British man dead, second seriously injured after motorbike collision with a garbage truck

[snoop1130]

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A British man died while another British man has sustained serious injuries after their motorbike collided with a garbage truck on Samui Island.

 

Emergency responders were notified of the accident at 1:00 A.M. today (September 1st) at the entrance of the Koh Samui District Prison.

 

The rescue workers arrived at the scene to find a damaged motorbike near a garbage truck owned by the Koh Samui Municipality. Under the motorbike seat rescue staff stated they found cans and bottles of beer.

 

Full Story: https://thepattayanews.com/2022/09/01/one-british-man-dead-second-seriously-injured-after-motorbike-collision-with-a-garbage-truck-on-samui-island/

 

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[steven100]

oh dear ... poor guy, what a terrible way to go ... killed by a garbage truck.

I wonder were they very drunk or speeding ...  garbage trucks usually have a flashing light or they are very well lit up. 

 

RIP ..

[vangrop]

The rescue workers arrived at the scene to find a damaged motorbike near a garbage truck owned by the Koh Samui Municipality. Under the motorbike seat rescue staff stated they found cans and bottles of beer.

 

Here we go again. The 2 Farangs were obviously drunken so they are the culprits, Van driver innocent, Case closed no further investigation needed.

[Iamfalang]

10 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

their motorbike collided

we've said it 1 million times.  Please, motorbikes in Thailand are super, super, super dangerous; especially if you are old.    

 

If you must, then you must and then just take the best precautions you can.   I understand bicycles, because that's a little bit of exercise; however, also dangerous.

 

Luckily for me, the first time I got picked up on a motorbike we crashed after about three minutes.   Car cut us off, and I jumped off the back, no harm.   After that day, never got on another one.  That was 6 years ago.   Many people have been mad I won't get on one, whatever, it's my life.  

 

If there is a way you can avoid being on one, consider it................

[Bobtheblob]

Rip, but have to think why they searching under the seat and stating they found alcohol before tests have been conducted.

[Thunglom]

1 hour ago, vangrop said:

The 2 Farangs were obviously drunken so they are the culprits,

This amateur apportioning of blame needs to stop. 

It has nothing to do with road safety and is counter-productive. These comments are made by people who have no details of what happened but just love to make assumptions.

The issues here are not to blame people but to find out what happened and how it can be prevented from happening again.

There are a lot more factors that need to be taken into account than simplistically blaming a drunk for everything.

What about emergency services? were they quick and well equipped? did they receive car on the spot?

What was the road surface like? What about street lighting and vehicle lighting, what were the road and weather conditions,

Was the scene of the accident analysed by a trained crash crew? - where is the crash report.

In all likelihood we will never know, we'll just get a quick off-the-cuff hypothesis from the local cop who is trying to justify his job.

Until this attitude amongst the authorities, the public and expats changes there will be no improvement in road safety in Thailand.

 

[Thunglom]

55 minutes ago, Bobtheblob said:

Rip, but have to think why they searching under the seat and stating they found alcohol before tests have been conducted.

Because the RTP are not trained to deal with RTIs.

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, Bobtheblob said:

Rip, but have to think why they searching under the seat and stating they found alcohol before tests have been conducted.

Maybe trying to suss out how a bike with two-up drove up the ass of a huge, stinking garbage truck at one o'clock in the morning on a holiday island?

[NE1]

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Under the motorbike seat rescue staff stated they found cans and bottles of beer.

Obviously they hadn't drunk them  , cos' nobody I know puts empties under their seats.

[Thunglom]

"Obviously they hadn't drunk them  , cos' nobody I know puts empties under their seats"

 

So what???

[phetphet]

Isn't that prison a bit out of the way? On the quieter side of the island? Funny place to be at 1 am. Maybe staying in a villa in the area. Hope the survivor has good insurance. 

 

[worgeordie]

"The garbage truck driver, Mr. Attaphon Wichean, 42, was waiting at the scene and told the Phuket Express, “I was turning in to a side road before I heard the crash. I’m not sure what exactly happened.”

 

Maybe what happened is you failed to indicate you were turning ,and this is why the

motorbike crashed into you.

 

regards worgeordie

[whereyougo]

3 hours ago, vangrop said:

The rescue workers arrived at the scene to find a damaged motorbike near a garbage truck owned by the Koh Samui Municipality. Under the motorbike seat rescue staff stated they found cans and bottles of beer.

 

Here we go again. The 2 Farangs were obviously drunken so they are the culprits, Van driver innocent, Case closed no further investigation needed.

Loads if idiot drunk farang bike riders in pattaya and never seen no speeding garbage trucks so yeah it ain't rocket science DO NOT DRIVE DRUNK!!!! 

 

 

[JeffersLos]

3 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Under the motorbike seat rescue staff stated they found cans and bottles of beer.

Check in the truck cab for M-150 bottles of Lao Khao.

 

 

 

Are they the workers by the truck in their health and safety gear.

[peterfranks]

18 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Maybe what happened is you failed to indicate you were turning ,and this is why the

motorbike crashed into you.

Thanks for quickly concluding the investigation sir. The case is now closed, and we can move on to the next one.

[The Hammer2021]

2 hours ago, Bobtheblob said:

Rip, but have to think why they searching under the seat and stating they found alcohol before tests have been conducted.

Looking for ID papers, insurance, log book

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, Bobtheblob said:

Rip, but have to think why they searching under the seat and stating they found alcohol before tests have been conducted.

Possibly because one is dead and other seriously injured?

 

At 1 AM, they were on a main road away from the main population centres and carrying alcohol. What were the chances that they were drunk and speeding?

[The Hammer2021]

Lucky the two possibly drunk farang didn't kill a couple of  local kids.

Do we have a moral obligation  to report drunk drivers  before they hurt  themselves  or others? Should bars report possible drunk drivers to police when they are leaving the bar?

Is there  an argument for curtailing the motor cycle rent business especially  to foreigners often partying, drunk, drugged and on the  wrong  side of the road. Limit them to e scooters which  are still fun but less dangerous and less machismo

[KIngsofisaan]

3 hours ago, vangrop said:

The rescue workers arrived at the scene to find a damaged motorbike near a garbage truck owned by the Koh Samui Municipality. Under the motorbike seat rescue staff stated they found cans and bottles of beer.

 

Here we go again. The 2 Farangs were obviously drunken so they are the culprits, Van driver innocent, Case closed no further investigation needed.

Obviously you were not there and have no clue what happened.

 

Pretty obvious!

 

[worgeordie]

33 minutes ago, peterfranks said:

Thanks for quickly concluding the investigation sir. The case is now closed, and we can move on to the next one.

Please read carefully ,if you can ,what i wrote , I said MAYBE , case far from closed,

if the driver of motorbike recovers then we will MAYBE nearer to the truth....

regards worgeordie

[Thunglom]

24 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Possibly because one is dead and other seriously injured?

 

At 1 AM, they were on a main road away from the main population centres and carrying alcohol. What were the chances that they were drunk and speeding?

the bike appears to have turned off the main road it is on the road to the dump.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

the bike appears to have turned off the main road it is on the road to the dump.

We don't have enough evidence to really know but

 

"I was turning in to a side road" implies that he was still on the main road. Also, the sign is most likely located on the main road. The motorcyclist has run into the back of a turning truck. Death and serious injury imply speed. If he had just turned into a side road then there wouldn't be the speed factor required to result in that outcome. Maybe, but that's what I think happened.

[jak2002003]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

We don't have enough evidence to really know but

 

"I was turning in to a side road" implies that he was still on the main road. Also, the sign is most likely located on the main road. The motorcyclist has run into the back of a turning truck. Death and serious injury imply speed. If he had just turned into a side road then there wouldn't be the speed factor required to result in that outcome. Maybe, but that's what I think happened.

What is the rubbish lorry did not indicate it was turning...or nearly missed the turning and suddenly braked?

 

No one knows here ..as we were not there 

 

As for alcohol under the seat....so they had not drunk it !!!!!!  You can not get drink from having full bottles of unopened beer.  

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

What is the rubbish lorry did not indicate it was turning...or nearly missed the turning and suddenly braked?

 

No one knows here ..as we were not there 

 

As for alcohol under the seat....so they had not drunk it !!!!!!  You can not get drink from having full bottles of unopened beer.  

The truck may not have had an indicator light but typically that big white light you see in the photo stays on. The alcohol found only confirms they are drinkers. That and the time of night are circumstantial evidence they had been drinking. There are not too many other plausible reasons why a motorcycle would run into the back of a near stationary truck with enough force to kill the passenger. Of course, none of this is conclusive but Occam's razor leads to that conclusion.

Edited September 1, 2022 by ozimoron

[Thunglom]

30 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

We don't have enough evidence to really know but

 

"I was turning in to a side road" implies that he was still on the main road. Also, the sign is most likely located on the main road. The motorcyclist has run into the back of a turning truck. Death and serious injury imply speed. If he had just turned into a side road then there wouldn't be the speed factor required to result in that outcome. Maybe, but that's what I think happened.

More amateur crash analyses.

 

Your premise is wrong - you can die on a motorbike at a stand still. Just try standing up and fall facedown onto the ground with a hat or protecting your fall.

The bike is on the corner of the junction just inside the road - on the wrong side.

The truck has stopped on the side road.

 

I think a plausible explanation is that the motorcycle was attempting to overtake the truck without realising it was turning right. If they had been drunk they may have actually tried to turn into the right side road as they couldn't react fast enough.

 

The problem is no-one will ever know because there will be no crash report.

 

In UK/EU every rod accident is calibrated and stored for future reference....Thailand has no such system so integer learns.

 

I CAN say that the roads on Samui are very badly surfaced, marked and lit - the surfaces ae frequently coated in loose sand - and at night it wouldn't be clear what is happening - regardless of how much they had or hadn't drunk.

We don't actually know if he hit the back head on - I would suggest that the bike more likely ran under the back of the truck at an angle once it had already completed most of the turn.

 

(I know this junction, I used to live near there I know this road from campaigning about the rubbish management).

I think it's remarkable that this has received publicity worldwide yet te figures for the numbers of foreigners killed in places like Samui are simply not gathered let alone the figures for serious and minor injuries ... if fact they don't even do that for any crashes.

 

Why people talk about alcohol under the seat being un-drunk - that's pure speculation - one could also speculate they had been drinking all afternoon and decided to take some home so they could carry on drinking - it had no bearing on the matter at all - except it indicates that one or both of them may drink alcohol.

If the truck was coming from Chaweng it was turning right.

The motorbike is on the right hand side of the entrance to the side road. poor lighting and poor road surface (was it wet?) would mean that a plausible explanation would be that the bike was overtaking a right turning vehicle.

the sad thing is we will NEVER know for sure and the death toll on Thai roads will continue.

 

Edited September 1, 2022 by Thunglom

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Thunglom said:

More amateur coach analyses.

 

You can die on a motorbike at a stand still.

Yes, but that's not the more plausible likelihood is it? It's far less plausible, isn't it? My post was about the balance of probabilities, that should have been clear.

 

1 minute ago, Thunglom said:

 

Just try staying up and fall facedown onto the ground with a het or protecting your fall.

the bike is on the corner of the junction just inside the road - on the wrong side.

The truck has stopped on the side road.

 

I think a plausible explanation is that the motorcycle was attempting to overtake the truck without realising it was turning right. If they had been drunk they may have actually tried to turn into the side road as they couldn't react fast enough.

 

The problem is no-one will ever know because they will be no crash report.

 

In UK/EU every rod accident is calibrated and stored for future reference....Thailand has no such system so integer learns.

 

I CAN say that the roads on Samui are very badly surfaced, marked and lit - an at night it wouldn't be clear what is happening - regardless of how much they had or hadn't drunk.

We don't actually know if he hit the back head on - I would suggest that the bike more likely run under the back of the truck that had already completed most of the turn.

 

(I used to live near there I know this road from campaigning about the rubbish management).

 

 

Why people talk about alcohol under the seat being un-drunk - that's pure speculation - one could also speculate they had been drinking all afternoon and decided to take some home so they could carry on drinking - it had no bearing on the matter at all - except it indicates that one or both of them may drink alcohol.

If the truck was coming from Chaweng it was turning right.

The motorbike is on the right hand side of the entrance to the side road. poor lighting and poor road surface (was it wet?) would mean that a plausible explanation would be that the bike was overtaking a right turning vehicle

 

 

[Thunglom]

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Yes, but that's not the more plausible likelihood is it? It's far less plausible, isn't it? My post was about the balance of probabilities, that should have been clear.

 

 

No it wasn't clear and you are accepting the evidence of the driver s fact - "turning" implies an action that goes from the main road to thesis road. The truck is on the side road in the photo. Your premise of speed is totally insupportable by citing death as an indicator. I think that rather looking objecy=tively at the evidence available you are trying to make up a story that fits in with the prejudgements you already hold.

 

I'm just suggesting variations on what may have happened, I'm try to demonstrate the futility of this. by giving you some examples.

I'm also saying that the police are hardly any better than the crass comments that have appeared on this tread and that impart of the reason why these deaths continue at a constant rate year in and year out.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Thunglom

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

No it wasn't clear and you are accepting the evidence of the driver s fact - "turning" implies an action that goes from the main road to thesis road. The truck is on the side road in the photo. Your premise of speed is totally insupportable by citing death as an indicator. I think that rather looking objecy=tively at the evidence available you are trying to make up a story that fits in with the prejudgements you already hold.

 

I'm just suggesting variations on what may have happened, I'm try to demonstrate the futility of this. by giving you some examples

The language of my posts made it crystal clear that I was not insisting my opinion was definitely what happened. I merely laid out the evidence and drew some conclusions about what I thought probably happened and how the evidence supported that, just as you are. Nothing in myu post should have given you the impression I was accepting anything as fact, least of all what the driver said. If you are referring to his statement that he was turning into a side road then that would be more than evident (or not) to the police who attended the scene, especially as the truck follows the same route virtually every night of the week, like all garbage trucks. There was no realistic opportunity for the driver to lie about that.

Edited September 1, 2022 by ozimoron

[Thunglom]

11 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The language of my posts made it crystal clear that I was not insisting my opinion was definitely what happened. I merely laid out the evidence and drew some conclusions about what I thought probably happened and how the evidence supported that, just as you are. Nothing in myu post should have given you the impression I was accepting anything as fact, least of all what the driver said. If you are referring to his statement that he was turning into a side road then that would be more than evident (or not) to the police who attended the scene, especially as the truck follows the same route virtually every night of the week, like all garbage trucks. There was no realistic opportunity for the driver to lie about that.

 

And As said your premises were demonstrably wrong.

No real look at the evidence and just some ideas based on prejudice.

the evidence of the photo contradicts most of what you say.

 

now you are just talking nonsense trying to justify your original blunders you are trying to move the goal posts

 

"Possibly because one is dead and other seriously injured?

 

At 1 AM, they were on a main road away from the main population centres and carrying alcohol. What were the chances that they were drunk and speeding?" - you're trying to say they were drunk and speeding you are not postulating you're trying to say that's what happened with I would say LESS than a scant regard for logic.

 

 

 "Death and serious injury imply speed" - no they don't - again you make adssumptions

 

.If he had just turned into a side road then there wouldn't be the speed f"actor required to result in that outcome. You are now trying to back up a false premise you made earlier

 

If it was in any doubt you then say - “that's what I think happened.”

 

you language is quite clear in black and white. 

 

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

5 hours ago, Bobtheblob said:

why they searching under the seat

Looking for survivers.