Crackdown on illegal immigration - Indian on 974 day overstay nabbed after information from spy

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

Pretty sure if they investigated the thousands of Indian tailors in Pattaya and BKK, they would find thousands of Indian overstayers !!!

I think many have Thai wives. A lot of the Indian restaurants are run that way. Probably the tailors and other businesses.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, soi3eddie said:

Was expecting to see the term "smart car" until geeting to the bit about "spy". 

 

No, the one around here has been parked up in the yard of the immigration office for a couple of years now, covered in dust and flat tyres.

[Howiehotspur]

2 hours ago, bangon04 said:

Good question - not allowed to be a taxi driver.....

All he would need is a roof over he’s head and a personal Straw 

Edited December 7, 2022 by Howiehotspur

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, roger101 said:

I knew somebody years ago in Chang Mai who had been here for years on overstay.

His sister sent him money every month for him to get by but not enough to pay for the airfare to get home and pay the 20,000 Baht fine at the airport.

When I meet my wife I lost contact with him. I never read in the Bangkok Post about him being arrested on overstay so I presume somebody lent him enough money for flight and fine. One of the nicest people I meet here. Not all over stayers are criminals just victims of circumstance.

People who overstay their visas are indeed criminals , it doesn't matter whether they were nice people or not .

What was the guys name in CM ?

[3NUMBAS]

why isnt there a top ten of overstayers so we know who is top cheater

[Onerak]

3 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Pretty sure if they investigated the thousands of Indian tailors in Pattaya and BKK, they would find thousands of Indian overstayers !!!

Most of them are second/third generation Thai-Indians. 

[Gottfrid]

2 hours ago, bradiston said:

Never mind. It'll obviously never happen to you.

You are right on that. Spot on, dude

[crazykopite]

Spy ! Is this the next Ian Fleming model let’s be honest he was grassed up by an individual who he may have upset  

[swerve]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

why isnt there a top ten of overstayers so we know who is top cheater

A couple of weeks back there was a Finn in Udon caught on nearly 8 years overstay.  He is likely a top ten.  Probably in IDC right now.

[ThomasThBKK]

7 hours ago, recom273 said:

I’m surprised how many Indians and Burmese work out in the villages - Indians are money lenders (idk, maybr have some kind of residence) or have a Roti cart outside 7-11s You see posts here about westerners scared to cut their own grass, if you look closely there are Burmese that have stalls at the travelling markets in Issan. I don’t know how you can get a work permit to sell coconuts on the side of the road, but my Burmese buddy does it. 

Burmese, unlike indians, like other ASEAN countries can get work permits here super easy, you just need a thai sponsor, no company nor nothing. 

Way easier than for us westerners.

 

 

[off road pat]

6 hours ago, bradiston said:

Similar story where I have a house in the south east. But locals there appreciate his rotis much more than worrying about whether he has a WP or not. And of course the local old bill have a great fondness for the banana and condensed milk concoction, so what's not to like? Until somebody decides they can "do a Thai" on him, grass him up, shut him down, then reopen the business with a lazy nephew who cocks it all up, never to be found, "cannot" mentality.

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"Until somebody decides they can "do a Thai" on him, grass him up, shut him down, then reopen the business with a lazy nephew who cocks it all up, never to be found, "cannot" mentality". ....Exactly, I have seen this so many times over and over again !!!...

[worldexpress]

They love to parade these "hard-core criminals" in front of cameras. I'm sure their netizens would have a field day if South Korea paraded every illegal Thai they catch.

[thaibreaker]

9 hours ago, soalbundy said:

It happens. A German friend of mine experienced, as he put it, the worst day of his life. His wallet with money and cards was stolen from his back pocket at swampy as he was leaving to return home, he still had his passport and air ticket but that was all. To make matters worse he had contacted an STD which was staining his white trousers with a yellow patch. He had a fever, was tired and had a hangover. The most immediate problem however was he didn't have the 500 Baht to pay the departure tax as it was then (about 20 years ago). In desperation he walked into a bank to see if he could get a small loan on the strength of his passport alone, this wasn't possible of course but the 40 year old male bank teller upon hearing his story took pity on him especially when my friend promised to transfer 10 times that amount to the Thai man's bank account when he was back in Germany, the bank teller lent him the 500 Baht and my friend was true to his word.

I have another story from when I was caught for overstaying my visa a long time ago, and sent to IDC. On the second day we stood before a judge to pay our fines of 3000 baht, to avoid 60 days real jail time in a Thai prison, instead of being sent back to IDC.

To get that money, the immigration officer who escorted us from IDC to the court, escorted us to the nearest ATM to withdraw our funds. Unfortunately my card did not work with this bank. I knew it as soon o saw which bank this ATM represented. 

I asked the immi officer if there was any way he could take me to another ATM. Not a chance. Then I asked him if he could borrow me the 3000 baht, and I would pay him back 6000 baht on our way back to IDC.

He actually trusted me, and I did escape jail that day. On our way back we stopped at another ATM bank, I withdrew what I promised, and paid him back double.

 

Now, that is something I never expected an immi officer would ever do. He could easily have lost his money, if I wasn't keeping my word. He had no guarantees, I could be desperate enough to do anything to stay out of that Thai prison, and screwed him over. 

I would of course never do that, but he didn't know that.

[Iron Tongue]

16 hours ago, brianthainess said:

So he's been here since he was around 24 yrs old, just how has he been supporting himself ? Scammer ? 

My guess is that he has been slaving away in the back of a restaurant or construction project all this time.

 

He probably got snitched-out the day after he went to his boss and asked to be paid for the 3-years of labor he has already performed.

[hotchilli]

18 hours ago, webfact said:

This appeared to be part of a crackdown on illegal immigration from December 1st to 10th that has seen a raft of stories on ASEAN NOW in the last few days

A crackdown by immigration aided by snitches, otherwise they'd still be here.

[arick]

And I just found a good India restaurant in Chiayaphum city. I haven't even seen an Indian around there 

[Andycoops]

The ordinary Thai citizen doesn't have a clue about visas, work permits or immigration per se, as I have personally experienced talking to them.

 

A spy, surely Thailand isn't going down the Stasi route of people ratting on their neighbours etc...

[digger70]

On 12/7/2022 at 9:29 AM, Don Chance said:

How much do snitches get in Thailand. Is it like crime stoppers?

Nah, they rank themself higher then Foreigners.

[Burma Bill]

21 hours ago, BritScot said:

Spy I think not, Grass maybe!

Possibly - there is a confidential free phone call number for Thai Immigration, 1178. 

[An0n]

I see many suspicious looking people around, including police itself.

 

[BritScot]

56 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

Possibly - there is a confidential free phone call number for Thai Immigration, 1178. 

I wouldn't call phoning up and grassing "Spy's" not quite 007. I suspect most are little people with jealousy or grudges. I've know people on overstay but would never grass them up, ruining their lives and those around them while they were not causing drama even if I personally  didn't like them.

[Ginner]

22 hours ago, bradiston said:

Most get paid peanuts, are treated like cxxx, and are held until they can pay off the extortionate sums involved in getting into Thailand and getting a job the Thais would never dream of doing themselves. It's one of those industries which is a huge source of wealth for the people smugglers aka human traffickers. Out of the millions, how many commit serious crimes? It's typical European "blame it on the immigrant" mentality. If you won't do the work yourself, how can you complain if somebody far less well off than yourself, is prepared to sacrifice everything to do it?

 

Anyway, I don't know what this guy was doing here and I don't consider it any of my business. But then, I don't know what anyone, apart from a few close friends, is doing here. He's 27, a long way from home, and has been grassed up by some grudged up snitch after presumably leading a blameless life here for 3 years. Why pick on him?

Easy target and no money to secure his invisibility. There is an Indian guy where I live and he cycles all over selling peanuts for B10 a packet. Like you, I say good luck to him. None of my business. At least he is trying to make a living. Not like some of these rich self opinionated westerners who pay for sex with 18/19 year old girls and then demand overstayers be imprisoned and band for life.

 

[Harveyboy]

On 12/7/2022 at 1:38 PM, bradiston said:

Most get paid peanuts, are treated like cxxx, and are held until they can pay off the extortionate sums involved in getting into Thailand and getting a job the Thais would never dream of doing themselves. It's one of those industries which is a huge source of wealth for the people smugglers aka human traffickers. Out of the millions, how many commit serious crimes? It's typical European "blame it on the immigrant" mentality. If you won't do the work yourself, how can you complain if somebody far less well off than yourself, is prepared to sacrifice everything to do it?

 

Anyway, I don't know what this guy was doing here and I don't consider it any of my business. But then, I don't know what anyone, apart from a few close friends, is doing here. He's 27, a long way from home, and has been grassed up by some grudged up snitch after presumably leading a blameless life here for 3 years. Why pick on him?

blameless..or just not caught ..he supported himself somehow 

[bradiston]

5 minutes ago, Harveyboy said:

blameless..or just not caught ..he supported himself somehow 

Well that's right. No benefits scrounger, he. Otherwise there'd be another 10 pages to this thread.

[Kalasin Jo]

On 12/7/2022 at 6:07 PM, Mickeymaus said:

Not every overstayer is a nice pensioner that forgot to extend his visa.

Nor is every overstayer a bad dude. Some may have lost a Thai wife who did everything for them. Some may have developed dementia and don't even know what day of the week it is.

Some fall on hard times and simply cannot pay or are too proud or embarrassed to ask family back home ( if they have any) for a ticket out plus the overstay fine. It's a mixed bag like so much in life.

 

Not this guy though but we don't know his story.

 

[nigelforbes]

More importantly, not every overstayer is a western farang, statistically, farangs will represent a very small percentage of overstayers since they at least have developed countries to return to. Now Chinese, Cambodian, Philippine's, Laos, Russian and so on and so on, that's a very different story.  

[bradiston]

2 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

More importantly, not every overstayer is a western farang, statistically, farangs will represent a very small percentage of overstayers since they at least have developed countries to return to. Now Chinese, Cambodian, Philippine's, Laos, Russian and so on and so on, that's a very different story.  

Any stats on overstayers? I've not seen any.

 

I don't really get the correlation between having a "developed country to return to" and not overstaying. That country will probably be a lot more expensive to live in with a correspondingly low quality of life for the less well heeled. Plenty of farangs on overstay, plenty of reasons to stay. But not keeping your immigration status up to date - well, you really only have yourself to blame for that.

 

A lot of overseas workers are here as a result of an MoU. They have proper documents. They are in fact probably far more important to the Thai economy than you and I. For all TAT's banging on about quality tourists, quality workers are just as important. In a good year, like before COVID, tourists outnumbered immigrant workers roughly 10 to 1. It would be interesting to see the net contribution both groups made to the Thai GDP, or whatever Index they use for tourism.

 

But assuredly there are a lot of illegal workers doing the very worst jobs, I imagine.

[nigelforbes]

24 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Any stats on overstayers? I've not seen any.

 

I don't really get the correlation between having a "developed country to return to" and not overstaying. That country will probably be a lot more expensive to live in with a correspondingly low quality of life for the less well heeled. Plenty of farangs on overstay, plenty of reasons to stay. But not keeping your immigration status up to date - well, you really only have yourself to blame for that.

 

A lot of overseas workers are here as a result of an MoU. They have proper documents. They are in fact probably far more important to the Thai economy than you and I. For all TAT's banging on about quality tourists, quality workers are just as important. In a good year, like before COVID, tourists outnumbered immigrant workers roughly 10 to 1. It would be interesting to see the net contribution both groups made to the Thai GDP, or whatever Index they use for tourism.

 

But assuredly there are a lot of illegal workers doing the very worst jobs, I imagine.

Thailand relies on workers from Myanmar and Cambodia to fill jobs in the fishing and construction industries, without those workers those industries wont function.

 

If you're from Bangladesh and you overstay, that's understandable because there's hardly an economy back home and certainly no jobs. At least if you're hear you have a chance. That's why I say there must be a relationship between the nationality of overstayers and their home economies, eg Myanmar.

[smiggley]

I have never seen an Indian in Chaiyaphum, I guess he just stayed home and kept to himself.