Dual pricing swimming pool

[Liverpool Lou]

1 minute ago, ikke1959 said:

17 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What makes you think that he's "a citizen of Thailand" when he's complaining about fees for foreigners?  If he's a Thai citizen hell be paying Thai prices.

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I am a citizen of Thailand now , but I don't have the nationality....

Really?  How does that work, then?  If you're a Thai citizen you do have Thai nationality and a Thai ID card.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

Really?  How does that work, then?  If you're a Thai citizen you do have Thai nationality and a Thai ID card.

He may have meant ‘resident’....  (and just used the wrong word).... 

[Liverpool Lou]

Just now, ikke1959 said:

What would happen if Thais are being double priced in a western country????

They're not, so hypotheticals it don't matter.   It's probably illegal in western countries, anyway, it's not here.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

He may have meant ‘resident’....  (and just used the wrong word).... 

I guessed that; he probably means that he lives/works here on a visa but he did specifically state that he's a Thai citizen, hence my comment.

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Ok, I missed that but it doesn't make any difference to the OP's circumstance.

Agreed... it just proves that as a foreigner, the Op is being asked to pay 10x the Thai Price. 

 

The price itself is not a big deal and we are all familiar with dual pricing and often have to just ‘go along with it’ to avoid having our day ruined.... but, it doesn't mean we have to like it.

[Liverpool Lou]

8 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

I am a citizen of Thailand now , but I don't have the nationality.... and I pay taxes here and I am still threated as a foreigner, with double pricing

We all pay tax here, that doesn't make us citizens.   If you are a foreigner, which you are, why would you expect to be treated as a Thai?.

[Wobblybob]

22 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

We know.  But it's not illegal here.

That is a moot point, might be like most things in Thailand the laws just never get enforced. Take this as you will.

 

Dual pricing started in the 60s when many high-end items were priced higher for foreign tourists.

This was mainly due to the so-called “thirsty foreigner” phenomenon where a certain number of tourists would spend more money on goods and services than the locals, who were not obligated to pay such high prices.

This practice was banned in the 70s and has been illegal ever since.

 

https://ideapod.com/what-is-dual-pricing-in-thailand/#:~:text=In Thailand%2C many products have,if you are not careful.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

11 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

I am a citizen of Thailand now , but I don't have the nationality.... and I pay taxes here and I am still threated as a foreigner, with double pricing

We all pay tax here, that doesn't make us citizens.   If you are a foreigner, which you are, why would you expect to be treated as a Thai?.

Perhaps as a resident, ikke1959 expects to be treated with a degree of equality with regards to pricing - I completely support that expectation and I expect the same level of equality living here. 

 

This is not the same as ‘price gouging’ of tourists which happens everywhere. This issue involves a ‘resident' of Thailand being charged extra because he is not of Thai nationality. Meanwhile in many of our home nations any ‘resident’ no matter their nationality receives the same rates as national residents and face no pricing discrimination whatsoever. 

 

 

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Perhaps as a resident, ikke1959 expects to be treated with a degree of equality with regards to pricing - I completely support that expectation and I expect the same level of equality living here. 

As do I, I agree with you.  We can expect.

[papa al]

3 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

Also age discrimination.

5-year olds pay ฿150 but 61-year olds pay just ฿80 for 1.5 hours.

Sickening !

[Liverpool Lou]

30 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

59 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

We know.  But it's not illegal here.

That is a moot point, might be like most things in Thailand the laws just never get enforced. Take this as you will.

I don't condone it but I do not think that it is moot. Just because that forum says it's illegal but shows nothing to back it up, doesn't mean that it is illegal.   

https://ideapod.com/what-is-dual-pricing-in-thailand/#:~:text=In Thailand%2C many products have,if you are not careful.

 

For example, dual pricing has been legal in Thailand for public hospitals for some time, they have three official Tiers of charging for Thais, expats and retirees so there's no reason to assume that dual pricing elsewhere isn't legal either...

https://www.pacificprime.co.th/blog/dual-pricing-at-thai-public-hospitals-and-the-implications-on-foreigners/

Edited March 22, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[Mickeymaus]

"Up to 61" That means if you are older it is free? 

[Goat]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

You don’t get it... its not about the money at all.... It's about the underlying discriminatory attitude that such behaviour expresses.

You come from a country where you are allowed to come to Thailand without having to apply for a visa with all the costs that comes with it. Jump on a plane and arrive today if you choose. Yes or no?

 

Can a Thai go to your country without a visa? Or must they travel to your embassy in Bangkok, which for many is hundreds of miles away from where they live, fill out a bunch of stupid forms about their living circumstances, bank accounts, then have an interview and pay a whole lot of non refundable application fees in the hope they might be "approved". 

Impossible to go to the pool if they are not even allowed entry into your country. 

 

YT complaining about "discrimination" over $10 is pretty pathetic.

What are you doing about the discrimination of Thais by your country? Zilch. I can go to your country without a visa. My Thai friends cant. Is that discrimination not worse? 

 

We are allowed to come over here and live and work if we choose. Just show up on a tourist visa and take it from there. Thais are discriminated against and have no such rights or options.

 

The other good thiing about Thailand is they have many airports. If you dont like it you can leave any time you want. 

[Doctor Tom]

2 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

What would happen if Thais are being double priced in a western country????

Oh dear.  We are Thailand, not in a Western country, deal with it. 

[Metapod]

i used to play tennis there and the court was 30 thb an hour. now its 240thb an hour. not worth it.

[chuang]

Can't afford the swimming pools...use the canals there are tons of them, it's free..

[ikke1959]

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Really?  How does that work, then?  If you're a Thai citizen you do have Thai nationality and a Thai ID card.

clearly no clue what you are talking about.....

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, Goat said:

You come from a country where you are allowed to come to Thailand without having to apply for a visa with all the costs that comes with it. Jump on a plane and arrive today if you choose. Yes or no?

As I said.. holes can be picked in every single argument and example someone used to justify dual pricing. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Goat said:

Can a Thai go to your country without a visa? Or must they travel to your embassy in Bangkok, which for many is hundreds of miles away from where they live, fill out a bunch of stupid forms about their living circumstances, bank accounts, then have an interview and pay a whole lot of non refundable application fees in the hope they might be "approved". 

Impossible to go to the pool if they are not even allowed entry into your country. 

My Wife holds a 10 year UK Visa... I think the cost was about 35,000 baht. 

I hold the same in Thailand, it cost me 1 million baht.

My Wife can get ILR, then citizenship in the UK if we move there - I can’t in Thailand (as I don’t work here).

 

And while are you using Visa free entry to countries... can you get in Laos or Vietnam without a visa ? a Thai can. 

 

When picking ‘visa and entry requirements’ you have not used a very intelligent example to justify dual pricing and have failed to understand the underlying socio-economic necessity for entry requirements of those in poorer nations to those in wealthier nations - IF there is any discrimination, its not on a national basis, but on an economic basis whereby Thai’s have to proof a balance of probability that they will not abuse the social welfare system of the country they are visiting, as Thailand has no such social welfare system there is no burden of proof on visiting foreigners from wealthier nations. 

 

2 hours ago, Goat said:

YT complaining about "discrimination" over $10 is pretty pathetic.

Because you can’t understand principle and view this issue with myopic limitation. 

 

2 hours ago, Goat said:

What are you doing about the discrimination of Thais by your country? Zilch. I can go to your country without a visa. My Thai friends cant. Is that discrimination not worse? 

You are wholly misinformed - Where is there any discrimination against Thai’s in my country ?

In the UK my Wife has far more rights than I ever will in Thailand.

 

 

2 hours ago, Goat said:

We are allowed to come over here and live and work if we choose. Just show up on a tourist visa and take it from there. Thais are discriminated against and have no such rights or options.

No we are not.

A foreigner can only work in Thailand IF they have a work permit - we have to apply for that, just as a Thai would in the UK.

 

Additionally, every single person married to a British Citizen can work in the UK as soon as they have have ILR (which takes approximately 6 weeks if applying within country and IF financial burden conditions are met - such as minimum income or savings of sponsor (i.e. husband).

Thais also get full national health care coverage (after paying the Immigration health surcharge). 

 

None of this is available to foreigners moving to Thailand unless they enter with work visas or apply for a work visa after entry (they still have to depart and re-enter with said work visa !).

 

You clearly do not know anything of these rights you claim. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Goat said:

The other good thiing about Thailand is they have many airports. If you dont like it you can leave any time you want. 

you mean... 'If you don’t like it go back home’ ..... 

... the response of the intellectually challenge who think they are being clever !!! 

 

You clearly lack the depth of thought process to cover the the comparisons when cherry picking your examples.

[richard_smith237]

26 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Really?  How does that work, then?  If you're a Thai citizen you do have Thai nationality and a Thai ID card.

clearly no clue what you are talking about.....

I tried to help you out and assumed you use the wrong word and meant resident and not citizen. 

 

You are not a citizen of Thailand unless you hold ‘citizenship’... i.e. you’d have to hold National Thai Identification (i.e Blue Thai ID card) to be considered a Thai Citizen. 

 

Even someone with PR status is not a Thai Citizen. 

 

So.. ikke1959...  What makes YOU think you are a Thai citizen ?

[CG1 Blue]

Median wealth per country:

 

UK                  $141,000 

US                  $93,000 

Switzerland   $168,000 

Germany       $60,000

France           $139,000

 

Thailand        $8,000

 

I see it as helping their own citizens while trying to stay profitable, rather than penalising foreigners.

 

As long as the price is reasonable for me that's fine, and 300 baht is a bargain! Why get so hung up on these things? 

 

[gomangosteen]

3 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

What would happen if Thais are being double priced in a western country????

We've encountered 'foreigner' prices in Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia. HAsn't upset any of our Thai companions.

 

Back to the pool - wonderful complex in our little town set in an exercise park; pool entry for me is 20B, indoor gym also 20B, outdoors gym etc free.

 

I'm not in the least outraged that the family pay 10B. When I work offshore my base rate is 1700B/hr, minus tax, I think a minute's work for a swim is reasonable.

Edited March 22, 2023 by gomangosteen

[Elkski]

The US needs to charge Thai people 10x to enter national parks.   I mean only HiSo can afford to come and get a visa so they must have the money.   Disney should do the same as should all businesses.   

[Goat]

33 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

My Wife holds a 10 year UK Visa... I think the cost was about 35,000 baht. 

I hold the same in Thailand, it cost me 1 million baht.

She got it because she is married to you. Special case. 

Most Thais dont want to have sex with a farang to go on a holiday to the UK. It is a racist policy, but doesnt suit your "victimised" narrative so you will continue to ignore the reality.

 

If you marry a Thai, the fee is less than the 35,000 baht. 

[Felt 35]

How is that swimming pool? I haven't been to Lumpini Park since November 2019 as I don't live in Bangkok permanent, but when I am there a walk/run in Lumpini Park is my first leisure goal. At the time I couldn't remember to had seen a swimming pool in Lumpini before but is it good and is lap swimming possible without noise, screaming and others who are not familiar with swimming pool etiquette? Btw, discrimination is discrimination no matter what it is about.

Felt

[richard_smith237]

10 minutes ago, Goat said:

47 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

My Wife holds a 10 year UK Visa... I think the cost was about 35,000 baht. 

I hold the same in Thailand, it cost me 1 million baht.

She got it because she is married to you. Special case. 

Most Thais dont want to have sex with a farang to go on a holiday to the UK. It is a racist policy, but doesnt suit your "victimised" narrative so you will continue to ignore the reality.

No its not a special case... It's comparing like for like to counter the ‘visa example’ you used.

 

You Cherry picked the ‘visa’ example to imply that Thai’s are charged unfairly (unequally) for visas to the the West, whereby westerners are not charged for entry to Thailand. 

 

I countered with an equally cherry picked example whereby the tables were turned and it is more costly to have a visa for Thailand. 

 

The reality is there are is a whole multitude of different visas for entry and to remain in each either country, many more examples could be cherry picked to represent both sides of our argument - as such using the ‘visa argument’ to justify dual pricing in Thailand presents a very weak argument which is easily picked apart. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Goat said:

If you marry a Thai, the fee is less than the 35,000 baht. 

Is it ???... Tell me where you get this 10 year visa from for Thailand ???

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

19 minutes ago, Goat said:

Most Thais dont want to have sex with a farang to go on a holiday to the UK. It is a racist policy, but doesnt suit your "victimised" narrative so you will continue to ignore the reality.

Racist ???... Visa charges are not appleid on Race at all. 

Those of Thai origins who live in developed (G8 nations) can enter the UK more easily. 

Visa policy are based purely on socio-economic and not race at all... In suggesting so you have highlighted that you really do not understand that at all. 

 

There is no ‘victim narrative’ at all, you are now throwing out such claims to bolster your extremely weak and flawed argument to justify dual-pricing. 

 

Dual pricing is wrong, there is no argument that can be used to justify that it isn’t wrong. 

Even IF dual pricing were practiced elsewhere, that does not justify its use in Thailand or anywhere else... But, the common mistakes people make when trying to argue from a Thai apologist point of view is to present arguments which are fundamentally flawed... as flawed as your visa argument. 

 

 

[BritManToo]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Visa policy are based purely on socio-economic and not race at all... In suggesting so you have highlighted that you really do not understand that at all. 

Visa for China

25GBP in ChiangMai, 125GBP in London.

[ikke1959]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

I tried to help you out and assumed you use the wrong word and meant resident and not citizen. 

 

You are not a citizen of Thailand unless you hold ‘citizenship’... i.e. you’d have to hold National Thai Identification (i.e Blue Thai ID card) to be considered a Thai Citizen. 

 

Even someone with PR status is not a Thai Citizen. 

 

So.. ikke1959...  What makes YOU think you are a Thai citizen ?

Ok mu mistake I am not a citizen, but a resident.... although not even that as it is after 17 years still impossible to get a pink id card/yellow book. Al the time they change ... first years not possible, than only when you are married, and than a copy of your passport translated, and now only a certified copied translated and certified by the Ministry.... I have given up and I am not registered at all.. but I pay every year my taxes here, they fill in my papers for my pension, they all know me as I live in the same city, but a pink id....... impossible.... So I feel I am a citizen correction resident, but  not in paperwork  

[richard_smith237]

26 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Visa for China

25GBP in ChiangMai, 125GBP in London.

And ???...    

 

I don’t see that as dual pricing as a Thai applying for a Chinese Visa in London would be paying the same. 

 

The difference in costs can be explained by the difference in overheads with London being significantly higher in London than Chiang Mai... And / Or there are likely bilateral agreements in place. 

 

The points brought up about visa’s are not relevant to dual pricing arguments, in justification for or against dual pricing.

[soi3eddie]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

The Op also also provided the link where it shows Thai’s adults are charged 15 Baht. 

Thanks. But he only posted that after I asked.