Police Summon Mountain B Pub Electrician, To Charge Him With Negligence

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TNR Staff 

ON THE one-month anniversary of Mountain B pub inferno that killed 23 people yesterday (Sept. 5) Chonburi police said they have issued a summons for the electrician who ran the power system from the start of construction in preparation to file a joint negligence charge, Amarin TV said.   

 

Over 10 families of those who died or were injured came to the gutted pub to mourn for their loved ones while asking for fair treatment and urging the authorities to continue prosecuting the pub owner.

 

Charges of negligence causing death and serious injury plus opening a service venue without permit have already been filed against Mr. Pongsiri Panprasong, or Sia B, 28, the pub owner, Ms Anongnat Panprasong, his wife, and Mr. Somyot Panprasong, or Sia Yot, 55, his father. All three were later bailed out.

 

Full story: https://thainewsroom.com/2022/09/05/police-summon-mountain-b-pub-electrician-to-charge-him-with-negligence/

 

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[richard_smith237]

Electrician ???

 

Are there such beings here ???...  Isn’t it usually just someone’s mate of a mate who happens to have a screw-driver and some electrical tape ??

 

Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified, however...  IF someone is not a fully qualified / certified electrician, is it not the owners fault for employing someone unqualified on a property which is going to be used by the pubic ???

 

 

 

[Wiggy]

Let the scapegoating begin……

[VinnieK]

I believe this saga will play out for a decade 

Not much of an outcome at the end.

 

[Jerno]

Who bought and installed the highly flammable ceiling tiles?  Owner obviously approved that purchase.  Electrician didn't.

[ikke1959]

As usual everybody to blame... the electrician, the constructor next, the manufacturers...  of the ceiling and curtains, tablea and doors and make the list longer.. and what about the officials, as there was no license? the police who did not check and enforce? and make the list longer...but the the owner/manager are responsible at first place 

[Ralf001]

5 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

and what about the officials, as there was no license? the police who did not check and enforce?

The place was illegally adapted to a nightclub..... after the officials inspected and approved it as a restaurant.

 

How are they at fault ?

[jacko45k]

Pick on the lowest guy in the food chain and blame him?

Edited September 5, 2022 by jacko45k

[Geoffggi]

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Electrician ???

 

Are there such beings here ???...  Isn’t it usually just someone’s mate of a mate who happens to have a screw-driver and some electrical tape ??

 

Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified, however...  IF someone is not a fully qualified / certified electrician, is it not the owners fault for employing someone unqualified on a property which is going to be used by the pubic ???

 

 

 

Talk about the lowest hanging fruit first, What about the certifying authority? - Probably paid off, surely who ever certifies that the structure is sound, and all services including water, electrics, emergency exits, fire fighting equipment etc. have been checked, prior to issuance of said certificate - Just for a change start at the top & work downwards. 

[RichardColeman]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

issued a summons for the electrician who ran the power system from the start of construction in preparation to file a joint negligence charge

Corporate manslaughter would be better

[stoner]

ahhh good old thai people. can't take responsibility or blame so pass the buck at all costs. 

[Moti24]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

.....Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified,....

 

About 12 years ago, I rented a new house, just outside Bangkok, three-pin sockets in all rooms.

 

After getting a tiny shock from the casing of my PC, I checked the wiring - The consumer unit had an earth wire connected from the outside of the house, but only 2-core cable had been used from the consumer unit around the house.

 

Qualified or not, I don't think it makes a difference; nobody checks qualifications, nor ongoing work.

[ChrisY1]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Electrician ???

 

Are there such beings here ???...  Isn’t it usually just someone’s mate of a mate who happens to have a screw-driver and some electrical tape ??

 

Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified, however...  IF someone is not a fully qualified / certified electrician, is it not the owners fault for employing someone unqualified on a property which is going to be used by the pubic ???

 

 

 

https://www.vocationaltraininghq.com/vocational-training-in-thailand/

There is training as above....however, most are not...they pick it up as they go......houses burn...fuse boxes explode and people die

[Bangkok Barry]

1 hour ago, Geoffggi said:

 

Talk about the lowest hanging fruit first, What about the certifying authority? - Probably paid off, surely who ever certifies that the structure is sound, and all services including water, electrics, emergency exits, fire fighting equipment etc. have been checked, prior to issuance of said certificate - Just for a change start at the top & work downwards. 

The article says that the electrician - and I use that term loosely - 'fixed' something on the day of the fire. My impression is that the whole of Thailand is an accident waiting to happen, judging from the work I've personally seen here. Just look at the number of fires that are blamed on a 'short circuit'.

Of course, all the others you mention are to blame too. But so many in Thailand are just not interested in doing a job well - including electricians - whether they are paid to look the other way or not. It's deeply ingrained into the culture that near enough will do. Sometimes it won't and people die. But no-one really seems to care.

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

fully qualified / certified electrician

Is there something like this in Thailand?

And I am not joking, I would be interested if someone, at least in theory, have such certificate.

And what does that mean?

 

And are there any official regulations which have to be followed?

Just looking at the colors of the wires in many installations is a horror story. But is it regulated? Can an "electrician" be fined for making a mess? 

 

 

[Cake Monster]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Electrician ???

 

Are there such beings here ???...  Isn’t it usually just someone’s mate of a mate who happens to have a screw-driver and some electrical tape ??

 

Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified, however...  IF someone is not a fully qualified / certified electrician, is it not the owners fault for employing someone unqualified on a property which is going to be used by the pubic ???

 

 

 

Certainly in Europe and elsewhere in the developed World, anybody that is pertaining to be an " Electrician " would carry their own Insurance Policies against Public Liability and damage, Etc, Etc.

But here in Thailand, there would almost certainly be no Insurance carried by Somchai, who wired up the place on the cheap, as it was not planting season yet for the Paddy Rice.

However, that does not take away from the people that Employed him, the duty of care they must show towards the Public that will use the Venue.

Just another part of this horrendous JigSaw of Corruption and Greed that has engulfed Thailand, and needs further Investigation of the Owners Re| -  Did they Employ him to wire the place ?

 

[kidneyw]

Yep, sh$t does flow downhill.

[kennw]

3 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

As usual everybody to blame... the electrician, the constructor next, the manufacturers...  of the ceiling and curtains, tablea and doors and make the list longer.. and what about the officials, as there was no license? the police who did not check and enforce? and make the list longer...but the the owner/manager are responsible at first place 

But, there is a lot of responsibility to go around and they should bear their share.

[thailand49]

Based on the comments here that is exactly why we have a field day with their logic! 

 

If the owners got cheap with the sound proofing " certified electrician "  I wonder how you going to prove the actual work?  " is this your work " 

" Mai " bye!  He said she said! 

Lots of burn out extension cords.  

Pretty much what you would find at any local market you think the over hanging wired are bad?????

[leither69]

3 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

The place was illegally adapted to a nightclub..... after the officials inspected and approved it as a restaurant.

 

How are they at fault ?

Because a regular inspection should take place of all licensed premises.

[rwill]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified, however...  IF someone is not a fully qualified / certified electrician, is it not the owners fault for employing someone unqualified on a property which is going to be used by the pubic ???

Normally you hire a general contractor, (called a Chang).  The general contractor is then the one hiring the workers.

[actonion]

My Thai brother in law was a "qualified certified" Electrician employed  by the  Electric company of Thailand........he was electrocuted, and died  fixing a problem  on an electric post   !!!

[ikke1959]

3 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

The place was illegally adapted to a nightclub..... after the officials inspected and approved it as a restaurant.

 

How are they at fault ?

for the same reason the electrician is charged.... they had to control if it was really a restaurant and act as it became a nightclub.. It is endless for Thai people to blame other people, so let us do it too

[Adumbration]

Oh well done.  They have found their scapegoat.  How about suing the government official that should have inspected the electrical installation before commission.  Or for that matter the person that installed the sound insulation panels that were not fire rated or the government building inspector that should of checked the ratings on the panels.

 

Or the idiots that would have plugged a trillion different amps and other appliances in to overload the power outlets around the stage and cause the subsequent spark that ignited the lethal blaze.

 

So predictable and so <deleted> pathetic.  Rich guy who built this illegal venue will walk free.

 

And some poor somchai sparky is earmarked to take the fall.

 

So predictable, and so disgusting.

 

Perhaps they were able to find an electrician who worked on the place that was Burmese?

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

The place was illegally adapted to a nightclub..... after the officials inspected and approved it as a restaurant.

 

How are they at fault ?

There should be a process where these things are regularly checked by a variety of governmental agencies. Same as in many other countries. And in many there's automatic continuous matching of computer data held/being continuously built which highlights 'blips'.

[Pedrogaz]

Uh oh! I see a 500 baht fine coming up.

[Mr Meeseeks]

Who signed off on all the electrical work? ????

[Mr Meeseeks]

18 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Uh oh! I see a 500 baht fine coming up.

Don't forget a ????

[BTB1977]

I see where this is heading. Every Tom, Dick and Harry that they hired to do work or supply materials to build this bar will be liable.  The owners are the real victims here. 

Edited September 6, 2022 by BTB1977

[Ralf001]

38 minutes ago, scorecard said:

There should be a process where these things are regularly checked by a variety of governmental agencies. Same as in many other countries.

I agree 100%.

 

But is there a process for post inspection?

 

I suspect not so once again.... why should the inspectors be held accountable ?