Charlie Kirk, the conservative founder and president of Turning Point USA, said during an organizational event on Wednesday that gun deaths in exchange for the preservation of Second Amendment rights is part of America's reality.

 

Kirk's comments come about one week after three children and three adults were killed at the Christian Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee.

 

"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights, that is a prudent deal. It is rational, nobody talks like this, they live in a complete alternate universe."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113

 

 

Partial Transcript & Video: https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-its-worth-have-cost-unfortunately-some-gun-deaths-every-single-year-so-we

The logical failure here is that the second amendment doesn't prevent or require that no guns be banned. Fully automatic weapons are heavily restricted to the point of being banned for all practical purposes. AR15s could easily be afforded the same treatment. Whaich would I rather face? A tommy gun or an AR15? Not a difficult decision.

I can understand a person wanted keep a gun in there house for protection but assault guns used in a battlefield.

A revolver with shogun shells loaded with rock salt is a good stopper without necessary killing anyone. 

God given rights… to own guns?

Always the dumb take by Charlie Kirk. Ignore. 

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

God given rights… to own guns?

God bless America. !

How fast can police respond—anywhere in the world?  Americans are well defended from housebreaks.  Good luck confiscating their weapons.

23 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

God bless America. !

Amen!

 

Where else but in the US could any God or Constitutional Amendment legitimise this?

 

AR-15s Were Made to Explode Human Bodies. In Uvalde, the Bodies Belonged to Children.

 

"Parents awaiting word on their kids were asked by police to provide DNA samples to help identify the children".

 

'Viet Cong fighters hit with the weapon were frequently decapitated and dismembered, many looking as though they had “exploded.” A field report documented how an AR-15 had blown up a man’s head and turned another’s torso into “one big hole.”'

 

AR-15s Were Made to Explode Human Bodies (theintercept.com)

 

2 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

How fast can police respond—anywhere in the world?  Americans are well defended from housebreaks.

Housebreaks have little relevance to the extreme homicide death rate in the US and no relevance at all to mass shootings using high rate of fire weapons with high velocity. A shotgun is the most effective home defense gun.

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Housebreaks have little relevance to the extreme homicide death rate in the US and no relevance at all to mass shootings using high rate of fire weapons with high velocity. A shotgun is the most effective home defense gun.

Agree but a revolver holding shotgun shells is a lot more useable within a house rather than swinging a long rifle about, unless you cut down of course. 

Just now, Kwasaki said:

Agree but a revolver holding shotgun shells is a lot more useable within a house rather than swinging a long rifle about, unless you cut down of course. 

Sure, my argument is against America's "national gun".

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Sure, my argument is against America's "national gun".

Fair call something needs to be done is doesn't stop guys wanted to go and shoot all kinds of weapons if they want to in places of safety anytime they want. 

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

Fair call something needs to be done is doesn't stop guys wanted to go and shoot all kinds of weapons if they want to in places of safety anytime they want. 

That's pretty much the Australian experience. You can have a wide variety of guns provided they are kept at a gun club. Every gun legal in the home must be in a gun safe.

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That's pretty much the Australian experience. You can have a wide variety of guns provided they are kept at a gun club. Every gun legal in the home must be in a gun safe.

Same UK but there having trouble with illegal guns again in UK with drug gangs. 

The proposition America's Second Amendment is logical is absurd. It's about as rational as stepping off the 14th floor of a condo balcony, to prove gravity is just a theory.

Even some of the most backward nations place more value on the lives of their children.

 

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The proposition America's Second Amendment is logical is absurd. It's about as rational as stepping off the 14th floor of a condo balcony, to prove gravity is just a theory.

Even some of the most backward nations place more value on the lives of their children.

 

Are you American ?

8 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Are you American ?

not this again. ????

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

not this again. ????

Legit question, when it comes to guns and Americans not all but some would like to keep his gun collection the same way i would like to keep my motorcycle or car collection not have them taken away.

Come on American guys here you know the mentality of gun guys in America I just assumed it. 

2 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

It is rational, nobody talks like this, they live in a complete alternate universe

Indeed, America is an alternate universe as far as I can see. 

1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

How fast can police respond—anywhere in the world?  Americans are well defended from housebreaks.  Good luck confiscating their weapons.

And yet they die in droves from gun violence. Take their guns away, from their cold dead hands if necessary.

13 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Legit question, when it comes to guns and Americans not all but some would like to keep his gun collection the same way i would like to keep my motorcycle or car collection not have them taken away.

Come on American guys here you know the mentality of gun guys in America I just assumed it. 

When I see anything about gun mentality in America for some reason I tend to just associate the acolytes of one person and one particular party in respect of weapons of death.

But that is just me and I am not American.

With all (due respect) mr Kirk you are effin wrong it is not worth a child’s life so you can have an assault weapon 

10 minutes ago, Tug said:

With all (due respect) mr Kirk you are effin wrong it is not worth a child’s life so you can have an assault weapon 

The salient point is he believes it's worth spouting any mentally ill diatribe in order to benefit his own political career, nothing at all to do with guns per se.

15 minutes ago, Thailand said:

When I see anything about gun mentality in America for some reason I tend to just associate the acolytes of one person and one particular party in respect of weapons of death.

But that is just me and I am not American.

That's why ask here I know there's American guys here that can explain better than me. 

I'm English and love guns. 

how about we as a species just stop manufacturing guns ? 

5 minutes ago, stoner said:

how about we as a species just stop manufacturing guns ? 

Don't we wish. Not just guns but all weapons.

The current American situation, with so many guns and gun-related violence, is very disturbing and reflects poorly on the nation.  Half the people want to limit them because they believe less guns will result in less gun violence.  The other half want more guns because they think it will make everyone safer.  Big philosophical divide. Sandy Hook on one side and God, Guns, and Trump on the other.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

God given rights… to own guns?

 

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

God bless America. !

Yeehah! Bang bang, oops!

 

The reality of course is that the argument put forward by "Charlie Kirk" is so disgusting, disgraceful and foul as to be obscene!

The 2nd Amendment restricts the right of the government from infringing on the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.  It is not a priviledge bestowed on citizens.

 

Subtle but profound.

 

The government needs to abide by the Constitution and cease and desist.

27 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

The 2nd Amendment restricts the right of the government from infringing on the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.  It is not a priviledge bestowed on citizens.

 

Subtle but profound.

 

The government needs to abide by the Constitution and cease and desist.

"well regulated militia" never meant "anybody". Do explain how automatic weapons bans don't violate the second amendment.