Biden suggests voting for Republicans is a threat to democracy

[onthedarkside]

 

Biden singles out 'MAGA' Republicans as a threat, but most in GOP are supportive of Trump

President Biden urged Democrats on Wednesday to show up at the polls during next week's midterm elections or "allow the dark forces that thirst for power" to chip away at American democracy. 

Biden urged a crowd of supporters at a Democratic National Committee event inside Union Station in Washington, D.C. not to take the election for granted.

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"It's estimated that more than 300 [GOP] election deniers are on the ballot all across America this year," said Biden. "This is not about me … It's about the durability of our democracy." 

 

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-speech

 

 

 

[nauseus]

It just gets worse. Nothing about his backfiring policies, so he attacks the other half of the country instead.

 

So much for uniting America. Joe looks so desperate now. 

[Myran]

Ah, the classic and amazingly contradictory "It's only a democracy if you vote for me" retoric.

[Jingthing]

Biden is right about MAGA Republicans but overall not enough voters of any flavor seem to care enough about this historically top issue. If MAGA wins in 22 and 24 the American democratic experiment is over.. Authoritarian governments are usually first voted in and then you don't get to vote them out.

This is sad and tragic.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Myran said:

Ah, the classic and amazingly contradictory "It's only a democracy if you vote for me" retoric.

Not at all.

The republican party is dominated by people that want to grab the power to end elections that allow anyone except their crew to win. 

They almost pulled off a coup in 20.

They are fixing to seize permanent power like Orban and Putin holding show meaningless elections indefinitely.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It just gets worse. Nothing about his backfiring policies, so he attacks the other half of the country instead.

 

So much for uniting America. Joe looks so desperate now. 

You can't unite with fascists that are against accepting election results if they don’t win.

[onthedarkside]

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[Jingthing]

Some background on what thls is about.

 

 

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You can't unite with fascists that are against accepting election results if they don’t win.

Well that kind of thinking isn't a very uniting outlook. There's no doubt there are many who still doubt the '20 results but in a true democracy, they should be allowed to do so. 

[Social Media]

 

[nauseus]

37 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Some background on what thls is about.

 

 

Wow - obviously a special guest - this will really help to unite the country.

 

Next weeks results will be interesting. 

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, onthedarkside said:

President Biden urged Democrats on Wednesday to show up at the polls during next week's midterm elections or "allow the dark forces that thirst for power" to chip away at American democracy. 

Can't disagree with that.

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Wow - obviously a special guest - this will really help to unite the country.

 

Next weeks results will be interesting. 

It's about reality not pipe dreams. 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Not at all.

The republican party is dominated by people that want to grab the power to end elections that allow anyone except their crew to win. 

They almost pulled off a coup in 20.

They are fixing to seize permanent power like Orban and Putin holding show meaningless elections indefinitely.

...and your evidence would be.....

 

American voters are smarter than you give credit for. There was no "almost coup" in 2020, or on January 6.  It sounds like conspiracy theories are right at home on both sides of the political spectrum!

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Biden is right about MAGA Republicans but overall not enough voters of any flavor seem to care enough about this historically top issue. If MAGA wins in 22 and 24 the American democratic experiment is over.. Authoritarian governments are usually first voted in and then you don't get to vote them out.

This is sad and tragic.

Well, I guess that means that it is not a "historically top issue" among voters then, doesn't it? Sadly the president is tone deaf about what people care about- inflation, the economy, the border, and crime.  It is a big part of the reason that the Democrats will be shellacked next week in the midterms.

[Jingthing]

57 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well that kind of thinking isn't a very uniting outlook. There's no doubt there are many who still doubt the '20 results but in a true democracy, they should be allowed to do so. 

I find your post incredibly disingenuous and I'm sure you know this is about a much much more severe issue than doubting.

But get real MAGA doesn’t care about democracy at all. They care about grabbing power by any means necessary including violence and once consolidated never letting it go.

This shouldn't be partisan as Liz Cheney gets.

One or two MAGA state secretaries overturning the will of the people in a presidential election and then we are basically Russia or Hungary.

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/02/trump-backed-secretaries-of-state-could-flip-2024-election.html

 

 

Trump-Backed Secretaries of State Could Flip the 2024 Election

By Ed Kilgore

 

Even as Congress investigates Donald Trump’s attempted 2020 election coup and considers reforms to the Electoral Count Act of 1887 that aided his schemes for overturning the results, the former president is working hard to undermine future contests around the country. Beyond supporting gubernatorial candidates who have endorsed his election conspiracy theories, Trump is aggressively intervening in state contests for a less high-profile office: secretary of state.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Jingthing

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for lawmakers from a Republican party that in effect condoned (by not impeaching Trump) an armed insurrection he fomented attempting to overthrow the presidential election?

 

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for candidates from a Republican party whose party leaders in multiple states tried to subvert the country's presidential election with a scheme to promote fake presidential electors?

 

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for candidates from a Republican party where a large share of them continue to deny the legitimacy of an elected president and election outcome, even after dozens of courts and judges across the land, including those appointed by Trump, found their claims entirely without merit?

 

Etc etc etc.

 

The Big Lie is alive and well in the Republican Party at large, and not just among MAGA extremists. And Biden is right when he says, those kind of people and candidates are threats to the American democracy.

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Nearly 300 Republic election denying candidates are on the ballot this year:

 

"Election deniers will be on the ballot in 48 of 50 states and make up more than half of all Republicans running for congressional and state offices in the midterm elections. Nearly 300 Republicans seeking those offices this November have denied or questioned the outcome of the last presidential election, according to a Washington Post analysis.

 

...More than 170 election deniers are running in districts or states where Republicans are expected to win, according to Cook Political Report race ratings and Partisan Voter Index."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2022/election-deniers-running-for-office-elections-2022/

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

  

16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for candidates from a Republican party whose party leaders in multiple states tried to subvert the country's presidential election with a scheme to promote fake presidential electors?

 

The Fake Electors Scheme, Explained

The plan to reverse the outcome of the 2020 election by creating slates of electors pledged to Donald Trump in states he had lost was expansive, long-running and often confusing

 

The brazen plan to create false slates of electors pledged to former President Donald J. Trump in seven swing states that were actually won by Joseph R. Biden Jr. was arguably the longest-running and most expansive of the multiple efforts by Mr. Trump and his allies to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

 

It was also one of the most confusing, involving a sprawling cast of pro-Trump lawyers, state Republican officials and White House aides in an effort that began before some states had even finished counting their ballots. It culminated in the campaign to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to use the false slates to subvert congressional certification of the outcome on Jan. 6, 2021 — and in the violent attack on the Capitol that unfolded as he refused to do so.

 

(more)

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/27/us/politics/fake-electors-explained-trump-jan-6.html

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[billd766]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

It just gets worse. Nothing about his backfiring policies, so he attacks the other half of the country instead.

 

So much for uniting America. Joe looks so desperate now. 

So much for uniting America. Joe looks so desperate now.

 

I would like to remind you that President Biden and the Democrats actually WON the 2020 Presidential election with a comfortable majority.

 

Unlike EX president Trump, they are NOT wailing and whining about how the election was stolen from him. Just one of the hundreds of baseless lies that EX president Trump spews on a daily basis. 

 

They are trying to unsnarl all of EX president Trump's screwups and run the country as it should be run.

 

I am not sorry if this self evident truth upsets you, EX president Trump's supporters on this forum and even upsets the MAGA supporters as well.

[howlee101]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

You can't unite with fascists that are against accepting election results if they don’t win.

For clarity, would you label Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams as fascists? 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

State governors and secretaries of state elected by the public have a lot of influence over how elections are administered in their states. And many observers believe that's exactly what this Republican gubernatorial candidate was talking about lately:

 

"In Wisconsin, Republican gubernatorial nominee Tim Michels suggested at a campaign stop Monday that his election would result in permanent GOP control in the state.

 

“Republicans will never lose another election in Wisconsin after I’m elected governor,” Michels said.

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His spokesman later said he meant only that he would do a good job and voters would reward his party, but Democrats feared he was hinting at an overhaul of how state elections are administered."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/02/biden-warning-democracy-midterms-election-gop/

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for lawmakers from a Republican party that in effect condoned (by not impeaching Trump) an armed insurrection he fomented attempting to overthrow the presidential election?

 

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for candidates from a Republican party whose party leaders in multiple states tried to subvert the country's presidential election with a scheme to promote fake presidential electors?

 

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for candidates from a Republican party where a large share of them continue to deny the legitimacy of an elected president and election outcome, even after dozens of courts and judges across the land, including those appointed by Trump, found their claims entirely without merit?

 

Etc etc etc.

 

The Big Lie is alive and well in the Republican Party at large, and not just among MAGA extremists. And Biden is right when he says, those kind of people and candidates are threats to the American democracy.

 

Perhaps because they disagree with the hysteria surrounding January 6?  Perhaps because there was no "armed insurrection"- funny how many of the supposed insurrectionists left their guns at home...

 

Perhaps because they think the economy, inflation, immigration, and crime are all more pressing issues than political theatre?

 

Perhaps because they believe that their system is stronger than you think it is. 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Nearly 300 Republic election denying candidates are on the ballot this year:

 

"Election deniers will be on the ballot in 48 of 50 states and make up more than half of all Republicans running for congressional and state offices in the midterm elections. Nearly 300 Republicans seeking those offices this November have denied or questioned the outcome of the last presidential election, according to a Washington Post analysis.

 

...More than 170 election deniers are running in districts or states where Republicans are expected to win, according to Cook Political Report race ratings and Partisan Voter Index."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2022/election-deniers-running-for-office-elections-2022/

 

You might want to ask why, if election denying candidates are such a threat, why did the Democratic party spend $43 million trying to get so-called "election deniers" ON the ballot? Hypocrisy, thy name is Democrat.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-spent-43-million-helping-election-deniers-win-their-primaries-1731068

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I find your post incredibly disingenuous and I'm sure you know this is about a much much more severe issue than doubting.

But get real MAGA doesn’t care about democracy at all. They care about grabbing power by any means necessary including violence and once consolidated never letting it go.

This shouldn't be partisan as Liz Cheney gets.

One or two MAGA state secretaries overturning the will of the people in a presidential election and then we are basically Russia or Hungary.

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/02/trump-backed-secretaries-of-state-could-flip-2024-election.html

 

 

Trump-Backed Secretaries of State Could Flip the 2024 Election

By Ed Kilgore

 

Even as Congress investigates Donald Trump’s attempted 2020 election coup and considers reforms to the Electoral Count Act of 1887 that aided his schemes for overturning the results, the former president is working hard to undermine future contests around the country. Beyond supporting gubernatorial candidates who have endorsed his election conspiracy theories, Trump is aggressively intervening in state contests for a less high-profile office: secretary of state.

 

 

And the dems go on about conspiracy theories!

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for lawmakers from a Republican party that in effect condoned (by not impeaching Trump) an armed insurrection he fomented attempting to overthrow the presidential election?

 

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for candidates from a Republican party whose party leaders in multiple states tried to subvert the country's presidential election with a scheme to promote fake presidential electors?

 

Why would any American who believes in the country's democracy vote for candidates from a Republican party where a large share of them continue to deny the legitimacy of an elected president and election outcome, even after dozens of courts and judges across the land, including those appointed by Trump, found their claims entirely without merit?

 

Etc etc etc.

 

The Big Lie is alive and well in the Republican Party at large, and not just among MAGA extremists. And Biden is right when he says, those kind of people and candidates are threats to the American democracy.

 

And another one......

[nauseus]

57 minutes ago, billd766 said:

So much for uniting America. Joe looks so desperate now.

 

I would like to remind you that President Biden and the Democrats actually WON the 2020 Presidential election with a comfortable majority.

 

Unlike EX president Trump, they are NOT wailing and whining about how the election was stolen from him. Just one of the hundreds of baseless lies that EX president Trump spews on a daily basis. 

 

They are trying to unsnarl all of EX president Trump's screwups and run the country as it should be run.

 

I am not sorry if this self evident truth upsets you, EX president Trump's supporters on this forum and even upsets the MAGA supporters as well.

Run the country as it should be run? Laugh a minute.

 

I'm not upset but it looks like Joe is.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Perhaps because they disagree with the hysteria surrounding January 6?  Perhaps because there was no "armed insurrection"- funny how many of the supposed insurrectionists left their guns at home...

 

 

They (presumably all good Republicans) didn't:

 

Yes, Capitol insurrectionists were armed. Here are the weapons prosecutors say they used

A review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows they had a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs.

 

"But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large."

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https://www.witf.org/2021/03/19/yes-capitol-insurrectionists-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used/

 

 

"Facts First: While it’s impossible to know precisely how many firearms were brought to the Capitol on January 6, it’s already clear that at least some of the people present were carrying guns that day."

 

"So far, with the investigation still ongoing, three individuals have been charged for allegedly bringing a gun onto Capitol grounds on January 6. At least two other individuals have also been charged with gun crimes in relation to the events of that day, though they are not accused of carrying on Capitol grounds."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics/armed-insurrection-january-6-guns-fact-check/index.html

 

And then there was these guys, who seem to be believers in the philosophy of democracy at gunpoint.

 

Oath Keeper testifies about mass of guns allegedly stored near DC on January 6

A veteran and member of the Oath Keepers testified Wednesday that the far-right group amassed more weapons outside Washington, DC, on January 6, 2021, than he had seen since his days in the military.

 

Terry Cummings told the jury during the second week of the historic seditious conspiracy trial that he traveled to Washington with several members of a group from Florida, bringing his own AR-15 rifle and ammunition box to contribute to the Quick Reaction Force (QRF) allegedly established by the group in a hotel outside the city.

 

“I have not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military,” Cummings, who showed his rifle and ammunition to the jury during his testimony, said.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/12/politics/oath-keeper-guns-dc-january-6/index.html

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Biden is right about MAGA Republicans but overall not enough voters of any flavor seem to care enough about this historically top issue. If MAGA wins in 22 and 24 the American democratic experiment is over.. Authoritarian governments are usually first voted in and then you don't get to vote them out.

This is sad and tragic.

And they just do not understand themselves. Could hold a gun to their head, and they still would not believe it was a gun to their head! 

 

 

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

They (presumably all good Republicans) didn't:

 

Yes, Capitol insurrectionists were armed. Here are the weapons prosecutors say they used

A review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows they had a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs.

 

"But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large."

.

https://www.witf.org/2021/03/19/yes-capitol-insurrectionists-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used/

 

 

"Facts First: While it’s impossible to know precisely how many firearms were brought to the Capitol on January 6, it’s already clear that at least some of the people present were carrying guns that day."

 

"So far, with the investigation still ongoing, three individuals have been charged for allegedly bringing a gun onto Capitol grounds on January 6. At least two other individuals have also been charged with gun crimes in relation to the events of that day, though they are not accused of carrying on Capitol grounds."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics/armed-insurrection-january-6-guns-fact-check/index.html

 

 

I think you are being a touch disingenuous. Nobody overthrows a government with pepper spray, flagpoles, and  three dudes with guns.

 

One can safely assume that militia-style thugs like the Oath Keepers have myriad firearms at their disposal. There were approximately 10,000 rioters yet 9,997 of them "forgot" their guns.    Sure.