snoop1130 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 [FILE] US President Joe Biden (R) and China’s President Xi Jinping (L) shake hands as they meet on the sidelines of the G20 Summit in Nusa Dua on the Indonesian resort island of Bali on November 14, 2022. / AFP Striking a right balance in its relationship with the US and China whose ongoing geopolitical rivalry is rattling the world will be a major policy challenge for Thailand’s new administration, according to top politicians contending in the upcoming general election. There is also a consensus among them that Thailand must not choose sides given the close ties it has with both superpowers. “Both countries have been Thailand’s good friends all along. Both are important to Thailand historically and economically. Therefore, we need to maintain our friendship with both,” said Korn Chatikavanij , leader of Chartpattanakla Party and its prime minister candidate. Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/balancing-between-us-china-a-challenge-for-thailands-next-administration/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2023-04-21 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. The most versatile and flexible rental investment and holiday home solution in Thailand - click for more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expat_4_life Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 “Both countries have been Thailand’s good friends all along. Both are important to Thailand historically and economically. Therefore, we need to maintain our friendship with both,” said Korn Chatikavanij , leader of Chartpattanakla Party and its prime minister candidate. Korn Chatikavanij seems to understand that picking sides between China and the US is not beneficial to Thailand. I would agree. Nice campaign rhetoric. I notice he did not mention Russia though. I wonder what his position on the Ukraine war is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pedrogaz Posted April 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2023 Easy, dump the US and throw your lot in with China. 2 3 3 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RandiRona Posted April 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2023 Thailand always sold themselves to the one who pays more. Historically from British to Japan to Americans to Chinese, they have changed hands and loyalty multiple times but what is not changed is Generals's spineless character. They help bombed their own neighbourhood for petty dollas.... I am sure they will figure out something to please the one with more dough or power..... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwest5829 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 hours ago, RandiRona said: Thailand always sold themselves to the one who pays more. Historically from British to Japan to Americans to Chinese, they have changed hands and loyalty multiple times but what is not changed is Generals's spineless character. They help bombed their own neighbourhood for petty dollas.... I am sure they will figure out something to please the one with more dough or power..... Interesting reading of history. There are however, other interpretations to Thai history ... 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RandiRona Posted April 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, wwest5829 said: Interesting reading of history. There are however, other interpretations to Thai history ... I am sure there is… one which is written in Thai and which they are selling for ages regarding Thailand never been colonized or never lost a war and one real interpretation in other languages which most Thais can’t read. here is Thailand being a great neighbor. Thailand played a significant role in the bombing of Laos during the Vietnam War. According to the New York Times1, Thailand hosted seven air bases that launched American military aircraft daily on missions to strike strategic targets in Laos, North Vietnam and South Vietnam. The United States funded the rapid expansion of a naval base and port facilities that brought war-related supplies into the region. Thailand also deployed combat troops to Laos to confront Viet Minh and communist Pathet Lao forces, and provided forward air guides for the CIA’s covert operations in Laos2. The U.S. Air Force began bombing targets in Laos in 1964, flying planes like AC-130s and B-52s full of cluster bombs on covert missions based out of Thailand3. As a result, Laos became the most heavily bombed nation in history, with over two million tons of cluster bombs dropped over the country3 Edited April 22, 2023 by RandiRona 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Picture speaks more than words.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dinsdale Posted April 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RichardColeman said: Picture speaks more than words.... The dictator and the dummy. Edited April 22, 2023 by dinsdale 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyblock token Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 7 hours ago, Pedrogaz said: Easy, dump the US and throw your lot in with China. yes , 100% right 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Not easy balance? As to what cheek to kiss? You want XI to shake hands you better jump when he calls nothing is free. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimgilly Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Actually not a hard decision. Either go with the country that will be on top going forward or the country that is totally broke, likes to start wars and is going down faster than the Titanic. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Thailand has already chosen China. Quote The powerful Chinese–Thai businesses that control much of the Thai economy, such as the Charoen Pokphand Group, are close to China. The CEO of Charoen Pokphand Group Dhanin Chearavanont goes by the name Xie Guomin in China and is president of the China Federation of Overseas Chinese Businessmen — a United Front Work Group affiliate. https://aseannow.com/topic/1281532-chinese-illicit-influence-scandals-in-thailand/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiFelix Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/22/2023 at 7:00 AM, RandiRona said: I am sure there is… one which is written in Thai and which they are selling for ages regarding Thailand never been colonized or never lost a war and one real interpretation in other languages which most Thais can’t read. here is Thailand being a great neighbor. Thailand played a significant role in the bombing of Laos during the Vietnam War. According to the New York Times1, Thailand hosted seven air bases that launched American military aircraft daily on missions to strike strategic targets in Laos, North Vietnam and South Vietnam. The United States funded the rapid expansion of a naval base and port facilities that brought war-related supplies into the region. Thailand also deployed combat troops to Laos to confront Viet Minh and communist Pathet Lao forces, and provided forward air guides for the CIA’s covert operations in Laos2. The U.S. Air Force began bombing targets in Laos in 1964, flying planes like AC-130s and B-52s full of cluster bombs on covert missions based out of Thailand3. As a result, Laos became the most heavily bombed nation in history, with over two million tons of cluster bombs dropped over the country3 You have explained it all so well. It is clear from history thats its so much safer to side with the Chinese. The US has bombed and waged war extensively through this area......has the Chinese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiFelix Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/22/2023 at 9:09 AM, jimgilly said: Actually not a hard decision. Either go with the country that will be on top going forward or the country that is totally broke, likes to start wars and is going down faster than the Titanic. Going down? Is there a lower level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mokwit Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 China will not allow Thailand a choice. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidneybear Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 Thailand should stay neutral, and politely ignore the US if the latter expects Thailand to take sides. Thailand and China handle diplomacy much better than the US does. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidneybear Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/21/2023 at 8:42 PM, expat_4_life said: I notice he did not mention Russia though. I wonder what his position on the Ukraine war is? A neutral one. I'd say he realises that the Ukraine war is regional, and is none of Thailand's business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANSIAM Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Stop asking for F-35's, your in China's grasp............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RandiRona Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 17 hours ago, ThaiFelix said: You have explained it all so well. It is clear from history thats its so much safer to side with the Chinese. The US has bombed and waged war extensively through this area......has the Chinese? CCP(not Chinese) when it comes to attacking other countries is no saint. When it comes to military escalations, it comes down to intent, capability and execution. Chinese always intend to expand their territory but lacked capability and execution. Now they have developed both so that is the reason all south China sea countries are intimidated by rise of China. China attacked Vietname, Soviet Union, India, Taiwan, Mongolia in last 70 years and wont hesitate to do it again if not of US and allies standing against it. Best is to stay Neutral and dont facilitated CCP. Below is Chinese adventurism in their neighbourhood. According to the list of Chinese wars and battles ¹, some of the wars that China fought from 1950 till 2023 are: - The Korean War (1950–1953), in which China supported North Korea against South Korea and its UN allies, led by the United States. The war ended with a ceasefire and a demilitarized zone along the 38th parallel. ¹ - The First and Second Taiwan Strait Crises (1954–1955 and 1958), in which China attempted to assert its sovereignty over Taiwan, which was controlled by the Republic of China government that fled the mainland after losing the Chinese Civil War. The crises were resolved with US intervention and a ceasefire. ¹ - The Sino-Indian War (1962), in which China clashed with India over a disputed Himalayan border. China captured some Indian territory before declaring a ceasefire and withdrawing its troops. ¹ - The Vietnam War (1965–1969), in which China provided military and economic aid to North Vietnam and its communist allies against South Vietnam and its US-led allies. China also sent some troops to help defend North Vietnam from US bombing raids. China withdrew its forces after the US began to scale down its involvement in the war. ¹ - The Sino-Soviet Border Conflict (1969), in which China and the Soviet Union engaged in several skirmishes along their shared border over territorial and ideological disputes. The conflict was de-escalated with diplomatic talks and a border agreement in 1991. ¹ - The Sino-Vietnamese War (1979), in which China launched a punitive invasion of Vietnam to punish it for overthrowing the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia, which was allied with China. The war lasted for about a month and both sides claimed victory. China withdrew its troops but continued to support the anti-Vietnamese resistance in Cambodia until 1989. ¹ - The Sino-Vietnamese Conflicts (1979–1991), in which China and Vietnam had several border clashes and naval incidents over their disputed territories and maritime rights. China also occupied some reefs in the Spratly Islands after a skirmish with Vietnam in 1988. The conflicts ended with the normalization of relations between the two countries after the 1990 Chengdu summit. ¹ Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/23/2023 (1) List of Chinese wars and battles - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_wars_and_battles. (2) List of wars involving the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_People's_Republic_of_China. (3) Timeline: U.S.-China Relations - Council on Foreign Relations. https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-china-relations. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 19 hours ago, ThaiFelix said: You have explained it all so well. It is clear from history thats its so much safer to side with the Chinese. The US has bombed and waged war extensively through this area......has the Chinese? Maybe not if you are from Ladakh, Tibet, Korea, Vietnam.... Taiwan lives in fear, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 On 4/21/2023 at 10:30 AM, Pedrogaz said: Easy, dump the US and throw your lot in with China. The most logical for the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiFelix Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 6 hours ago, RandiRona said: CCP(not Chinese) when it comes to attacking other countries is no saint. When it comes to military escalations, it comes down to intent, capability and execution. Chinese always intend to expand their territory but lacked capability and execution. Now they have developed both so that is the reason all south China sea countries are intimidated by rise of China. China attacked Vietname, Soviet Union, India, Taiwan, Mongolia in last 70 years and wont hesitate to do it again if not of US and allies standing against it. Best is to stay Neutral and dont facilitated CCP. Below is Chinese adventurism in their neighbourhood. According to the list of Chinese wars and battles ¹, some of the wars that China fought from 1950 till 2023 are: - The Korean War (1950–1953), in which China supported North Korea against South Korea and its UN allies, led by the United States. The war ended with a ceasefire and a demilitarized zone along the 38th parallel. ¹ - The First and Second Taiwan Strait Crises (1954–1955 and 1958), in which China attempted to assert its sovereignty over Taiwan, which was controlled by the Republic of China government that fled the mainland after losing the Chinese Civil War. The crises were resolved with US intervention and a ceasefire. ¹ - The Sino-Indian War (1962), in which China clashed with India over a disputed Himalayan border. China captured some Indian territory before declaring a ceasefire and withdrawing its troops. ¹ - The Vietnam War (1965–1969), in which China provided military and economic aid to North Vietnam and its communist allies against South Vietnam and its US-led allies. China also sent some troops to help defend North Vietnam from US bombing raids. China withdrew its forces after the US began to scale down its involvement in the war. ¹ - The Sino-Soviet Border Conflict (1969), in which China and the Soviet Union engaged in several skirmishes along their shared border over territorial and ideological disputes. The conflict was de-escalated with diplomatic talks and a border agreement in 1991. ¹ - The Sino-Vietnamese War (1979), in which China launched a punitive invasion of Vietnam to punish it for overthrowing the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia, which was allied with China. The war lasted for about a month and both sides claimed victory. China withdrew its troops but continued to support the anti-Vietnamese resistance in Cambodia until 1989. ¹ - The Sino-Vietnamese Conflicts (1979–1991), in which China and Vietnam had several border clashes and naval incidents over their disputed territories and maritime rights. China also occupied some reefs in the Spratly Islands after a skirmish with Vietnam in 1988. The conflicts ended with the normalization of relations between the two countries after the 1990 Chengdu summit. ¹ Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/23/2023 (1) List of Chinese wars and battles - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_wars_and_battles. (2) List of wars involving the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_People's_Republic_of_China. (3) Timeline: U.S.-China Relations - Council on Foreign Relations. https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-china-relations. Yes indeed lots of evidence there to keep well away from any US "assistance",, Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiFelix Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 4 hours ago, jacko45k said: Maybe not if you are from Ladakh, Tibet, Korea, Vietnam.... Taiwan lives in fear, Lol, possibly but still Infinitesimal compared to the US's interference around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 On 4/23/2023 at 1:13 PM, sidneybear said: Thailand should stay neutral, and politely ignore the US if the latter expects Thailand to take sides. Thailand and China handle diplomacy much better than the US does. Should they buy Chinese submarines or US fighter jets? Or neither? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 4 hours ago, zzaa09 said: The most logical for the future. Why not India, tipped to become more populous than China this year and ultimately a stronger economy due to China's aging population as a result of it's one child policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalawaan Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Without ever going past the headline. Damn right! And when the chips fall, any Thai government choose America. Remember, they have a Monarchy to protect from the Red Menace! Beijing will, from time to time, throw the rattle out the pram, but they dare not "punish" Thailand. In fact all the histrionics are just that from now on. They have worn out their global welcome, and need every friend they can get. We tried to love them into democracy, and that is just abused. We will eventually have to deal with them like we dealt with the Nazis. Whatever happens, they won't rule the world. The entire place is literally collapsing in slow motion already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 3 hours ago, ThaiFelix said: Lol, possibly but still Infinitesimal compared to the US's interference around the world. China hasn't really got going yet..... not far out of peasantry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidneybear Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 6 hours ago, ozimoron said: Should they buy Chinese submarines or US fighter jets? Or neither? Chinese may actually make a lot more sense, which will happen after a polite and diplomatic pause, as the reality of the US' foreign wars all ending in adject defeat and humiliation finally sinks in. Like it or lump it, the US is a spent force, and China is poised to take over the entire region. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalawaan Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 On 4/23/2023 at 1:13 PM, sidneybear said: Thailand should stay neutral, and politely ignore the US if the latter expects Thailand to take sides. Thailand and China handle diplomacy much better than the US does. They're both world class bullshippers, if that's what you mean! It's hard to dispute that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscc Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 9 hours ago, ozimoron said: Should they buy Chinese submarines or US fighter jets? Or neither? A made-in-China warship had just been delivered to Thailand a week or so ago. Presume you have not bother reading Non-Western media and/or Non-English language media, so you are not aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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