Fun-loving UK teenager dies after taking drugs at Full Moon party in Thailand, inquest reveals

[DualSportBiker]

9 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Hi PJ

 

I reckon I do.

Your reckoning is off. You are arguing from ignorance. You can't take a position on something you nothing about.
 

I am ignorant of the bliss of flying gliders - hence I make no ignorant opinions about it. If you have never experienced something, it's best to stick to asking questions.

[NanLaew]

2 minutes ago, DualSportBiker said:

9 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Hi PJ

 

I reckon I do.

Your reckoning is off. You are arguing from ignorance. You can't take a position on something you nothing about.
 

I am ignorant of the bliss of flying gliders - hence I make no ignorant opinions about it. If you have never experienced something, it's best to stick to asking questions.

Dear @DualSportBiker,

 

You quite honestly have absolutely no idea of what another person's experience or knowledge is of anything. Especially someone you don't even know. One doesn't need to stand in front of a speeding car (or fall off a sport bike) or ingest some totally unknown substance to experience the fact that there's a very real possibility that it won't end well.

[DualSportBiker]

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Dear @DualSportBiker,

 

You quite honestly have absolutely no idea of what another person's experience or knowledge is of anything. Especially someone you don't even know. One doesn't need to stand in front of a speeding car (or fall off a sport bike) or ingest some totally unknown substance to experience the fact that there's a very real possibility that it won't end well.

I think you are mixing your metaphors.

 

All I am saying is that you can't state "I don't need to [insert anything you have never done] to have fun." You don't know. It is ok to not know. I don't know about a great many things. What's the expression again "Stay in your lane." 

[Jackbenimble]

On 5/6/2023 at 11:50 AM, Bday Prang said:

Of course you are correct, and it is a very good reason why the supply of such pills should be entrusted to the pharmaceutical companies and not left to criminal organizations.

Powerful cars are also high risk, especially in the hands of people who have not received any specialist training and as such are unable to control them.

It would be interesting to know which of the above are responsible for more deaths. 1 person died in Thailand as a result of a very rare reaction to an "illegal" drug on the day in question. How many died on the same day as a result of a "legal" vehicle being operated in an illegal manner ?

Answers on a post card please

what a pile of rubbish you write. Seriously. You compare test-passed Licence holding, insured and taxed drivers legally driving a car of their choice to ill-informed, self-entitled drug takers out for a good time? You dress it up as much as you want........one is legal and the other isn't. Yet you manage to condemn the legal one and support the illegal one..............your disrespect for the law seems to be underpinning your judgement which naturally then brings your "judgement" into serious question.  

[ThailandGuy]

On 5/5/2023 at 12:24 PM, PJ71 said:

I'm merely making the point she was 18 and out on an adventure of a lifetime, i'd imagine all her mates took the same drugs without issues.

 

you know drugs are bad quality before taking do you? Impressive.

You can read can you?  So you can read all about it the media before making these decisions. If you don't and still take the drugs you are like a ostrich. You don't want to see the problem and risks, it is your decission.  We call these stupid ignorant people.  In the joy of their lifetime.... to have fun.... until it goes wrong and then ..... bla bla bla bla.

 Where i live they have testing facilities at the festivals for mdma.  So you know what you swallow.

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, Jackbenimble said:

what a pile of rubbish you write. Seriously. You compare test-passed Licence holding, insured and taxed drivers legally driving a car of their choice to ill-informed, self-entitled drug takers out for a good time? You dress it up as much as you want........one is legal and the other isn't. Yet you manage to condemn the legal one and support the illegal one..............your disrespect for the law seems to be underpinning your judgement which naturally then brings your "judgement" into serious question.  

                    I think you need to read my post again, but a bit more slowly 

                     My first point was that if people choose to take drugs, it would be a much safer option if the drugs they choose to take were manufactured under pharmaceutical conditions by a reputable company, as opposed to being mixed up by criminals in a filthy makeshift laboratory..

                    Nothing in my past actually supports the taking of illegal drugs, but if people are going to take them, as they do,  is it not an indication of a civilised society that as much as possible is done  to ensure their safety ?

                    A side effect of which would be to deny the organised criminals involved the huge profits they currently enjoy  Any right minded person would consider that a win win situation  regardless of their moral stance regarding drug taking, yet you consider it demonstrates a disrespect for the law!   

                     As you appear to disagree,  you presumably also think those who have taken drugs should also be deprived of any medical assistance to teach their " ill informed self entitled selves" a lesson they won't forget ?

 

                      My second point did not "condemn" any "legal" practice at all !  but addresses the dubious logic of allowing anybody  who has passed a very elementary driving test ,basically  proving only that they can perform a hill start , emergency stop, and reverse around a corner, to have access to high powered sports cars which they are incapable of handling. Taxed or insured or not, the fact is that many of these cars, driven in an illegal manner, end up on their roof or embedded into brick walls.trees, electric poles  etc etc,  and are often the cause of death or injury for innocent people. This itself would be proof enough for most people that my concerns are not totally without foundation

                        No car driven within the speed limits would ever end up on its roof or in a ditch !

It is the illegal operation all vehicles that I condemn, not just  the ridiculously overpowered penis substitutes, driving at speeds over the limit, racing, tailgating, undertaking, etc etc and it is this illegal operation that causes a significant number of deaths probably more deaths on a day today basis than illegal drugs. 

                         Nothing wrong with my judgement but yours is as suspect as your reading and comprehension abilities, lol I just noticed your avatar, it says a lot. you're a wannabe boy racer aren't you ? you need to find a safer way to deal with your mid life crisis,  I suggest you slow down  a bit, excess  speed is difficult to deal with when getting older, imagine Joe Biden in a Ferrari   this applies to reading too in your case So i'll ask again

     How many have died in Thailand today as a result of illegally operated vehicles would you say? i'll go with 30 but maybe more, there is at least 20,000 per year

     How many have died as a result of legally operated vehicles would you say ?  ill say less than 30 perhaps 10?  who knows

     Finally how many have died from taking Ecstasy or any other drug ?  i'll say well less than 10

 

[PJ71]

2 hours ago, ThailandGuy said:

You can read can you?  So you can read all about it the media before making these decisions. If you don't and still take the drugs you are like a ostrich. You don't want to see the problem and risks, it is your decission.  We call these stupid ignorant people.  In the joy of their lifetime.... to have fun.... until it goes wrong and then ..... bla bla bla bla.

 Where i live they have testing facilities at the festivals for mdma.  So you know what you swallow.

You sound angry, should get on the weed to chill out, it's available everywhere here in Thailand now....

[scottiejohn]

49 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

You sound angry, should get on the weed to chill out, it's available everywhere here in Thailand now....

I think you might be a tad late with that advice!

I think he must be on the weed already to publish the stuff he has done!

[jacko45k]

On 5/5/2023 at 2:29 PM, PJ71 said:

You don't know what you've missed!

This is true... death included. 

[PJ71]

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

This is true... death included. 

Preceded by many fun times and memories.

[jacko45k]

31 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

Preceded by many fun times and memories.

Dead people don't get to keep the memories..... many on drugs don't either. The embarrassment they get to keep, and stupidity I suppose. 

[NanLaew]

On 5/5/2023 at 10:05 AM, PJ71 said:

On 5/5/2023 at 9:58 AM, steven100 said:

very sad indeed,  however anyone who takes drugs unknowingly what it's made of should realize the potential risk involved,  and especially during a Thai full moon party.  How many have died there due to drug taking over the years ...  !

Did you realize the potential risks involved with partying when you were 18?

I did and a hangover from five too many large bottles of Newcastle Brown was considered well worth it. A few of the older ones were into cannabis but that was back in those heady days when most people didn't need harsher chemicals for a release.

[jacko45k]

No thanks.... druggies are bad company, unreliable and steal. Had one in the family. Killing yourself is the dumbest thing one can do!  I've had my share of fun... alcohol often involved, and it sufficed. 

[Pink Mist]

Personal attack posts have been removed.  Maintain civility to each other and stop calling each other names. 

[PJ71]

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

No thanks.... druggies are bad company, unreliable and steal. Had one in the family. Killing yourself is the dumbest thing one can do!  I've had my share of fun... alcohol often involved, and it sufficed. 

Druggies - lol.

 

Having a cheeky little party drug now and then is a completely different thing to being a smack addict, you're comparing apples to oranges.

[jacko45k]

7 hours ago, PJ71 said:

Druggies - lol.

 

Having a cheeky little party drug now and then is a completely different thing to being a smack addict, you're comparing apples to oranges.

Tell that to the zombies of Kensington... it all started with a cheeky little pill or two from someone at a party. 

Or the dead UK teenager who had a cheeky few drugs at a full moon party in Thailand......see the OP if in doubt. 

[Tropicalevo]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Or the dead UK teenager who had a cheeky few drugs at a full moon party in Thailand......see the OP if in doubt. 

The dead young lady (RIP) had been taking drugs all through college, according to her parents in an interview. It wasn't just a 'cheeky little pill or two from someone at a party'.

This was mentioned in a UK paper at the time.

[KhunLA]

9 hours ago, PJ71 said:

Druggies - lol.

 

Having a cheeky little party drug now and then is a completely different thing to being a smack addict, you're comparing apples to oranges.

The high risk, for an experienced doper, comes from buying an unknown product, from a total stranger, if that was the case ... IMHO

[PJ71]

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Tell that to the zombies of Kensington... it all started with a cheeky little pill or two from someone at a party. 

Or the dead UK teenager who had a cheeky few drugs at a full moon party in Thailand......see the OP if in doubt. 

It's completely understandable people like yourself having this opinion, maybe a close friend or family memeber has gone down the dark road of addiction, i get that.

 

However, the times i've used party drugs i've had a great time, i'm a big boy and understand the risks, it's not as cut and dry as you suggest. Do all people that have one beer turn into alcoholics? NO. Are people able to have a social beer without turning into alcoholics? YES

 

The event that happened to the the person in this story is, of course, very unfortunate.

[Harsh Jones]

On 5/5/2023 at 12:04 AM, ChrisKC said:

When I was a teenager, I went to parties, in fact in my twenties too, but I didn't need the crutch of drugs to give me a false feeling of "fun"

 

When it comes to drugs, I have never taken any in my entire life and from that point of view, the cynics may call me "goody goody".

 

The dead girl was described as "fiercely independent". What does this mean? Is it someone who is stubborn, someone who doesn't take advice from anyone including parents, doesn't need anyone's help for anything? I will do what I like! The "fun" life is where one doesn't require any due diligence; can be carefree.

 

She won't suffer anything from her death but her friends and family have to live with this tragedy for the rest of their lives - it is with them I offer my sympathies!

I knew when reading the headline that it had to be a female. An 18 year old doesn't need hard drugs to have fun. Alcohol and smoking is plenty enough. You still have young energy.

 

I wasn't a goodie good. But I started taking drugs after I was in my mid 20's. Nobody under 25 needs to be doing drugs. Save them for your 25+ and 30's. Thats when you  need them. 

 

But she wanted to be tough and decided to take extasy. Because thats what the boys were doing

[Harsh Jones]

On 5/5/2023 at 12:38 AM, nchuckle said:

Recreational drugs aren’t a 'crutch' ,they are an enhancer,nor is the feeling of fun " false". By definition the fun aspect is a real feeling experienced at the time,it’s not intended to last beyond the occasion,other than perhaps a memory . It’s really no different in that aspect to having a few glasses of wine at a dinner party which most will agree oils the wheels. Did you not drink at those parties? If you did you took a drug,just a different one…

She was 18. Alcohol was enough. Not even the legal age in a lot of places. Yet she had to jump right over to extacy ? Really? She probably hadnt even been drinking for very long. 2 years in maybe. 

 

Save extacy when you are in your 20's. She was probably doing it to be cool. Not because she really thought she needed an enhancer. Her body and mind were barely just processing the alcohol and suddenly there's extacy in there. Madness

[Chongalulu]

2 hours ago, Harsh Jones said:

She was 18. Alcohol was enough. Not even the legal age in a lot of places. Yet she had to jump right over to extacy ? Really? She probably hadnt even been drinking for very long. 2 years in maybe. 

 

Save extacy when you are in your 20's. She was probably doing it to be cool. Not because she really thought she needed an enhancer. Her body and mind were barely just processing the alcohol and suddenly there's extacy in there. Madness

You fail to understand that alcohol is a drug too and overall one that has caused much more damage than Ecstasy . Nicotine is far more addictive too. Just because something is illegal ( as alcohol has previously been) is not a definite indicator of toxicity.

[Harsh Jones]

5 hours ago, nchuckle said:

You fail to understand that alcohol is a drug too and overall one that has caused much more damage than Ecstasy . Nicotine is far more addictive too. Just because something is illegal ( as alcohol has previously been) is not a definite indicator of toxicity.

I am for the legalization, regulation and sale of all drugs most especially heroin and cocaine and everything. 

 

But I think my point still stands. She is 18, in an exotic foreign country and has all the alcohol she wants. She does not need any more stimulation. She got too greedy and paid a high price. 

 

What do you think killed her ? It was obviously the combination of hard liquor buckets and the ecstasy.  She could have been very small. And just 18. The system couldn't handle it.  People with experience with drugs don't drink that heavily either with the drug. It makes it worse.

 

But she was doing it just for the clout. And any experienced user there probably would have told her not to take it if they knew how much she had drank. 

[Chongalulu]

35 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

I am for the legalization, regulation and sale of all drugs most especially heroin and cocaine and everything. 

 

But I think my point still stands. She is 18, in an exotic foreign country and has all the alcohol she wants. She does not need any more stimulation. She got too greedy and paid a high price. 

 

What do you think killed her ? It was obviously the combination of hard liquor buckets and the ecstasy.  She could have been very small. And just 18. The system couldn't handle it.  People with experience with drugs don't drink that heavily either with the drug. It makes it worse.

 

But she was doing it just for the clout. And any experienced user there probably would have told her not to take it if they knew how much she had drank. 

That's why ecstasy users drink water. No need of alcohol,so in summary the least harmful of all combinations and certainly way better than either cocaine or especially heroin