PC Rebuild - Advice or help, please.

[BigStar]

33 minutes ago, patman30 said:

surely it is time for a new HDD, especially if building a new system

Or not. He's not building a new system--yet--but upgrading selected parts. Maybe he can get away with a minor repair. We dunno, and OP's not telling. As noted,

 

41 minutes ago, BigStar said:

One thing we've always been good at around here is spending other people's money.

 

[Mickeymaus]

51 minutes ago, patman30 said:

i mostly use open air cases (frames) these days

this is my main PC
although it does now have 6 x 6TB drives at the empty space at base
and 2 fans underneath them

This is really fascinating. For sure an idea for the OP ????. Must have cost a fortune. What do you do with it? 

[patman30]

9 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Or not. He's not building a new system--yet--but upgrading selected parts. Maybe he can get away with a minor repair. We dunno, and OP's not telling. As noted,

"OP's not telling"
yet you are sure on what he is and is not doing.......????

[patman30]

7 minutes ago, Mickeymaus said:

This is really fascinating. For sure an idea for the OP ????. Must have cost a fortune. What do you do with it? 

That rig is a few years old really
although i took my old rig apart to use parts on other rigs
a lot of my hardware was paid for from mining but those days are long gone imo
what i have now is for something being released this year (NOT "crypto" but does use POC)
cannot really say anything more publicly due to laws here
DM me if you want to be informed when we go public

here are a few other rigs i have made from old or cheap low power hardware
maybe the OP would be interested in such as these would suit most people IMO that do not need GPU acceleration
i do also plan to make a few small rigs that are 100% independant, off grid solar with sim
the pink rig is my media center has sata HDD, and 2 x 6TB (for what is coming)
and a 14TB drive for media (with any spare space being used)

i do still use a few cases but for my needs it is hard to find cases these days that have many 3.5" drive bays
as most people generally don't need them
as i could not find suitable cases at a reasonable price, i then looked into making my own frames
which work out much cheaper
and the hardware stays much cleaner, due to no dust build up
 

[BigStar]

26 minutes ago, patman30 said:

"OP's not telling"
yet you are sure on what he is and is not doing.......????

Merely going by what he said. You? How about this: the OP gives you his bank AC# and you make a transfer to cover the extra expenses you prescribe?

 

For some reason we never find posters willing to do that, or agreeing to raise their visa fees for the lack of public services they whinge about. But you could be the first, since you feel so strongly. ???? 

Edited April 13, 2023 by BigStar

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, patman30 said:

"built some 12 years ago"

surely it is time for a new HDD, especially if building a new system
for which a single HDD should easily cover the capacity of the 5 old drives
i doubt the OP has more than 40TB on those old drives

HDDs?

[KannikaP]

9 minutes ago, patman30 said:

he pink rig is my media center has sata HDD, and 2 x 6TB (for what is coming)
and a 14TB drive for media (with any spare space being used)

What 'media' do you store on 14TB?.

 

[tgw]

1 minute ago, KannikaP said:

What 'media' do you store on 14TB?.

it filly up really quickly if storing series in 1080p and x264

[Mickeymaus]

7 minutes ago, patman30 said:

That rig is a few years old really
although i took my old rig apart to use parts on other rigs
a lot of my hardware was paid for from mining but those days are long gone imo
what i have now is for something being released this year (NOT "crypto" but does use POC)
cannot really say anything more publicly due to laws here
DM me if you want to be informed when we go public

here are a few other rigs i have made from old or cheap low power hardware
maybe the OP would be interested in such as these would suit most people IMO that do not need GPU acceleration
i do also plan to make a few small rigs that are 100% independant, off grid solar with sim
the pink rig is my media center has sata HDD, and 2 x 6TB (for what is coming)
and a 14TB drive for media (with any spare space being used)

i do still use a few cases but for my needs it is hard to find cases these days that have many 3.5" drive bays
as most people generally don't need them
as i could not find suitable cases at a reasonable price, i then looked into making my own frames
which work out much cheaper
and the hardware stays much cleaner, due to no dust build up
 

Really great designs. I never saw anything like this. There is for sure a market for this. I have a bigger PC too but there is nothing to see because everywhere are dust filters - I hate cleaning it... But nowadays I don't use it much anymore. It is more comfortable to sit with a big tablet in the bed. And gaming - I am not fast enough anymore ????.

[KannikaP]

12 minutes ago, Mickeymaus said:

It is more comfortable to sit with a big tablet in the bed

Or on a recliner, with beer holders in the arms, in front of a 65 inch telly, with Dolby Atmos from a NUC hidden away somewhere. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by KannikaP

[KannikaP]

10 minutes ago, tgw said:

it filly up really quickly if storing series in 1080p and x264

Why do all the storing when there are so many torrenting sites to get them from.

Download just the ones you think you may have time to watch in the next week.

Edited April 13, 2023 by KannikaP

[BritManToo]

18 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Why do all the storing when there are so many torrenting sites to get them from.

Download just the ones you think you may have time to watch in the next week.

After the zombie apocalypse we that store will still have entertainment.

[patman30]

41 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

HDDs?

for large storage
not for running OS
 

39 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

What 'media' do you store on 14TB?

HD movies and TV shows quickly add up, especially 2160p
a lot of what i store is old or unpopular stuff that is harder to download these days and all mostly for guests.
i do download stuff that i may not watch for months

[KannikaP]

Just now, patman30 said:

for large storage
not for running OS
 

HD movies and TV shows quickly add up, especially 2160p
a lot of what i store is old or unpopular stuff that is harder to download these days and all mostly for guests.
i do download stuff that i may not watch for months

So you invite guests round to watch old unpopular stuff. 555

[patman30]

1 minute ago, KannikaP said:

So you invite guests round to watch old unpopular stuff. 555

unpopular as in very few seeds or lesser known stuff
not everything has a big marketing budget
lots of great stuff goes under the radar for most people
dead mans shoes just for an example

[SpaceKadet]

4 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Tell us all why please.

All the NUCs I've seen come with low end processors and low memory. No expansion capabilities.

And do pray tell how I would fit 4 spinners, 2 SSD and an RTX4070Ti inside the case.

Edited April 13, 2023 by SpaceKadet

[KannikaP]

1 minute ago, SpaceKadet said:

All the NUCs I've seen come with low end processors and low memory. No expansion capabilities.

And do pray tell how I would fit 4 spinners, 2 SSD and an RTX4070Ti inside the case.

Low end processors?  Same as used in many powerful laptops.

Low memory? YOU decided how much memory you want.

SSDs? You can put an M2 and a SSD whatever capacity you want/need.  Put the 'spinners' in a caddy..

[patman30]

1 hour ago, Mickeymaus said:

Must have cost a fortune.

just to add
those small boards in my pics
each cost roughly 1000 baht including CPU
the pink board was old and used, but the other 2 rigs are using new board/CPU
the smallest rig is real budget
the board/cpu was 850 baht, with 200w PSU for 200 baht and 1 old stick of DDR3 ram i had
and a USB stick which i am running windows on

plus the 2 x 6TB HDD of course which i got cheap at 3200 baht each

FYI
the difference on CCTV drives to others
is the read/write speed is heavily throttled as soon as the drive starts to get hot

[patman30]

7 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

inside the case

see my pics above, easy fix
but i would not buy anything pre built anyway

[SpaceKadet]

19 hours ago, BigStar said:

Not bad, but mATX m'board, lacks sufficient SATA ports, would need a card. Case has only 2 3.5" drive bays. Be interesting if OP could work out a deal for different case. PSU model doubtful, probably low end, doesn't appear on the tier list: https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/.

 

If you look around, you'll find that most socket 1700 MoBo's have only 4 SATA ports. You'll have to go above mid range or go specialist boards to get 6 SATA or more. Comes with a price.

The manufacturers seem to include 3-4 M.2 slots instead.

 

The OP PSU is a Corsair MT850W. Corsair is a well known quality manufacturer. I use many components from them. 850 watt is sufficient to drive a fair size rig.

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

All the NUCs I've seen come with low end processors and low memory. No expansion capabilities.

And do pray tell how I would fit 4 spinners, 2 SSD and an RTX4070Ti inside the case.

OP was clearly not using video cards.

[SpaceKadet]

6 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Low end processors?  Same as used in many powerful laptops.

Low memory? YOU decided how much memory you want.

SSDs? You can put an M2 and a SSD whatever capacity you want/need.  Put the 'spinners' in a caddy..

Haven't seen a NUC with an i9 processor. Haven't seen any with more than 2 memory slots. M.2 don't have the capacity I require, and if you now talking external caddy for the spinners and SSD's, what's the point of a NUC, Might as well build a proper tower. And what about the graphics card? Does that go into a caddy as well?

[SpaceKadet]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

OP was clearly not using video cards.

There is definitely one in his rig. Just below the PSU.

[Mickeymaus]

8 minutes ago, patman30 said:

just to add
those small boards in my pics
each cost roughly 1000 baht including CPU
the pink board was old and used, but the other 2 rigs are using new board/CPU
the smallest rig is real budget
the board/cpu was 850 baht, with 200w PSU for 200 baht and 1 old stick of DDR3 ram i had
and a USB stick which i am running windows on

plus the 2 x 6TB HDD of course which i got cheap at 3200 baht each

FYI
the difference on CCTV drives to others
is the read/write speed is heavily throttled as soon as the drive starts to get hot

This is really great. Wouldn't have thought that it was that cheap. 

In respect of drives. There is a major technical difference. There is the old but fast CMR and the newer but mostly slower SMR technology. SMR has only comparable write speeds if not too many data are written in a short time. Read speeds are no problem. If I write many Gigabyte of data to one of my SMR drives the speed will be around 30 MB/s. 

 

https://history-computer.com/smr-vs-cmr-hard-drives/#:~:text=CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording) hard,times than SMR hard drives.

[patman30]

15 minutes ago, Mickeymaus said:

This is really great. Wouldn't have thought that it was that cheap. 

In respect of drives. There is a major technical difference. There is the old but fast CMR and the newer but mostly slower SMR technology. SMR has only comparable write speeds if not too many data are written in a short time. Read speeds are no problem. If I write many Gigabyte of data to one of my SMR drives the speed will be around 30 MB/s. 

 

https://history-computer.com/smr-vs-cmr-hard-drives/#:~:text=CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording) hard,times than SMR hard drives.

yeh SMR drives are pooh
Thats why you see Pro drives being used????
the blue and yellow rig has 2 portable drives on the back
they take an age to fill as SMR (as most externals are)
be sure to check if drive is CMR or SMR
most pro/enterprise drives are CMR
there was the issue with WD Reds, where they switched from CMR to SMR
this was cleared up with red plus to avoid confusion
i use WD ultrastar or toshiba mostly
buy the pro/enterprise drives for the 5 year warranty as well as performance
toshiba are best value atm, they seem to have stopped their pro versions and just have enterprise now
 

Edited April 13, 2023 by patman30

[recom273]

If you have space in the case for multiple HDD and use your machine for seeding torrents 24/7 then buy a new PC for your editing and admin and then use the old case and HDD as a media server, running unraid. 

[recom273]

42 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

If you look around, you'll find that most socket 1700 MoBo's have only 4 SATA ports. You'll have to go above mid range or go specialist boards to get 6 SATA or more. Comes with a price.

The manufacturers seem to include 3-4 M.2 slots instead.

 

The OP PSU is a Corsair MT850W. Corsair is a well known quality manufacturer. I use many components from them. 850 watt is sufficient to drive a fair size rig.

He can use a PCIe HBA to add up to 8 HDD.

 

The biggest problem I find is finding a case to accept 8 drives here. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by recom273

[SpaceKadet]

38 minutes ago, patman30 said:

see my pics above, easy fix
but i would not buy anything pre built anyway

While I have to admit that you PC rigs are very esthetic and artsy, it's not my kind of auto-strata. I prefer closed cases to keep the ants and dust out, and tucked away out of sight. Maybe 40+ years on a raised floor among the mostly blue colored anonymous boxes reflects on my preferences. 

 

I don't buy anything pre-built either.

[KannikaP]

34 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

Haven't seen a NUC with an i9 processor. Haven't seen any with more than 2 memory slots. M.2 don't have the capacity I require, and if you now talking external caddy for the spinners and SSD's, what's the point of a NUC, Might as well build a proper tower. And what about the graphics card? Does that go into a caddy as well?

You obviously need a VERY hi-end machine. The OP does not.

My i5 NUC with 16GB RAM, 128 M2 and 1TB SSD does everything I need including fairly intensive music production. And looks a lot better than your fairground concoctions. IMO.

[KannikaP]

6 minutes ago, recom273 said:

He can use a PCIe HBA to add up to 8 HDD.

 

The biggest problem I find is finding a case to accept 8 drives here. 

I got a Fractal from Invade a few years back with room for 8 x 3.5 HDDs, plus room for 2 x SSDs behind the mobo, a 128 for the OS and a Samsung 2TB for data, also backed up onto One Drive. The HHDs are empty apart from one 1TB for Aomei Backupper.

Edited April 13, 2023 by KannikaP