14 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

How many links will satisfy you?

 

https://www.firstpost.com/world/why-africa-which-has-less-than-6-of-people-vaccinated-is-least-affected-by-covid-19-10149471.html

More up-to-date ones, for one thing. Like this one published on Dec 13, 2022

 

Morgue data reveal Africa’s high COVID-19 death toll

A new study led by Boston University School of Public Health found that nearly 90 percent of deceased individuals at a Zambian morgue were infected with COVID-19, but only 10 percent tested positive while alive...

Africa’s low death count has baffled health experts and government officials, but growing data contrasts previous, widespread assertions over the last three years that COVID-19 spared the continent.

A new study led by Boston University School of Public Health (BUSPH) researchers suggests that the reported COVID-19 death toll in Africa is substantially higher than official records indicate.

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/974330

 

11 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

Or maybe because pressure has been put on them not to?

You know, I could have doubter your conspiracy theory, but the use of "maybe" convinced me that you were on to something real.

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Yes, of course. They all employed moderators.

 

Link to your claim that NAID (whoever they are) is being sued?

https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-couldn-t-recall-critical-204543315.html

 

I can't believe you people are making assertions when you clearly know nothing about what is going on.

4 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-couldn-t-recall-critical-204543315.html

 

I can't believe you people are making assertions when you clearly know nothing about what is going on.

The chances of that action prevailing are next to nil. Wait and see.

6 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-couldn-t-recall-critical-204543315.html

 

I can't believe you people are making assertions when you clearly know nothing about what is going on.

From your link:

They have accused top-ranking government officials of working with Twitter, YouTube, and Meta, which owns Facebook, "under the guise of combating misinformation" in order to censor viewpoints on COVID that went against the Biden administration's position.

 

Trump was the president when covid started through till when he left in mid Jan 2021.

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The chances of that action prevailing are next to nil. Wait and see.

Of course it will go nowhere. Suppressing covid misinformation started in Feb 2020 well before the Biden admin, was an international effort and the only way to stop the nut jobs.

 

"In February this year, when the new coronavirus began to spread outside China, the Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, announced: “we're not just fighting an epidemic; we're fighting an infodemic” (https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/munich-security-conference). The term, coined in 2003 in the context of the first SARS epidemic, refers to a rapid proliferation of information that is often false or uncertain (https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/words-were-watching-infodemic-meaning). Academic researchers, international organizations such as the United Nations and the European Union, individual governments and the media have acknowledged and discussed the prevalence of the alleged COVID-19 infodemic and the importance of fighting it. Information campaigns have been launched to provide wider audiences with reliable information about COVID-19. Main social media platforms have also actively fought against false information by filtering out or flagging content considered as misinformation."

 

https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.15252/embr.202051420

3 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-couldn-t-recall-critical-204543315.html

 

I can't believe you people are making assertions when you clearly know nothing about what is going on.

Truly devastating article. 

"Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry says the public is "going to be shocked" when it learns how little Dr. Anthony Fauci could recall during last week's deposition about "some of the most important actions and discussions" when he was chief medical adviser to Presidents Trump and Biden during the COVID-19 pandemic.

"I think that the public is going to be shocked as to how much Dr. Fauci can’t recall some of the most important actions and discussions that he had at the time, when the pandemic was on our shores," the Republican AG said in an interview with Fox News Digital. "It is certainly disturbing. "

Can you actually share with us the actual shocking information alleged by Landry?

Conspiracy post reported and removed.  

 

4 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-health-pandemics-united-nations-fcf28a83c9352a67e50aa2172eb01a2f

 

The "underestimated deaths" are based on modeling. But there are no verified statistics that confirm large numbers of excess deaths. The situation is Haiti is the same. Hardly any vaccinations, few deaths.

Is your argument that poverty, poor to nonexistent health care and a low life expectancy prevents Covid?

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

They haven't found one yet. Check if they've published any negative stories about ivermectin.

 

oh, here's one now

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30464-8/fulltext

 

and another

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00630-7/fulltext

 

and another

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanam/article/PIIS2667-193X(21)00085-5/fulltext

 

There's plenty more. Why are you all outraged because they pulled one story which supports your biases?

Come on! This is completely biased! Ivermectin is actually a very efficient treatment!

 

"Remove worms and bots with a single dose of IverCare (ivermectin paste) 1.87%. This convenient paste offers broad-spectrum parasite control and comes in the extended Sure-Grip syringe. Proudly made in the U.S.A., it's the only ivermectin product that treats horses up to 1,500 pounds in a single dose." ????????????????

https://www.farnam.com/all-products/deworming/ivercare

On 12/15/2022 at 7:47 PM, edwardandtubs said:

He said that there are 70 days of protection from infection, he's not sure we needed to administer boosters, and that allowing the virus to spread among younger people so that they can gain natural immunity is a potential way forward.

 

 

Which I believe is what Sweden was going to do till they lost their bottle. I, among others, always thought that was the way to go.

28 minutes ago, candide said:

Come on! This is completely biased! Ivermectin is actually a very efficient treatment!

 

"Remove worms and bots with a single dose of IverCare (ivermectin paste) 1.87%. This convenient paste offers broad-spectrum parasite control and comes in the extended Sure-Grip syringe. Proudly made in the U.S.A., it's the only ivermectin product that treats horses up to 1,500 pounds in a single dose." ????????????????

https://www.farnam.com/all-products/deworming/ivercare

Still wobbling on about that years after, I see. I guess you just can't stop thinking about him.

On 12/15/2022 at 9:03 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Report: COVID-19 vaccines saved US $1.15 trillion, 3 million lives

A Commonwealth Fund study estimates that, through November 2022, COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 18.5 million US hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths and saved the country $1.15 trillion.

 

The modeling study estimated hospitalizations and deaths averted through the end of November 2022, at a time when 80% of the US population had received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine.

...

"Without vaccination the U.S. would have experienced 1.5 times more infections, 3.8 times more hospitalizations, and 4.1 times more deaths," the authors wrote.

 

(more)

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/report-covid-19-vaccines-saved-us-115-trillion-3-million-lives

 

Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths

It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses — 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose — with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths. The swift development of the vaccine, emergency authorization to distribute widely, and rapid rollout have been instrumental in curbing hospitalization and death, while mitigating socioeconomic repercussions of the pandemic.

 

(more)

 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations

 

Significant words being "The modeling study"

On 12/15/2022 at 9:03 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The swift development of the vaccine, emergency authorization to distribute widely, and rapid rollout have been instrumental in curbing hospitalization and death, while mitigating socioeconomic repercussions of the pandemic.

LOL, LOL, LOL.

Anyone think the current economic and societal disasters were "mitigated"?

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Significant words being "The modeling study"

Any idea why modelling is so important and ubiquitous in statistics and the medical profession?

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3775812-fauci-responds-to-desantis-call-for-covid-19-vaccine-investigation/

 

I’m not sure what they’re trying to do down there,” he said.  

“It has been politicized and it has been politicized in a way that has actually cost lives,” Fauci added of the vaccine, calling the COVID-19 virus the “common enemy” that Americans should unite around regardless of party, and in spite of mis- and disinformation.

 

 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL, LOL, LOL.

Anyone think the current economic and societal disasters were "mitigated"?

The world was actually recovering pretty well from COVID until Putin had his brain fart.

6 hours ago, heybruce said:

Is your argument that poverty, poor to nonexistent health care and a low life expectancy prevents Covid?

No, my point was that African countries have low vaccination rates and low covid mortality rates. That's all. And it's untrue that African countries have non-existent healthcare systems. It's just that healthcare is provided at by local grassroots providers rather than by big corporations.

2 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

No, my point was that African countries have low vaccination rates and low covid mortality rates. That's all. And it's untrue that African countries have non-existent healthcare systems. It's just that healthcare is provided at by local grassroots providers rather than by big corporations.

Your point has been refuted by links provided in this thread.

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Significant words being "The modeling study"

What's significant is that you think that "modeling study" invalidates the findings. Modeling has long since proved it's worth in epidemiological analyses. It's a shame that schools teach algebra instead of statistics and probability. There would so much less denialism of science were this the case.

https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Epidemiologic-Modeling.aspx#:~:text=Using Mathematical Modeling in Epidemiology&text=Models of how they progress,social distancing or mass vaccination.)

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What's significant is that you think that "modeling study" invalidates the findings. Modeling has long since proved it's worth in epidemiological analyses. It's a shame that schools teach algebra instead of statistics and probability. There would so much less denialism of science were this the case.

https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Epidemiologic-Modeling.aspx#:~:text=Using Mathematical Modeling in Epidemiology&text=Models of how they progress,social distancing or mass vaccination.)

I went to high school in the 60's and both algebra and statistics were separate units within the double math subject.

 

In the earlier days of computing, everyone was familiar with the term; 'garbage in garbage out'.

 

Mathematical modelling is only of use when the input data is accurate. A few extra here, or miss a few there, gives wildly inaccurate results. Only have to look at the nonsense being spouted by the Imperial College, in the early days of c-19, to see that.

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

 

In the earlier days of computing, everyone was familiar with the term; 'garbage in garbage out'.

 

Mathematical modelling is only of use when the input data is accurate. A few extra here, or miss a few there, gives wildly inaccurate results. Only have to look at the nonsense being spouted by the Imperial College, in the early days of c-19, to see that.

There has since been a huge amount of data. So whatever the validity of the Imperial College projections, it has no relevance to the modeling that followed once the pandemic was widely underway.

2 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

No, my point was that African countries have low vaccination rates and low covid mortality rates. That's all. And it's untrue that African countries have non-existent healthcare systems. It's just that healthcare is provided at by local grassroots providers rather than by big corporations.

The low reported mortality rates are the result of poor data collection.  Tell us more about these "local grassroots providers".  Are they the sort of people you would go to for health care?  Do you think they may have something to do with the low life expectancy in Africa?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_life_expectancy

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Still wobbling on about that years after, I see. I guess you just can't stop thinking about him.

Still not reading the discussions in the thread! ????

 

It's a MAGA poster who introduced the Ivermectin subject in the tread!

 

Having said that, I understand you don't want Trump to be evoked. What an embarrassment!

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3775812-fauci-responds-to-desantis-call-for-covid-19-vaccine-investigation/

 

I’m not sure what they’re trying to do down there,” he said.  

“It has been politicized and it has been politicized in a way that has actually cost lives,” Fauci added of the vaccine, calling the COVID-19 virus the “common enemy” that Americans should unite around regardless of party, and in spite of mis- and disinformation.

 

 

Fauci is right about the stupid politization of this issue!

 

More Republicans than Democrats died after COVID-19 vaccines were available

 

https://www.medicaleconomics.com/view/more-republicans-than-democrats-died-after-covid-19-vaccines-were-available

It seems to be the right wing playbook to salt the fields on the way out the door.

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Your point has been refuted by links provided in this thread.

Here's a NY Times link:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/health/covid-africa-deaths.html

 

What's amazing to me is that the experts on the ground studying this phenomenon can't agree on the causes. But the geniuses on this forum with no expertise at all somehow have all the answers and are completely certain that they are right. It's laughable.

1 minute ago, jaywalker2 said:

Here's a NY Times link:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/health/covid-africa-deaths.html

 

What's amazing to me is that the experts on the ground studying this phenomenon can't agree on the causes. But the geniuses on this forum with no expertise at all somehow have all the answers and are completely certain that they are right. It's laughable.

I made no opinion. I never do on matters that I am not qualified to judge. I just quote the sources I do think are the best qualified and make the most sense. Try playing the ball, not the man. That means addressing the subject matter in the links although I do understand that's anathema in the echo chamber.

51 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It seems to be the right wing playbook to salt the fields on the way out the door.

It's a mixed metaphor but I like it anyway.