1 hour ago, Burma Bill said:

With the greatest respect, proof please. I have not knowingly become infected with Covid-19. I have never been tested as I have never felt unwell. I have never experienced any symptoms other than a mild cold which a hot coffee and a paracetamol relieved. My body temperature was always in the range 36 to 37 (normal). I no longer wear a mask but do regularly wash my hands. Personally, I regard myself as never being a Covid-19 patient. I have had 4 "jabs" so far. 2 starters of Sinovac, then first booster Sinovac and second booster Pfizer. Due third booster shortly.

I don't think he was being literal.  Most people have had Covid and how they come up with these numbers is questionable. 100% of people after getting a fourth shot don't die????

i predict a thread heading in about 6 to 8 months from now saying how x number of boosters will boost your boost so much that you wont need to boost for another 6 months at least. 

 

then after that it will simply be a boost in another 6 months followed by 2 more the following year. if that doesn't seem to work then a further scheduled boost will occur. once that schedule is complete a new boost system will be in place to boost the old boosters to new boost levels. 

1 minute ago, stoner said:

i predict a thread heading in about 6 to 8 months from now saying how x number of boosters will boost your boost so much that you wont need to boost for another 6 months at least.

 You have heard about the notion of annual flu vaccine shots, right?  It's not exactly a foreign concept... 

 

But whether that will ultimately become necessary/advised for COVID in the future remains a bit unknown right now, AFAIK.

 

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The 3rd booster may also be effective against kangaroo pox. Where do these numbers come from? Are the boosters even effective against Omicron, and BA 4.6, BA5 and BA 4.6? How many boosters is enough? At what point do we start depending on a healthy immune system?

 

 

Probably the same frequency as Flu vaccins . 

31 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I don't think he was being literal.  Most people have had Covid and how they come up with these numbers is questionable. 100% of people after getting a fourth shot don't die????

 

Unfortunately, the Thai MoPH, AFAICT, didn't specify in their public info the number of vaccinated folks tracked in their May to July sample, nor did they say how long they were tracked for post vaccination....

 

But, a large scale study out of Singapore has done exactly that, with very good vaccine effectiveness findings for mRNA COVID booster shots in preventing serious COVID illness for at least six months post injection. And that's great news!

 

Booster Shots Protect Against Severe Covid for at Least Six Months, Study Finds

 

"The mRNA booster vaccines -- made by drugmakers Pfizer Inc. and BionTech SE, or Moderna Inc. -- were most effective in cutting the rate of people with severe Covid, scoring an estimated 87%, and there was no evidence of their effect waning within six months, the study found."

...

The study was led by researchers at Singapore’s National Center for Infectious Diseases and the National University of Singapore. It canvassed 2.4 million Singaporean residents aged 30 years and above vaccinated with at least two doses."

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-26/boosters-protect-against-severe-covid-for-six-months-study-says

 

Not too different from the more vaguely reported Thai data -- 83% effectiveness against serious COVID after three shots.

 

 

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You have heard about the notion of annual flu vaccine shots, right?

yes

 

whats the numbers on those who take and those who don't ? i think youll find the later is the much greater number. 

 

you may want to but from the looks of things the majority of people are not too keen anymore. 

 

 

Anybody know if Bang Rak Medical Centre vax site (St Louis BTS) is still operating? Or Bang Sue?

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 You have heard about the notion of annual flu vaccine shots, right?  It's not exactly a foreign concept... 

 

But whether that will ultimately become necessary/advised for COVID in the future remains a bit unknown right now, AFAIK.

 

An annual shot and 4 shots in the space of 18 months is not the same thing. Invalid comparison.

36 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

An annual shot and 4 shots in the space of 18 months is not the same thing. Invalid comparison.

 

The stated aim of the public health community is to hopefully get future COVID vaccine shots to be on an annual basis, if needed. It's exactly a valid comparison.

 

4 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Anybody know if Bang Rak Medical Centre vax site (St Louis BTS) is still operating? Or Bang Sue?

 

I haven't heard anything lately about public vaccinations at Bang Rak...

 

But the Bang Sue Central Vaccination Center was slated to continue operating thru the end of September.

 

"The Bang Sue Grand Station's Central Vaccination Center (CVC) has announced it will continue to provide vaccination services until the end of September.

According to CVC director Dr. Mingkwan Wichaidit, the center was originally scheduled to close at the end of August. However, public health officials decided to postpone its closure to continue providing services as people still come in for vaccinations and booster shots.

...

He stated that the closure date could be changed again depending on the circumstances and that the CVC could be reopened for service immediately if necessary."

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/pfbid02HmQxyX9a3wNKDh4F1NN9B4YP2efhk9dLEBqF6hE1ME9r3v1exDB6KMnL29ubegPfl

 

19 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

How does one even address a question like this? It is like asking me to prove that having great driving skills helps to prevent fatal accidents. Of course a strong immune system helps one to fight Covid. It helps one to fight any virus, flu, or contagious disease. This is science. Do the research. This is very elemental stuff. 

 

Bacteria in our guts can elicit an effective immune response against viruses that not only infect the gut, such as norovirus and rotavirus, but also those infecting the lungs, such as the flu virus. The beneficial gut microbes do this by ordering specialized immune cells to produce potent antiviral proteins that ultimately eliminate viral infections. And the body of a person lacking these beneficial gut bacteria won’t have as strong an immune response to invading viruses. As a result, infections might go unchecked, taking a toll on health.

 

https://www.umassmed.edu/news/news-archives/2021/01/a-healthy-microbiome-builds-a-strong-immune-system-that-could-help-defeat-covid-19/

 

 

Wise words, and yet in this day and age they get frowned upon as they "promote vaccine hesitancy". As if hesitating about this was intrinsically a bad thing.

 

It's an orthodoxy, a belief system and anything that goes against it is crushed.

 

Be healthy, take care of your body.

44 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The stated aim of the public health community is to hopefully get future COVID vaccine shots to be on an annual basis, if needed. It's exactly a valid comparison.

 

"Hopefully", right. With the bi-annual emergence of vaccine-resistant "variants", it seems their "hopes" will not be achieved anytime soon (and the cynic in me thinks they are just fine with that).

8 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I never said it didn't (help improve one's risks with COVID). But your response above notably didn't actually answer the question I asked you... since your answer sidestepped it.

 

What I asked you was:

 

show me some credible research that having a "healthy immune system" alone, in the absence of any COVID vaccinations or prior infection based immunity, is equally protective against COVID [compared to being vaccinated]?

 

And the article you linked above doesn't address that question at all... nor does it even say that having good gut bacteria prevents COVID.

 

Rather, it says only:

 

"New research, which has not yet been peer reviewed, shows the presence of certain bacteria in the gut may reveal which people are more vulnerable to a more severe case of COVID-19."

 

I seriously doubt you'll find any credible research anywhere that says having a "healthy gut" alone is comparable protection to being fully vaccinated for COVID.

 

 

But the issue always comes down to what "credible research" is. What does that even mean? Published research? Yes, there is plenty of published research strongly and unilaterally advocating vaccination as the ultimate solution, however when one becomes aware of the financial ties between the pharmaceutical industry and medical journals and public health agencies, one can only wonder if these assessments and statements are really independent and unbiased. The following articles are quite enlightening:

 

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/pharma/can-cdc-in-the-us-takings-millions-from-pharma-industry-be-unbiased/47357501

Can CDC in the US takings millions from pharma industry be unbiased?

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/how-much-top-journal-editors-get-paid-by-big-pharma-corrupt

This Is The Sickening Amount Pharmaceutical Companies Pay Top Journal Editors

 

https://www.science.org/content/article/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-approvals-spark-ethical

Hidden conflicts? Pharma payments to FDA advisers after drug approvals spark ethical concerns

 

Pharmaceutical companies are not non-profit organizations, they are companies currently making billions from the worldwide sales of their product, which they (as any company would) are actively promoting while making their shareholders very rich:

 

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/pfizer-q2-2022-revenues/

Pfizer has reported a 53% operational growth in revenues to $27.7bn in the second quarter (Q2) of 2022 compared to $18.9bn in the same quarter last year.

 

https://www.thestreet.com/markets/pfizer-earnings-get-covid-treatment-sales-boost-beat-forecasts

Pfizer Stock Turns Higher After Covid Sales Power Q2 Earnings Beat, Profit Guidance Boost

10 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You have heard about the notion of annual flu vaccine shots, right?  It's not exactly a foreign concept...

No, it isn't. But nor are the annual flu vaccines endlessly discussed every day on the mainstream media.

 

So if serial boosters seem to some people like a 'foreign concept', it is the hysterical media that is mostly to blame.

18 hours ago, Kevin Taylor said:

How do they come up with these numbers ? Everyone has had covid now so who are they comparing the data against.

Not me, I haven't had Covid...

And the 5th will make you immortal

8 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Wise words, and yet in this day and age they get frowned upon as they "promote vaccine hesitancy". As if hesitating about this was intrinsically a bad thing.

 

It's an orthodoxy, a belief system and anything that goes against it is crushed.

 

Be healthy, take care of your body and your innate immune system will do the rest.

When each vaccine manufacturer made over $10 billion in profits last year alone, on the vaccines, hesitancy is considered a very bad thing. 

 

I am not anti-vax. I am pro choice. I don't like being dictated to, told how many boosters I am supposed to purchase, told I might die if I don't, etc. 

 

 

14 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 I'm all for people being "healthy". But that aside, it matters A LOT when people try to use the "healthy lifestyle" argument as the basis for opposing COVID vaccinations or suggesting they're not needed if you're "healthy."  There's no credible science that supports that notion.

 

As for the rest of your post, it's nonsense. All the major public health agencies have been publicly and loudly saying since the beginning of COVID that people with various chronic conditions are at greater risk of poor outcomes if infected with COVID. Pretty much everyone knows that, and not many folks arguing on that point. But it's been discussed A LOT!

Not really. There was never any discussion about a healthy diet, exercise or the increased chances of a weakened immune system caused by not taking care of oneself. The fat brigade insured that discussion never happened. 

20 hours ago, perconrad said:

My wife and I we have not had Covid also many we know have not, but I have had 2 vaccines and 3 boosters

My wife & I have had the Single J&J shot. (we only got it because at the time seemed like Thailand would require it for re-entry)

Since Then...

Flown all over the USA on mask-less 6hour+ flights & Stayed in a few states all mask-less & have not gotten covid either

So who knows eh? ????

35 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Not really. There was never any discussion about a healthy diet, exercise or the increased chances of a weakened immune system caused by not taking care of oneself. The fat brigade insured that discussion never happened. 

Amazingly, no government as far as I am aware even mentioned the role of Vitamin D in helping to maintain the immune system, a factor which has been known about for decades and is the subject of a whole raft of scientific studies.

11 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Wise words, and yet in this day and age they get frowned upon as they "promote vaccine hesitancy". As if hesitating about this was intrinsically a bad thing.

 

It's an orthodoxy, a belief system and anything that goes against it is crushed.

 

Be healthy, take care of your body.

'Be healthy, take care of your body.'

 

Evidentially, this is sadly not a reliable maxim or there would be no need for vaccines.  It's mostly true where Omicron is concerned though- It's very unlikely a healthy person will suffer serious illness.

28 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

'Be healthy, take care of your body and your innate immune system will do the rest.'

 

Evidentially, this is sadly not a reliable maxim or there would be no need for vaccines.  It's mostly true where Omicron is concerned though- It's very unlikely a healthy person will suffer serious illness.

The "need" for a product is a dubious notion when there is money involved. Demand creation is one of the core concepts of marketing.

The absolute trust placed by so many people in Big Pharma to behave in an altruistic and ethical way is rather quaint. I wonder if those same people blindly trust Big Oil and Big Tobacco, too.

12 minutes ago, transam said:

I bet you pay for petrol, diesel or Viagra though......If you do, you are being rather hypocritical....

Never heard of anyone being insulted or banned from public life for refusing to use petrol so that's an invalid comparison.

19 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

The absolute trust placed by so many people in Big Pharma to behave in an altruistic and ethical way is rather quaint. I wonder if those same people blindly trust Big Oil and Big Tobacco, too.

Exactly, and it's not like there are no precedents of manipulation and collusion for profit:

 

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/01/big-tobacco-led-throat-doctors-to-blow-smoke.html

Tobacco companies conducted a carefully crafted, decades-long campaign to manipulate throat doctors into helping to calm concerns among an increasingly worried public that smoking might be bad for their health, according to a new study by researchers at the School of Medicine. Beginning in the 1920s, this campaign continued for over half of a century.

 

1 minute ago, transam said:

So you don't buy petrol, diesel or Viagra............Lucky bloke....????

Just put 1000 THB of diesel in my car last night. As for Viagra, no, no need for it yet!

Too easy to forget that the earlier variants killed tens of thousands in the UK for instance, some of them even young and healthy.

 

Even now, the vaccines make a dramatic difference for those with chronic underlying conditions.

 

I would agree that there are doom and gloom merchants who over emphasize the dangers of the omicron variant for reasons best known to themselves.

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2 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

Amazingly, no government as far as I am aware even mentioned the role of Vitamin D in helping to maintain the immune system, a factor which has been known about for decades and is the subject of a whole raft of scientific studies.

You're unaware of the UK government giving out free Vitamin D and advising everyone to take supplements then?

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