enoch Powell MBE was 100% right in his thoughts, I agree with him 100%, tell me then, as I live in Asia with an Asian wife and family, am I a racist...?

2. What immigration laws were introduced by Brigadier Enoch Powell MBE thoughts, advice..?

You claim he's right without a supporting argument. You claim he had to pass laws to be a racist. Just a waste of time.

[transam]

13 hours ago, ozimoron said:

People took plenty of notice.

Yes, those with sense and vision.....????

[ozimoron]

Just now, transam said:

Yes, those with sense and vision.....????

Yes, his own party. He never was in a psoition to pass laws because of his racism. Too much even for the Tories.

 

Mr Heath last night dismissed Mr Enoch Powell from the Shadow Cabinet. It became clear that the members of Mr Heath's Shadow Cabinet were unanimous that Mr Powell would have to go. Several Front Bench members let it be known that they would resign if Mr Powell remained.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/1968/apr/22/mainsection.ianaitken

 

 

[transam]

35 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Is that true?

 

Sadiq Khan says he has received at least 233,000 "explicitly racist or racialised social media messages" since being elected mayor of London in 2016.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-61403035

I would suggest most folk in the limelight get that sort of stuff, BUT, he has made a complete cock-up as the Mare of London, go figure...

[transam]

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You claim he's right without a supporting argument. You claim he had to pass laws to be a racist. Just a waste of time.

I think you are getting confused, try reading my posts s l o w l y...????

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

I would suggest most folk in the limelight get that sort of stuff, BUT, he has made a complete cock-up as the Mare of London, go figure...

His perceived performance by tories is irrelevant. Your claim that the UK isn't racist towards its public figures is not true.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Yes, his own party. He never was in a psoition to pass laws because of his racism. Too much even for the Tories.

 

Mr Heath last night dismissed Mr Enoch Powell from the Shadow Cabinet. It became clear that the members of Mr Heath's Shadow Cabinet were unanimous that Mr Powell would have to go. Several Front Bench members let it be known that they would resign if Mr Powell remained.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/1968/apr/22/mainsection.ianaitken

 

 

The Guardian.......????

 

You have missed out he was right, we now have major immigration problems, even towns have become foreign enclaves, and dare I mention the low-life from the EU that have bolstered the UK prison population, which thankfully will now burn itself out..... 

 

[transam]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

His perceived performance by tories is irrelevant. Your claim that the UK isn't racist towards its public figures is not true.

I never claimed anything like that, stop dramatising my input, individuals can think what they like, same as you and me, ol' chap....????

Please take a little more time reading my posts....???? 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

The Guardian.......????

 

You have missed out he was right, we now have major immigration problems, even towns have become foreign enclaves, and dare I mention the low-life from the EU that have bolstered the UK prison population, which thankfully will now burn itself out..... 

 

Was there something non factual about the article? Try to debate in good faith and cut the racism.

[transam]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Was there something non factual about the article? Try to debate in good faith and cut the racism.

What racism from me, show me.....?   ????

You have been reading another's stuff for too long, ol' chap.. ????

[bert bloggs]

See the piece in the paper today,road rage black woman with a shovel opens the door of a car and attacks the white guy,then another black guy threatens a person filming it ,lawless Britain.

[bert bloggs]

Dont know about recism due to colour,the UK is being overun by Albanian and Rumainian gangster scum  my daughte lives in a very quiet town ,but many many of these guys have moved there,for the first time in well forever,there is now violence.

They are white,scum are scum.

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

See the piece in the paper today,road rage black woman with a shovel opens the door of a car and attacks the white guy,then another black guy threatens a person filming it ,lawless Britain.

 

5 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Dont know about recism due to colour,the UK is being overun by Albanian and Rumainian gangster scum  my daughte lives in a very quiet town ,but many many of these guys have moved there,for the first time in well forever,there is now violence.

They are white,scum are scum.

If there are issues with crime it isn't because of the perpetrator's race unless it's a hate crime.

[transam]

One thing I have learned from this thread is, some here don't know what a racist is, the word is being used as a get out card, and is very naughty. ????

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

A wild assumption, you have been brainwashed somewhere along the line that those who want to take care of immigration are racist. Answer a couple of questions.

 

1. Brigadier Enoch Powell MBE was 100% right in his thoughts, I agree with him 100%, tell me then, as I live in Asia with an Asian wife and family, am I a racist...?

2. What immigration laws were introduced by Brigadier Enoch Powell MBE thoughts, advice..?

Whether or not you are a racist is irrelevant to the topic of discussion, and calling you a racist would be in clear breach of  the Forum’s rules - I have repeatedly stated I draw the line at calling other forum members racists.

 

So you solicit an irrelevant answer that may me precluded by the forum rules - I’m no dumb enough to walk into such an obvious trap.

 

The topic of discussion is not ‘laws enacted as a result of Enoch Powell’s racist views’, your question is an obvious strawman, feel free to play such games by yourself.

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Whether or not you are a racist is irrelevant to the topic of discussion, and calling you a racist would be in clear breach of  the Forum’s rules - I have repeatedly stated I draw the line at calling other forum members racists.

 

So you solicit an irrelevant answer that may me precluded by the forum rules - I’m no dumb enough to walk into such an obvious trap.

 

The topic of discussion is not ‘laws enacted as a result of Enoch Powell’s racist views’, your question is an obvious strawman, feel free to play such games by yourself.

 

So again no answer to two simple questions, but that's OK..????

 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

So again no answer to two simple questions, but that's OK..????

 

No, again I refuse to be baited by you into breaking forum rules.

 

 

[Rimmer]

Off topic baiting posts invoking the racism card have been removed:

 

Enoch Powell, he wasnt wrong in his forecast !

 

 

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

No, again I refuse to be baited by you into breaking forum rules.

 

 

Baiting you is the last thing on my mind, I want answers from you, which are being answered with excuses. ..........????

[proton]

55 minutes ago, transam said:

One thing I have learned from this thread is, some here don't know what a racist is, the word is being used as a get out card, and is very naughty. ????

 

 

 

 I asked a black lesbian activist in the 80's how she defined racism (they almost never can) she said- it's what ever we say it is!

Like transphobia and it's mate islamophobia these are just words to stop and demonise anyone being critical or even talking about the facts of immigration and Islam and what effects these have had on the UK.

Powell drastically underestimated how the numbers would explode, but anyone who cannot admit his prediction of what would happen coming true must have their head in the sand. What he said was correct and still no politician wants to even talk about it, or do anything.

[transam]

1 minute ago, proton said:

 I asked a black lesbian activist in the 80's how she defined racism (they almost never can) she said- it's what ever we say it is! Like Transphobia and it's mate islamophobia these are just words to stop and demonise anyone being critical or even talking about the facts of immigration and Islam and what effects these have had on the UK.

Powell drastically underestimated how the numbers would explode, but anyone who cannot admit his prediction of what would happen coming true must have their head in the sand. What he said was correct and still no politician wants to even talk about it, or do anything.

Absolute, fact....

But as we have seen here, the racist card is used by those who cannot think outside their weee box. ????

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

His perceived performance by tories is irrelevant. Your claim that the UK isn't racist towards its public figures is not true.

In what way is the UK "racist towards its public figures " ?

 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, proton said:

 I asked a black lesbian activist in the 80's how she defined racism (they almost never can) she said- it's what ever we say it is!

Like transphobia and it's mate islamophobia these are just words to stop and demonise anyone being critical or even talking about the facts of immigration and Islam and what effects these have had on the UK.

Powell drastically underestimated how the numbers would explode, but anyone who cannot admit his prediction of what would happen coming true must have their head in the sand. What he said was correct and still no politician wants to even talk about it, or do anything.

That was an awfully fortuitous conversation you had all those years ago, but just as well you remembered it when it would come in handy.

 

Well done you.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, transam said:

One thing I have learned from this thread is, some here don't know what a racist is, the word is being used as a get out card, and is very naughty. ????

Well that's because the meaning given in the dictionary is a simplified explanation of a word full of complexities.

 

I like this quote:-

Someone is either a racist and therefore an inhuman monster or they're an actual complex human being and therefore by definition incapable of being racist.