Is Thailand ready for EV,s

[DUNROAMIN]

Is Thailand ready for EV's (Electric Vehicle), I think not. If Australian Fire and Rescue has been caught short on management of EV fires, sure as hell Thailand would not have a clue. If you own or are thinking of buying an EV, car, scooter or any mode of transport with Lithium ion batteries, watch this video and you may learn something that could save your life. Sorry about the add at the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhHQ202FZtU

 

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

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[transam]

Indeed, I think that is common knowledge, ol' chum.....

[Tubulat]

Yes I'm afraid too.

Last week I took out insurance on my house because of lithium batteries as a result of solar cells on the roof.

The batteries are placed outside under the carport but something can always happen.

[DUNROAMIN]

21 hours ago, transam said:

Indeed, I think that is common knowledge, ol' chum.....

Yes true for educated people. A lot a people have not got a clue about electric vehicles.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, DUNROAMIN said:

Yes true for educated people. A lot a people have not got a clue about electric vehicles.

How true, and those with an EV tend to brush under the carpet any mention of possible trouble. But the evidence is out there that it could happen to them.....????

 

 

[jerrytr]

No gas fires I suppose. How many people burn to death. How many transport of fuel fires. I think the studies have been don already by qualified professionals to debunk. Not saying there are no fires but in comparison a fraction of vehicle percentages. Comparatively speaking. How many oil spills. Lithium batteries are allowed on airplanes. Besides there are way too many manufacturers creating less to no volatile batteries now. 

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On 3/17/2023 at 1:28 PM, DUNROAMIN said:

Yes true for educated people. A lot a people have not got a clue about electric vehicles.

Educated or alarmist?

But experts note all vehicles use concentrated power sources — whether gasoline, diesel or electricity — making them all vulnerable to ignition. 

Statistics compiled by AutoInsuranceEZ found that for every 100,000 EVs, there are about 25 fires each year. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2022/10/26/electric-vehicle-fires-florida-flooding-what-happened/10553207002/#:~:text=But experts note all vehicles,about 25 fires each year.

 

 What's more, LFP batteries  are rapidly growing in popularity

EV Battery Market: LFP Chemistry Reached 31% Share In September

https://insideevs.com/news/628303/ev-battery-lfp-share-september2022/

 

And they are far less likely to burn than Lithium batteries formulated with cobalt and either nickel or aluminium.

LiFePO4 Batteries: The Future of All Vehicles

LFP batteries are thermally and chemically stable; hence they are less likely to explode or catch fire. LFP produces one-sixth the heat of nickel-rich NMC. Because the Co-O bond is stronger in LFP batteries, oxygen atoms are released more slowly if short-circuited or overheated. F

https://borates.today/lifepo4-batteries-vehicles/

 

And, finally, lithium batteries are still in early days. Thermal management systems are constantly improving. ICE vehicles have been around for over a hundred years. I don't think there's much room left for improving there susceptibility to fires.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666202722000350

[indyo]

for safety lifepo4 batteries are better than li-ion

[KhunLA]

52 minutes ago, indyo said:

for safety lifepo4 batteries are better than li-ion

That's why we bought an EV using LFP batteries, and same with our solar system's ESSs.  Even my E-MB & ebike use them.

 

I always wait till new tech works the kinks out, and newer tech is too far away to wait for.  Just a wee bit of research points these things out.

 

Or, you can be the first to experiment.

 

Linked article above points out, a wee bit of common sense, 'keep your batteries dry' ???? goes a long way.  Put that down to 'user error', as most things are.

 

This isn't rocket science.   I wouldn't park in or drive my ICE through flood water either.

Edited March 17, 2023 by KhunLA

[Purdey]

Not going to buy one while Thailand partially generates electricity with coal fired generators. And so few charge points. 

[KhunLA]

10 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Not going to buy one while Thailand partially generates electricity with coal fired generators. And so few charge points. 

CSs per EVs on the road, and TH is way ahead of most western countries, and most countries burn coal, so I guess you'll never own.   TH's energy mostly comes from natural gas.   

 

Try again ... after you research, for a better excuse:

 

Only a blind person can't find a CS in TH and hopefully, they aren't driving:

 

Edited March 17, 2023 by KhunLA

[Purdey]

Just now, KhunLA said:

CSs per EVs on the road, and TH is way ahead of most western countries, and most countries burn coal, so I guess you'll never own.   TH's energy mostly comes from natural gas.   

 

Try again ... after you research, for a better excuse:

The govt plans to add 4 more coal fired plants by 2034....

It has dumped its emissions reduction targets. 

[KhunLA]

10 minutes ago, Purdey said:

The govt plans to add 4 more coal fired plants by 2034....

It has dumped its emissions reduction targets. 

You better turn off all your electric appliances or move out of TH, as you wouldn't want to support that type of energy production.  But please, keep polluting with you ICE, and hope you're not one to complain about the smog you generate.

 

For clarification, 2 of the 4, are generators, to be added to the 10 generators already at Mae Moh, coal plant/mine area.

 

The other 2, yet to be approved, or location decided on.   Don't give them much hope of being built.

 

But hey ... 4 new coal fired plants sounds better, for your spin.

 

Troll On ...

Edited March 17, 2023 by KhunLA

[Purdey]

39 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

For clarification, 2 of the 4, are generators, to be added to the 10 generators already at Mae Moh, coal plant/mine area.

Yes well, you might enjoy this but I don't.

https://news.mongabay.com/2022/10/thailand-bets-on-coal-despite-long-losing-streak-for-communities/

PS, agreed that natural gas is better than coal but coal produces so much carbon that the number of natural gas plants has to increase by a lot more.

Pounds of CO2 emitted per million British thermal units (Btu) of energy for various fuels

Coal (anthracite) 228.6
Coal (bituminous) 205.7
Natural gas 117.0

 

Source: eia.gov

Edited March 17, 2023 by Purdey

[DJ54]

The US has had some incidents with EV batteries and not easily extinguished. Hopefully short term they’ll be a “how to” extinguish for everyone who migh incur a fire. 
 

from an infrastructure standpoint most countries aren’t prepared to supply the.need fir chargers.

 

EV a great for those who want them but make sure to plan accordingly…

[KhunLA]

52 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Yes well, you might enjoy this but I don't.

https://news.mongabay.com/2022/10/thailand-bets-on-coal-despite-long-losing-streak-for-communities/

I guess you never heard of 'photoshop'

 

 

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mae+Moh+Power+Plant/@18.29415,99.7555909,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipM4q5fBjSxRiAq9gg-URZvU8BoT7Br8fDKNUnjN!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipM4q5fBjSxRiAq9gg-URZvU8BoT7Br8fDKNUnjN%3Dw152-h86-k-no!7i1435!8i807!4m6!3m5!1s0x30d91a4107f2be7d:0xa6ae446b648ff034!8m2!3d18.29415!4d99.7555909!16s%2Fg%2F124yp1ct5

Edited March 17, 2023 by KhunLA

[KhunLA]

30 minutes ago, DJ54 said:

The US has had some incidents with EV batteries and not easily extinguished. Hopefully short term they’ll be a “how to” extinguish for everyone who migh incur a fire. 
 

from an infrastructure standpoint most countries aren’t prepared to supply the.need fir chargers.

 

EV a great for those who want them but make sure to plan accordingly…

How to is quite easy ... cut the fuel, or cut the air.   Didn't we learn that in high school ?

 

again, it's not rocket science:

 

Edited March 17, 2023 by KhunLA

[transam]

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

How to is quite easy ... cut the fuel, or cut the air.   Didn't we learn that in high school ?

 

again, it's not rocket science:

 

An incredibly quick ignition from an EV battery, imagine having 2 kids strapped in kiddy seats in the back of that.....????

[KhunLA]

That blackened sky photo above, is from 'greenpeace' ....

... notorious for fake news ... nuff said

 

Most negative photo I could find, and what most you are seeing, is steam.   Which most eco warriors post, when trying to make something look bad. 

 

Not saying coal burning is good, but it is what it is ... not what fake photos show.   But until TH goes all solar/hydro, you get what you get.

[3NUMBAS]

in the uk ev buyers are not  happy  as range anxiety is still as bad as ever even with  multiplying chargers everywhere..you cant go  carefree anywhere as you have to carefully plan each trip and cold weather affects batts to give less range ,you dare not turn on the heater or put your foot down

[macahoom]

32 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

in the uk ev buyers are not  happy  as range anxiety is still as bad as ever even with  multiplying chargers everywhere..you cant go  carefree anywhere as you have to carefully plan each trip and cold weather affects batts to give less range ,you dare not turn on the heater or put your foot down

Did you bother to read the title of this thread? No, I didn't think so.

[Dan747]

EV's "NO"-Waiting on Hydrogen!!

[JBChiangRai]

Some utter nonsense here.

 

We have 3 EV's with 0 issues.

[transam]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

Some utter nonsense here.

 

We have 3 EV's with 0 issues.

Some folk don't use 3 pin earthed electric plugs because they never had a problem.....................????

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Some folk don't use 3 pin earthed electric plugs because they never had a problem.....................????

Everyone knows electricity is different in Thailand, no earth required (sic)

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5 hours ago, transam said:

Some folk don't use 3 pin earthed electric plugs because they never had a problem.....................????

"But experts note all vehicles use concentrated power sources — whether gasoline, diesel or electricity — making them all vulnerable to ignition. 

Statistics compiled by AutoInsuranceEZ found that for every 100,000 EVs, there are about 25 fires each year. That compares to 1,530 car fires in the same number of gas-powered vehicles annually."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2022/10/26/electric-vehicle-fires-florida-flooding-what-happened/10553207002/

So it's only about 61 times more likely that an ICE vehicle will burn than an EV. Gotta love them odds!

[KhunLA]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

"But experts note all vehicles use concentrated power sources — whether gasoline, diesel or electricity — making them all vulnerable to ignition. 

Statistics compiled by AutoInsuranceEZ found that for every 100,000 EVs, there are about 25 fires each year. That compares to 1,530 car fires in the same number of gas-powered vehicles annually."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2022/10/26/electric-vehicle-fires-florida-flooding-what-happened/10553207002/

So it's only about 61 times more likely that an ICE vehicle will burn than an EV. Gotta love them odds!

Wish they would, (didn't read), state if the car fire was reported by the owner, or the police, after a 'stolen' car was found.  

 

1500+ sounds extremely high.  So do inspect your ICE for leaks.

 

OK, did read it, (slight edit) and just another EV hit piece.   ICE fires from crashes and poor maintenance, but the piece only talks about EVs.

 

With higher number of ICE fires, you'd think it would discuss inspection of fuel lines for leaks.

[transam]

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

"But experts note all vehicles use concentrated power sources — whether gasoline, diesel or electricity — making them all vulnerable to ignition. 

Statistics compiled by AutoInsuranceEZ found that for every 100,000 EVs, there are about 25 fires each year. That compares to 1,530 car fires in the same number of gas-powered vehicles annually."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2022/10/26/electric-vehicle-fires-florida-flooding-what-happened/10553207002/

So it's only about 61 times more likely that an ICE vehicle will burn than an EV. Gotta love them odds!

Yes, but a very different type of fire with an EV....The vids are out there ....????