Ex-Navy Officer: Warship’s Front Left Hull Was Cracked

[VocalNeal]

7 hours ago, JohnOFphon said:

Does "Col" stand for Colonel? 

If so, that is not a rank anyone would hold if in the Navy....

 

Just saying.

Marines????

[it is what it is]

 

why didn't they put out a mayday call, launch the lifeboats, get in them and wait for rescue?

[Orinoco]

1 hour ago, BritScot said:

Have you ever been involved in a thai goverment check up? A school I worked at would hide half the school when the officials came to inspect due to the school not having the necessary licence.  Plus the several visits I was there for the officials never left the principles office "acepting brown envelopes)...

Yes, Deception, one of cornerstones of Thai society.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

8 hours ago, internationalism said:

Even if she was poorly maintained, she was still passing checkups. 

The checkups would be as bad as the maintenance, if any were done at all.

 

They are also scared to tell the truth here, that the ship would not be fit for service do you reckon a lowly seaman or technician would dare report that to a senior officer?

 

Their flawed culture prohibits it. 

[lungbing]

5 hours ago, it is what it is said:

 

why didn't they put out a mayday call, launch the lifeboats, get in them and wait for rescue?

You are assuming they had lifeboats at all, never mind enough for all the crew.

[VocalNeal]

When one sees pictures of grey warships they don't appear to be festooned with orange lifeboats, regardless of nationality.

[Emdog]

That crack in the hull clearly the result of hitting an iceberg

Thaitanic!

[Liverpool Lou]

On 12/22/2022 at 3:35 AM, Gold Star said:

There must have been something catastrophic that caused the engines to fail

Right from the start it has been reported that there was a failure of the electrical system due to water ingress that then caused the engines to stop, then it was just drifting in the rough sea.

[VocalNeal]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Right from the start it has been reported that there was a failure of the electrical system due to water ingress that then caused the engines to stop, 

Bilge pumps are not automatic. You have to wait until it is dark???? So if no one was on the ball. 

[Liverpool Lou]

12 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

15 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Right from the start it has been reported that there was a failure of the electrical system due to water ingress that then caused the engines to stop, 

Bilge pumps are not automatic. You have to wait until it is dark???? So if no one was on the ball. 

Right over my head, I'm afraid.   I quoted what has been reported, that's all.

[HappyExpat57]

Translated to "Navy-ese" - forward port.

 

Front left. Jeezuz . . .

[spidermike007]

Admiral Choengchai Chomchoengpaet, the head of the navy, the vice admiral, and the captain of the ship should all be fired and court martialed for malfeasance. The lack of life preservers was so mickey mouse, such bad form and unforgivable. It is the responsibility of the captain, to make sure a navy boat is safe, before it leaves port. This is a crime against his soldiers, who depend on him with their lives. It is very possible many of these young men could have survived with that equipment. Lock all 3 of these Navy brass creeps up. 

Edited December 23, 2022 by spidermike007

[connda]

On 12/22/2022 at 6:15 AM, realfunster said:

As he himself mentions, as a 'closed' ship, if protocols are properly followed then it should be extremely difficult to sink, even with a cracked hull at the "front ,left side".

Where were the Hull Technicians?  Were there any trained Hull Techs aboard?

[billd766]

On 12/22/2022 at 8:47 AM, internationalism said:

Probably his title was mistranslated.

The original is in thai.

Likely she hit a submerged container. Still, doesn't explain why she sunk. And that's this officer is pointing to - how engines were disabled by water at the front of ship. 
Even if she was poorly maintained, she was still passing checkups. 
So something dramatic happened followed by bad captain's decisions. 
Certainly there was ample time to rescue all marines, before she sunk. She was sinking for over 6h

My best guess from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ranks_of_the_Thai_armed_forces#Officers_2

 

is that the Navy equivalent of Colonel is the rank of Captain.

 

In the RTAF the equivalent rank would be Group Captain.

[Sir Dude]

"A FORMER NAVY officer said today (Dec. 21) that a fellow sailor who survived the sinking of HTMS 442 Sukhothai told him that the front left hull of the warship was cracked and........."

 

[moe666]

On 12/22/2022 at 7:06 AM, HuskerDo2 said:

"Of course, it is quite possible any hull crack developed after the power and control of the vessel was lost.".... yes, of course, it just "developed". You didn't run into anything right? Modern naval ships built in the US just don't "develop" cracks in the hull. Let's try again with a better excuse this time. Maybe the truth.

Modern ships can develope cracks in the hull, I was stationed aboard one for 1 year. The USS racine LST-1191. After the ship was excepted by the Navy we sailed to Long Beach ship yard for a 2 month yard period were the bow of the ship was reenforced due to weakness discovered by earlier ships of the same class.

Most of the negative post is the typical Thai bashing by some of the posters here. They are saying things about something they know nothing about, if they were aboard this ship when it sunk then maybe they would know what happen. Wait until the official report comes out but until then you know nothing about this ship and its crew

[mackayae]

I wonder why they would sail with a cracked hull.

[Pmbkk]

 

I hope the Thai's adopt the American pastime of suing for any reason... 

 

Including deaths must be worth billions..

[HuskerDo2]

4 hours ago, moe666 said:

Modern ships can develope cracks in the hull, I was stationed aboard one for 1 year. The USS racine LST-1191. After the ship was excepted by the Navy we sailed to Long Beach ship yard for a 2 month yard period were the bow of the ship was reenforced due to weakness discovered by earlier ships of the same class.

Most of the negative post is the typical Thai bashing by some of the posters here. They are saying things about something they know nothing about, if they were aboard this ship when it sunk then maybe they would know what happen. Wait until the official report comes out but until then you know nothing about this ship and its crew

"Wait until the official report comes out ".... yes, of course, I'm quite sure it'll be honest and accurate and not be worded in such a way as to cover certain people's backsides and pass blame elsewhere. 

[ballpoint]

The front fell off.

 

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

AMM on Twittter reporting more personnel were brought on board for a 'ceremony' just before the ship sunk.

[Mr Meeseeks]

7 hours ago, moe666 said:

Most of the negative post is the typical Thai bashing by some of the posters here. They are saying things about something they know nothing about, if they were aboard this ship when it sunk then maybe they would know what happen. Wait until the official report comes out but until then you know nothing about this ship and its crew

Is the ex-naval officer who is stating the hull was cracked also "saying things about something he knows nothing about"? ????

[KhaoNiaw]

7 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

AMM on Twittter reporting more personnel were brought on board for a 'ceremony' just before the ship sunk.

That's been known since the first reports. That's why there were so many board and why the ship was making the journey. 

Edited December 23, 2022 by KhaoNiaw

[Jaybott]

17 hours ago, HuskerDo2 said:

"Wait until the official report comes out ".... yes, of course, I'm quite sure it'll be honest and accurate and not be worded in such a way as to cover certain people's backsides and pass blame elsewhere. 

When will that happen?  Aren't we still waiting on the official report for the Mountain B disaster.