Lady Susan Hussey quits over remarks to charity boss Ngozi Fulani

[ozimoron]

21 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

What you need to do is stop omitting key words when you describe the charity’s function. 

Or he could just drop all the descriptors, save ink and just call them women. Any use of ethnic or racial descriptions exposes an agenda and that agenda is clearly racism. It does not add to the conversation to call domestic violence victims anything other than women. Or men, for that matter. Sistah Space, which he doesn't even know how to spell also deals with male victims. So, he could simply dispense with all the ethnic slurs and gender terminology and refer to them more accurately as domestic violence victims. I bet he doesn't.

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Or he could just drop all the descriptors, save ink and just call them women. Any use of ethnic or racial descriptions exposes an agenda and that agenda is clearly racism. It does not add to the conversation to call domestic violence victims anything other than women. Or men, for that matter. Sistah Space, which he doesn't even know how to spell also deals with male victims. So, he could simply dispense with all the ethnic slurs and gender terminology and refer to them more accurately as domestic violence victims. I bet he doesn't.

It wouldn’t suit their agenda to do so. 

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

It wouldn’t suit their agenda to do so. 

My take is that this thread has been going round and round in circles for long enough and should be closed.

[Mac Mickmanus]

15 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Or he could just drop all the descriptors, save ink and just call them women. Any use of ethnic or racial descriptions exposes an agenda and that agenda is clearly racism. It does not add to the conversation to call domestic violence victims anything other than women. Or men, for that matter. Sistah Space, which he doesn't even know how to spell also deals with male victims. So, he could simply dispense with all the ethnic slurs and gender terminology and refer to them more accurately as domestic violence victims. I bet he doesn't.

From their own website , they categorially state that they are a charity solely to help females from a African /Caribbean heritage (and they often just use the word "Black" as shown in the Guardian link) .

   That is from their own self description and it would be incorrect to say thy also assist white males or any males at all to be precise or any females not from their own self descriptive category 

   From a UK Government website :

 

"Sistah Space advocate for African heritage women and girls of African and Caribbean heritage affected by abuse."

 

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regId=1179934&subId=0

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

From their own website , they categorially state that they are a charity solely to help females from a African /Caribbean heritage (and they often just use the word "Black" as shown in the Guardian link) .

   That is from their own self description and it would be incorrect to say thy also assist white males or any males at all to be precise or any females not from their own self descriptive category 

   From a UK Government website :

 

"Sistah Space advocate for African heritage women and girls of African and Caribbean heritage affected by abuse."

 

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regId=1179934&subId=0

I proved much earlier that SS helps anybody who needs it. Your just like a petulant child at this point. Goodbye.

Edited December 15, 2022 by ozimoron

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I proved much earlier that SS helps anybody who needs it. Your just like a petulant child at this point. Goodbye.

They themselves  say different (and notice they didn't use the word "heritage" either) 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2022 by Mac Mickmanus

[Bluespunk]

20 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

From their own website , they categorially state that they are a charity solely to help females from a African /Caribbean heritage (and they often just use the word "Black" as shown in the Guardian link) .

   That is from their own self description and it would be incorrect to say thy also assist white males or any males at all to be precise or any females not from their own self descriptive category 

   From a UK Government website :

 

"Sistah Space advocate for African heritage women and girls of African and Caribbean heritage affected by abuse."

 

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regId=1179934&subId=0

You did not use the word heritage in previous posts. 
 

Now care to explain why?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

I proved much earlier that SS helps anybody who needs it. Your just like a petulant child at this point. Goodbye.

I don't know why you are making such a fuss over it , there are numerous charities/ help groups that are there for specific people .

   For example , here's a helpline for Muslims Females in the UK and another charity specifically for males and another one for Irish in the U.K , having Charites for specific groups (like Sistahspace) is quite common and accepted in the UK

   

 

https://www.britishpakistanfoundation.com/resources/for-women/

 

 https://www.blueribbonfoundation.org.uk/

 

https://www.birish.org.uk/

[ozimoron]

40 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I don't know why you are making such a fuss over it , there are numerous charities/ help groups that are there for specific people .

   For example , here's a helpline for Muslims Females in the UK and another charity specifically for males and another one for Irish in the U.K , having Charites for specific groups (like Sistahspace) is quite common and accepted in the UK

   

 

https://www.britishpakistanfoundation.com/resources/for-women/

 

 https://www.blueribbonfoundation.org.uk/

 

https://www.birish.org.uk/

This will be my last post in this topic.

 

The Sistah Space charity is for anybody. That's well established. They provide specialist services for women of African and Carribean heritage. That does not imply and does not mean that it excludes anybody. It does not. It is for anybody as they clearly state. You keep falsely insisting that they only operate for that demographic and exclude others. That is demonstrably false. The fact that you insist on perpetrating this false narrative clearly exposes your motive as racism.

 

Don't reply to me, I won't see it.

[Mac Mickmanus]

18 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

This will be my last post in this topic.

 

The Sistah Space charity is for anybody. That's well established. They provide specialist services for women of African and Carribean heritage. That does not imply and does not mean that it excludes anybody. It does not. It is for anybody as they clearly state. You keep falsely insisting that they only operate for that demographic and exclude others. That is demonstrably false. The fact that you insist on perpetrating this false narrative clearly exposes your motive as racism.

 

Don't reply to me, I won't see it.

I am quite interested to learn about how they operate .

What are the specialist services that are only available to females of a African/Caribbean heritage and which aren't available to anyone else ?

  Here is a quote from the Voice newspaper , a newspaper which concentres on the Black community 

 

"Not only that, I heard people in Hackney speak about her. She is a credit to her community and provides vital service for black women,"

 

"Sistah Space is a London-based charity, which serves African and Caribbean heritage women and girls affected by domestic and sexual abuse and are currently the only organisation of its kind in the UK."

 

https://www.voice-online.co.uk/news/2021/05/12/sistah-space-launch-a-petition-calling-for-specialist-training-for-those-working-with-black-domestic-violence-victims/

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just for clarification from the Guardian 

 

"Hackney domestic violence charity faces battle to stay in premises"

 

 

"London’s only specialist domestic violence service for women of African and Caribbean heritage is facing eviction from its premises, and claims it has had to turn away survivors amid a dispute with the local authority."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/11/hackney-domestic-violence-charity-faces-fight-to-stay-in-premises-sistah-space

 

 

Oh dear, it's just getting worse!

[JonnyF]

15 hours ago, ozimoron said:

In its accounts, the charity said: “We have now engaged an independent accounting firm and are confident that any issues are a thing of the past.”

A thing of the past?

 

I'm afraid it doesn't really work like that. Let's say you avoided paying tax for 10 years, you couldn't really say "Well I hired an accountant and paid it last year, those tax evasion issues are a thing of the past". She could be in a whole load of trouble if the rumours about undocumented expenses, missing money etc. are true.

 

What's the expression? "If you dig a grave for others, you might fall into it yourself". Cosplay Marlene better hope her racially exclusive "We only help black people" charity has been squeaky clean with all that money. Fraud is a very serious issue and her little stunt has put a huge target on her back. Shutting up shop and hoping it all blows over is unlikely to help given the high profile and consequences of her grubby setup of Lady Hussey.

 

Maybe she'd have been better answering a straight question with a straight answer? i.e. "I was born and raised in Britain but my parents came here from the Caribbean, the African clothes are just fancy dress and I've given myself a fake African name to appear more authentic" would have been pretty accurate. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

From the view of a British person with Ghanaian heritage :

 

 

 

"Esther Krakue: ‘Upon seeing the picture of Fulani at Buckingham Palace, my Ghanaian mother thought she was dressed as a fetish priest’

 

Why it’s valid to ask where Ngozi Fulani is really from

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/why-it-s-valid-to-ask-where-ngozi-fulani-is-really-from/ar-AA15mTSY?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=5836c7e4254048c5b3cf9ad2980e89a2

 

[Bluespunk]

53 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

From the view of a British person with Ghanaian heritage :

 

 

 

"Esther Krakue: ‘Upon seeing the picture of Fulani at Buckingham Palace, my Ghanaian mother thought she was dressed as a fetish priest’

 

Why it’s valid to ask where Ngozi Fulani is really from

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/why-it-s-valid-to-ask-where-ngozi-fulani-is-really-from/ar-AA15mTSY?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=5836c7e4254048c5b3cf9ad2980e89a2

 

It was a racist question to ask “no, where are you really from?” after being told the charity worker was British.

 

hussey has apologised in person for asking said racist question and the apology has been accepted.
 

Yet you wish to continue defend the question, one really does wonder why, but not for too long. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

Ngozi accepts an apology from Lady Hussey and Ngozi acknowledges that the comments "were not malicious" and had the comments been racist , they would indeed have been malicious .

 

Ngozi Fulani receives personal apology at Palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64005705

[Bluespunk]

13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ngozi accepts an apology from Lady Hussey and Ngozi acknowledges that the comments "were not malicious" and had the comments been racist , they would indeed have been malicious .

 

Ngozi Fulani receives personal apology at Palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64005705

Nope.
 

That “reasoning” is flawed.
 

Racism can be intended or come from a place of ignorance. Hence the need to educate and highlight such cases where there was no malicious intent but which were nonetheless racist. 

 

You’re getting desperate in your attempts to defend and deflect now. Let it go, all those involved in this racist incident have. 
 

“Both Ms Fulani and Lady Susan ask now that they be left in peace to rebuild their lives in the wake of an immensely distressing period for them both. They hope that their example shows a path to resolution can be found with kindness, cooperation and the condemnation of discrimination wherever it takes root.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/16/lady-hussey-apologises-ngozi-fulani-buckingham-palace-racism-incident?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Edited December 17, 2022 by Bluespunk

[Mac Mickmanus]

17 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ngozi accepts an apology from Lady Hussey and Ngozi acknowledges that the comments "were not malicious" and had the comments been racist , they would indeed have been malicious .

 

Ngozi Fulani receives personal apology at Palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64005705

Ngozi has now made up with Lady Hussey and now doesn't seem to want to continue publicising her charity , I wonder whether that new stance has anything to do with her currently being investigated for fraud , which came about with the palace publicity ?

[Credo]

45 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ngozi has now made up with Lady Hussey and now doesn't seem to want to continue publicising her charity , I wonder whether that new stance has anything to do with her currently being investigated for fraud , which came about with the palace publicity ?

I highly doubt it.  Fraud charges won't go away once an investigation is launched.  It certainly won't hurt to have the palace either neutral or leaning toward her side, though.  Having the palace against could be very counterproductive.   

 

[Bluespunk]

8 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ngozi has now made up with Lady Hussey and now doesn't seem to want to continue publicising her charity , I wonder whether that new stance has anything to do with her currently being investigated for fraud , which came about with the palace publicity ?

No surprise you’d wonder along those lines given the nature of your posting on this thread.
 

You can’t cope with the fact apologies have been issued for the racism the charity worker faced, or with hussey admitting wrongdoing for her racist questioning. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Bluespunk

[Mac Mickmanus]

10 hours ago, Credo said:

I highly doubt it.  Fraud charges won't go away once an investigation is launched.  It certainly won't hurt to have the palace either neutral or leaning toward her side, though.  Having the palace against could be very counterproductive.   

 

Ngozi isn't very popular with anyone at the moment , she's annoyed the African community because she dressed up as an African and she's annoyed the Caribbean community for not wearing Caribbean clothes and she's annoyed the White community for causing racial problems and her Sistahspace supporters are annoyed about the corruption    .

   Comments on social media no one supports her at all , seems like Lady Hussey is her only friend now and I wouldn't be surprised if the two began to hang out together more pften

[mikeymike100]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ngozi isn't very popular with anyone at the moment , she's annoyed the African community because she dressed up as an African and she's annoyed the Caribbean community for not wearing Caribbean clothes and she's annoyed the White community for causing racial problems and her Sistahspace supporters are annoyed about the corruption    .

   Comments on social media no one supports her at all , seems like Lady Hussey is her only friend now and I wouldn't be surprised if the two began to hang out together more pften

Wouldn't that be ironic?????

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Wouldn't that be ironic?????

Not at all, It would be a fantastic thing to see and would go a very long way to breaking down the prejudices in UK society and indeed around the English speaking world.

[Mac Mickmanus]

On 12/15/2022 at 4:17 PM, ozimoron said:

Or he could just drop all the descriptors, save ink and just call them women. Any use of ethnic or racial descriptions exposes an agenda and that agenda is clearly racism

Yes, that was the point that I made earlier in the thread , Sista space only helping Females  from the African/Caribbean community  is indeed racist (and sexist as well, for that matter). 

[Bluespunk]

18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ngozi isn't very popular with anyone at the moment , she's annoyed the African community because she dressed up as an African and she's annoyed the Caribbean community for not wearing Caribbean clothes and she's annoyed the White community for causing racial problems and her Sistahspace supporters are annoyed about the corruption    .

   Comments on social media no one supports her at all , seems like Lady Hussey is her only friend now and I wouldn't be surprised if the two began to hang out together more pften

Ah, the delusional rants of the deluded are at times entertaining. LOL

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, that was the point that I made earlier in the thread , Sista space only helping Females  from the African/Caribbean community  is indeed racist (and sexist as well, for that matter). 

Again you repeat this lie that the charity helps only African and Caribbean women, when the truth is it helps British women.
 

I now no longer wonder why you do this.
 

Your agenda is clear, as is your “thinking”. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Bluespunk

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Again you repeat this lie that the charity helps only African and Caribbean women, when the truth is it helps British women.
 

I now no longer wonder why you do this.
 

Your agenda is clear, as is your “thinking”. 

He's long since on my ignore list as he refuses to read or acknowledge evidence even when spoon fed it. SS themselves state categorically that they help anyone in need, regardless of ethnicity and gender and that, additionally, they provide specialists services for women of African and Caribbean heritage. This is clear and unambiguous language yet he persists in regurgitating the same non sequiters in pursuit of his racist agenda.

 

His posts are a lesson in tedium ad nauseum.

Edited December 18, 2022 by ozimoron

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

He's long since on my ignore list as he refuses to read or acknowledge evidence even when spoon fed it. SS themselves state categorically that they help anyone in need, regardless of ethnicity and gender and that, additionally, they provide specialists services for women of African and Caribbean heritage. This is clear and unambiguous language yet he persists in regurgitating the same non sequiters in pursuit of his racist agenda.

 

His posts are a lesson in tedium ad nauseum.

I am just dealing with facts and I do not have a racist agenda at all .

 

[Bluespunk]

16 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I am just dealing with facts and I do not have a racist agenda at all .

 

Ah huh…

[GinBoy2]

32 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I am just dealing with facts and I do not have a racist agenda at all .

 

Trouble is you are and just don't see it.

 

I'd wager you're a 60+ white guy, and have never had to deal with racism in your life. I kinda got that when you replied to an earlier comment I made about my life experience.

 

Problem is for you, I'm sure it's totally unconscious and you have no self awareness of how it sounds.

 

I've already expressed how bizarre it was for this woman claiming to be something she wasn't, but she is a woman of color so just deal with that.

 

The fact that you continue to chew on this bone is almost a desperate attempt to justify it all.

 

Let it go, there was stupidity on both sides I'd suggest, but you need to look at the underlying, your underlying racism and maybe evolve your thinking.

Many folks have!

[Mac Mickmanus]

13 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

Trouble is you are and just don't see it.

 

I'd wager you're a 60+ white guy, and have never had to deal with racism in your life. I kinda got that when you replied to an earlier comment I made about my life experience.

 

Problem is for you, I'm sure it's totally unconscious and you have no self awareness of how it sounds.

 

I've already expressed how bizarre it was for this woman claiming to be something she wasn't, but she is a woman of color so just deal with that.

 

The fact that you continue to chew on this bone is almost a desperate attempt to justify it all.

 

Let it go, there was stupidity on both sides I'd suggest, but you need to look at the underlying, your underlying racism and maybe evolve your thinking.

Many folks have!

Whilst I do agree that the discussion wasn't really P.C and it was unnecessarily personal , I just disagree that it was racist.

  Whilst it may appear to be racist if you try and make it that way , it was mainly due to Ngozi cosplaying as an African and deliberately being vague in the discussion about her origins .

   They were at an event attended to by people from all over the World , so it would be quite normal to ask people where they were from .

   Some people are trying to change the situation where Lady H just went up to a random Black person and asked where they were from and then questioned whether they were from the UK or not , but that wasn't what happened