Deteriorating rapidly in the UK. !

[Social Media]

Mortgages increasing rapidly, rents rising by unpresented amounts, energy bills sky rocketting, this winter is looking very very bleak for many !...

 

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSRpcaKdS/

[Chomper Higgot]

The recession has started and inflation is up again.

 

These I guess are the promised ‘sunny uplands’.

[BritManToo]

You could make almost exactly the same video in Thailand using elderly Thais.

Prices are rising all over the world because governments shut their countries for 2 years.

 

What did the governments think would happen? 

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You could make almost exactly the same video in Thailand using elderly Thais.

Prices are rising all over the world because governments shut their countries for 2 years.

 

What did the governments think would happen? 

You could indeed, the best place for which would be the ‘Thailand’ sub forum.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Up next - Austerity 2, the sequel.

[BritManToo]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You could indeed, the best place for which would be the ‘Thailand’ sub forum.

Every post you make is bashing the Tory Brit government,

But the reality is all the governments in the world are doing just as badly.

It doesn't matter if it was a military/communist/globalist/fascist government the 2 year shut-down had the same result.

[Iamfalang]

pollution worse, gun violence up, economy in shambles, currency getting crushed, and floods a major problem.  Sexpats roam wild....

 

Alex, I'd like to solve the puzzle. 

[hotandsticky]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Up next - Austerity 2, the sequel.

 

 

Ah, the early morning smell of Schadenfreude.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Every post you make is bashing the Tory Brit government,

But the reality is all the governments in the world are doing just as badly.

It doesn't matter if it was a military/communist/globalist/fascist government the 2 year shut-down had the same result.

I’m not at all interested in whataboutary, and pointing out the factual failings is not ‘Bashing’.

 

Have you seen Home Secretary Braverman’s resignation letter?

 

43 days in office, gone already.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Ah, the early morning smell of Schadenfreude.

The fact that ‘Schadenfreude’ is a German word makes it sweeter.

[hotandsticky]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The fact that ‘Schadenfreude’ is a German word makes it sweeter.

 

Still smells like sh!t to me.

 

 

It had to be a German word, didn't it.....

[JayClay]

17 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

But the reality is all the governments in the world are doing just as badly

If you say it enough times then maybe it will become true.

 

But for now you haven't said it enough times so it remains completely inaccurate.

 

No other government in the world has taken themselves out of the largest free trade block in the world, and then gone on to crash their own currency with a completely unfunded budget of tax cuts, threatening the entire pension industry.

 

None.

 

All countries are struggling, nobody denies that. But most are trying to combat the issues, rather than introducing some brand new (and completely unnecessary) problems on top.

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not at all interested in whataboutary, and pointing out the factual failings is not ‘Bashing’.

 

Have you seen Home Secretary Braverman’s resignation letter?

 

43 days in office, gone already.

Dude, I probably hate the Conservatives more than you, but it's silly to blame them for what appears to be a global problem.

[BritManToo]

6 minutes ago, JayClay said:

No other government in the world has taken themselves out of the largest free trade block in the world,

The people voted to leave, the government had no choice.

That is how a democracy works.

I would have preferred the UK to stay in the EU (only because I wanted to live in France), but accepted the vote of the people.

Edited October 20, 2022 by BritManToo

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

The people voted to leave, the government had no choice.

That is how a democracy works.

I would have preferred the UK to stay in the EU, but accepted the vote of the people.

The Uk could have left the EU but remained in the Customs Inion (you recall the ‘Norwegian Option’).

 

But that’s not what the ERG wanted, so the Tories opted for the hardest Brexit they could get.

No body voted to be poorer, but poorer they are.

[BritManToo]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No body voted to be poorer, but poorer they are.

I doubt being in the EU would have made any difference to todays mess.

It is a 2 year shutdown, no business, pay people to stay home, problem.

Edited October 20, 2022 by BritManToo

[JayClay]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The people voted to leave, the government had no choice.

That is how a democracy works.

I would have preferred the UK to stay in the EU (only because I wanted to live in France), but accepted the vote of the people.

Which party called the vote? Which party then insisted on taking pretty much the hardest option on the table? Who then went on talk about the importance of growth despite backing a policy which actively demotes growth? How do you possibly think any of your arguments are absolving the Tories or responsibility?

 

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Dude, I probably hate the Conservatives more than you, but it's silly to blame them for what appears to be a global problem.

Firstly, I doubt it. Secondly I've just listed the things that the Tories specifically did to worsen the problem and you've ignored them and gone on about it being a global problem.

 

I'll try to make it simple to help.... If a car runs me over at high speed, you can argue that the driver is at fault. If I then, rather than calling an ambulance, decide to pour salt into my open wound, then the additional damage is 100% on me and my stupid decisions.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, JayClay said:

Which party called the vote?

So you think the people shouldn't have been given a choice.

Doesn't sound like you believe in democracy!

[JayClay]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I doubt being in the EU would have made any difference to todays mess.

It is a 2 year shutdown, no business, pay people to stay home, problem.

Why waste your time doubting when you could spend your time educating yourself instead? There's plenty of officially provided figures that prove the damage Brexit has done and continues to do to the economy.

 

There is now additional time-consuming, and hence expensive, paperwork required to export to the EU. This makes our products more expensive and delivery less reliable. This is why exports are down (hint: that "makes a difference to today's mess"). Even the Tories hand-picked poster-child for "how to prepare for Brexit" are now unable to sell their goods in the EU.

[Eleftheros]

This is what the World Economic Forum calls "Build Back Better."

[JayClay]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

So you think the people shouldn't have been given a choice.

Doesn't sound like you believe in democracy!

It sounds like you don't know how democracy works.

[BritManToo]

5 hours ago, JayClay said:

Why waste your time doubting when you could spend your time educating yourself instead?

No need to educate myself, I attended 2 of the best British universities.

 

Edited October 20, 2022 by onthedarkside
flame comment removed

[JonnyF]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Uk could have left the EU but remained in the Customs Inion (you recall the ‘Norwegian Option’).

 

But that’s not what the ERG wanted, so the Tories opted for the hardest Brexit they could get.

No body voted to be poorer, but poorer they are.

Yeah, nothing to do with locking people in their homes for almost 2 years due to Covid. No No No, it's all due to Brexit.

 

There are plenty of countries not in the EU, you know? In fact, the vast majority of them are not. And plenty of countries also in the EU are suffering for the same reason, Covid. The Euro is also diving against the dollar. In fact, forget parity, the Euro is now worth less than 1 dollar.

 

 

PS I'm richer than I was in 2016.

[SatEng]

While many countries have suffered due to covid and the Ukraine war causing inflation

 -The euro has tumbled below parity with the dollar

 - Biden may lose the mid-terms due to inflation

etc.

 

But in the UK there are two definite problems purely of the government's own making - putting out a tax-cutting budget for high earners at a time of financial crisis for many people looks uncaring, out of touch and downright stupid

 

and the second problem the government has is Brexit - not because this has had an adverse affect on the UK trade - but because this was the convenient whipping boy for the Conservatives and their cheerleaders in the mainstream media such as the Daily Express to blame when things were going wrong, and now they cannot

 

home, chickens, roost

[Sparktrader]

I knew this would happen! Hopeless politicians. Lining their own pockets.

[orchis]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Every post you make is bashing the Tory Brit government,

Now that they try their very best

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I doubt being in the EU would have made any difference to todays mess.

It is a 2 year shutdown, no business, pay people to stay home, problem.

I never said ‘staying in the EU’ I pointed out the damage being done by the totally unnecessary Tory decision to leave the Customs Union, which nobody voted for.

 

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

No need to educate myself, I attended 2 of the best British universities.

 

If you are going to make a claim of attending 2 of the Best British Universities as part of your argument then you’ll accept the criticism that they didn’t introduce you to the importance of addressing the arguments made, not the arguments you wish were made.

 

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I never said ‘staying in the EU’ I pointed out the damage being done by the totally unnecessary Tory decision to leave the Customs Union, which nobody voted for.

It was the EU that said we couldn't be half in and half out. 

 

Had we had the option to stay in the Customs Union without being bound by all the rules and regulations of the empire building EU politicians then I am sure we would have taken it. In fact, that's what the original free market was, and the British people were fine with it. That's how it should have stayed, it's when the federalist project started that the problems began. The over-reach by EU politicians was a huge mistake.

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It was the EU that said we couldn't be half in and half out. 

 

Had we had the option to stay in the Customs Union without being bound by all the rules and regulations of the empire building EU politicians then I am sure we would have taken it. In fact, that's what the original free market was, and the British people were fine with it. That's how it should have stayed, it's when the federalist project started that the problems began. The over-reach by EU politicians was a huge mistake.

Your revisionism is noted.

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your revisionism is noted.

Barnier, 2017. “I have heard some people in the UK argue that one can leave the single market and build a customs union to achieve ‘frictionless trade’ — that is not possible.”

 

https://www.ft.com/content/8404d08a-6221-11e7-91a7-502f7ee26895