Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 3 hours ago, 2baht said: Falsifying documents in regard to payments made through Cohen to Stormy Daniels. Please do some research! The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer. Plenty of wiggle room in this case. I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said: Ok, alleged (although I doubt if any person, even a MAGA enthusiast really thinks he didn't do this). But yeah, if it makes you happy 'alleged'. Thank you for admitting that, but I think there is enough reasonable doubt for an acquittal. However, it could be a year or more before it gets to a verdict, so I'm not holding my breath. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post expat_4_life Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 Trump has been subjected to the most aggressive, well-financed, open-ended investigation in history by the DOJ, state AGs, private investigators, media orgs, and weaponized Five Eyes intel agencies, and all they found were allegations of paying a former mistress to keep quiet. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 minute ago, expat_4_life said: Trump has been subjected to the most aggressive, well-financed, open-ended investigation in history by the DOJ, state AGs, private investigators, media orgs, and weaponized Five Eyes intel agencies, and all they found were allegations of paying a former mistress to keep quiet. LOL. He could sell T shirts saying "They tried to convict me of something and all they got was Stormy". 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pink Mist Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 30 minutes ago, vandeventer said: Even if you are right, felony charges have a time limit of 5 years and this happen 7 years ago. So why go after Trump now? are all you Dems. scared he will win in 2024? Or are you just full of hate? Please do some research. I will not do it for you anymore. Certain States have different time limits as you state in your post, yet certain States have what is called Tolling and certain crimes due to certain factors can have the pause button pushed to stop the countdown of time and then restart the time later. These charges Trump is facing are not class A felonies where there is no time limit in New York. However, the mitigating circumstances such as not being able to charge a sitting president activate the Tolling issue and stop the time. Basically the charging time will have started upon his leaving office. Yet that will be brought up in pre-trial events with the judge. Until then he has been arrested and indicted. https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/criminal-statute-limitations-time-limits.html In other jurisdictions, states rely on a classification system for felonies and utilize that in administering the statutes of limitations laws. For instance, New York does not have a statute of limitations for first-degree murder, rape, and Class A felonies. Beyond that, their statutes of limitations are complex and depend on the particular set of circumstances in each case. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LosLobo Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, vandeventer said: Did you know that the judge worked for VP Harris's daughter? so he should have excused himself? I have not analysed that yet as it is only recent ! But almost a year ago, Roe Vs Wade was overturned with the help of GOP appointed Justice Clarence Thomas whose wife is an anti-abortion activist. Should he have excused himself? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer. Plenty of wiggle room in this case. I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result. Even despite Trump's contention that no money from his campaign was used to pay off Daniel, he still broke the campaign finance laws by failing to declare the secret payment to the Federal Election Commission. No debt to Cohen was listed on Trump's personal financial disclosure form which was certified on 16 June 2017. The wiggle room getting exceedingly tight. Not guilty may be a distant drum. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 imagine if this does not work out right. i wonder what the excuses will be. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Eric Loh said: he still broke the campaign finance laws by failing to declare the secret payment to the Federal Election Commission wait you still believe there are clean politicians out there ? o man that is so awesome. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer. Plenty of wiggle room in this case. I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result. No its not, there is plenty of factual evidence and its not just about Stormy. Where is the link to your claim there is not? The defendant referred to below is obviously Trump. STATEMENT OF FACTS In a conversation captured in an audio recording in approximately September 2016 concerning Woman 1’s account, the Defendant and Lawyer A discussed how to obtain the rights to Woman 1’s account from AMI and how to reimburse AMI for its payment. Lawyer A told the Defendant he would open up a company for the transfer of Woman 1’s account and other information, and stated that he had spoken to the Chief Financial Officer for the Trump Organization (the “TO CFO”) about “how to set the whole thing up.” The Defendant asked, “So what do we got to pay for this? One fifty?” and suggested paying by cash. When Lawyer A disagreed, the Defendant then mentioned payment by check. After the conversation, Lawyer A created a shell company called Resolution Consultants, LLC on or about September 30, 2016. https://www.manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-SOF.pdf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salerno Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, LosLobo said: I have not analysed that yet as it is only recent ! I wouldn't bother as it's <deleted>. The judge never worked for the VP nor her step-daughter who is only 23. The judge's daughter has been involved in left-leaning campaigns, including some work on the VP's campaign. Edited April 5, 2023 by Salerno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer. Plenty of wiggle room in this case. I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result. Do you think they'll give him back the stolen election? ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosLobo Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, Pink Mist said: Please do some research. I will not do it for you anymore. Certain States have different time limits as you state in your post, yet certain States have what is called Tolling and certain crimes due to certain factors can have the pause button pushed to stop the countdown of time and then restart the time later. These charges Trump is facing are not class A felonies where there is no time limit in New York. However, the mitigating circumstances such as not being able to charge a sitting president activate the Tolling issue and stop the time. Basically the charging time will have started upon his leaving office. Yet that will be brought up in pre-trial events with the judge. Until then he has been arrested and indicted. https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/criminal-statute-limitations-time-limits.html In other jurisdictions, states rely on a classification system for felonies and utilize that in administering the statutes of limitations laws. For instance, New York does not have a statute of limitations for first-degree murder, rape, and Class A felonies. Beyond that, their statutes of limitations are complex and depend on the particular set of circumstances in each case. This is a complex issue with an aggregate of reasons, mainly based on Trump's time in the State. I suggest a summary of why the Statute may have be extended for Trump : 1) Trump's time in White House 2) Covid epidemic paused a lot of criminal cases 3) Trump officially moved residence from NY, I would suggest to avoid legal jeopardy, a move which I think bit him in the a** in this case. Trump's time in White House could end up benefiting New York prosecutors | CNN Politics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 minute ago, stoner said: wait you still believe there are clean politicians out there ? o man that is so awesome. Not sure about clean politicians but Trump is blatantly corrupt as a civilian and in office. His epic underhandedness is too lengthy to be recounted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vandeventer Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 46 minutes ago, gargamon said: The “teflon“ don has turned into the “velcro“ don. After a lifetime of weaseling out of his legal problems it looks like everything is now going to stick. This is only the beginning. The chickens are coming home to roost. So if Trump gets 4 years for each felony charge he should be getting out of jail when he is 212 years old. Now does this seem fair to you for a paperwork mistake with no underline crime? 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Longwood50 Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 Alan Dershowitz Alan Morton Dershowitz is an American lawyer and former law professor known for his work in U.S. constitutional law and American criminal law. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Longwood50 said: Alan Dershowitz Alan Morton Dershowitz is an American lawyer and former law professor known for his work in U.S. constitutional law and American criminal law. Alan Dershowitz should have done some research first: New York Supreme Court Judge Allows Public Disclosure of Trump Indictment On March 31, the New York County Clerk’s office released an order by New York Supreme Court Judge Juan Merchan allowing Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg to disclose to the public that a Manhattan grand jury had issued an indictment of former President Donald Trump. You can read the order here or below: https://www.lawfareblog.com/new-york-supreme-court-judge-allows-public-disclosure-trump-indictment 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 45 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer. Plenty of wiggle room in this case. I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result. Let me correct you, the only factual evidence you’ve seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pink Mist Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 hour ago, vandeventer said: Did you know that the judge worked for VP Harris's daughter? so he should have excused himself? Please explain why the judge needs to recuse himself as far as this case is concerned. He has no vested interest as to the outcome. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_disqualification#:~:text=The judge has personal or,or she cannot act impartially. Laws or court rules provide the recusal of judges. Although the details vary, the following are nearly universal grounds for recusal. The judge is related to a party, attorney, or spouse of either party (usually) within three degrees of kinship. The judge is a party. The judge is a material witness unless pleading purporting to make the Judge a party is false (determined by presiding judge, but see substitution). The judge has previously acted in the case in question as an attorney for a party, or participated in some other capacity. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, vandeventer said: So if Trump gets 4 years for each felony charge he should be getting out of jail when he is 212 years old. Now does this seem fair to you for a paperwork mistake with no underline crime? ‘Mistake’? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: LOL. He could sell T shirts saying "They tried to convict me of something and all they got was Stormy". However you look at it, Stormy is the winner, $130,000 for a short time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 59 minutes ago, vandeventer said: Did you know that the judge worked for VP Harris's daughter? so he should have excused himself? You would perhaps prefer someone wearing a red hat and a sleeveless shirt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 hour ago, vandeventer said: So if Trump gets 4 years for each felony charge he should be getting out of jail when he is 212 years old. Now does this seem fair to you for a paperwork mistake with no underline crime? He should get that for his hair alone! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandeventer Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: You would perhaps prefer someone wearing a red hat and a sleeveless shirt. Only if it said MAGA!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan O Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: From the top of World news subforum. Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source. Do you understand what "must" means? Sorry if you don't like when people disagree with you. Typical trumpette response. Only thing you seem to be able to do is post your canned response as a way to avoid dealing with comments on here. No need to reply as I know what you'll say. Have a great day 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 7 hours ago, Scott said: https://www.scribd.com/document/636100433/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment The link is on the first page of this topic. https://www.scribd.com/document/636100433/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment# That's why I said you should read before you post. Stop expecting people to spoon feed you information. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 54 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her. To convict they have to prove Trump knew that he was reimbursing a pay off, and not just a retainer. Plenty of wiggle room in this case. I'm really looking forward to a not guilty on reasonable doubt result. "The only factual evidence so far is that Cohen paid her." And you know this how? Were you on the Grand Jury? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Phoenix Rising Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, Longwood50 said: Alan Dershowitz Alan Morton Dershowitz is an American lawyer and former law professor known for his work in U.S. constitutional law and American criminal law. Let me fix that for you: Alan Morton Dershowitz is an American lawyer and former law professor known for his work in U.S. constitutional law and American criminal law rabid trump apologist. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 hour ago, vandeventer said: How do we know he has no vested interest? I would think just working for the VP's daughter should be grounds enough? In other words, you assume? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted April 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, vandeventer said: So if Trump gets 4 years for each felony charge he should be getting out of jail when he is 212 years old. Now does this seem fair to you for a paperwork mistake with no underline crime? No, it should be double. There are aggravating circumstances as he had the wherewithal to get decent qualified legal and accounting advice. He needs to be made an example of to cement faith in the rule of law and demonstrate that no man is above the law. This principle applies when a policeman or lawyer commits a crime, it's automatically an aggravated offense in many cases. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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