Move Forward party leader’s political future uncertain

[BusyB]

18 hours ago, billd766 said:

Does holding shares as an executor mean the same as owning the shares?

I have no idea offhand. But having anything to do with them is an act of terminal stupidity in Thailand under current circumstances. In Thailand you can be removed as Prime Minister for taking part in a cooking show for godz sakes.

 

Was it really worth holding onto them? Are they really so important? What is wrong with these people?

 

Of course the EC has yet to give its verdict and apparently it's all above board according to him. But it certainly calls his judgement into question. And it could still cost votes at least even if he gets the all clear. It's the whiff of corruption and privilege even in those who are supposedly challenging the system.

 

And as I said above, the suspicion is reasonable that he could relaunch the company as a broadcaster once he is elected.

 

[KhaoYai]

20 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

True democracy. [whatever that is]

What is this?

And where does it exist and function?

Good point - even here in the UK, democracy is under threat. Rights and freedoms are slowly being eroded.

[proton]

But OK for the Army to own TV and radio stations pumping out their propaganda ????

[Artisi]

6 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

"it ceased operations in 2007". The Ministry of Commerce might come in handy in clarified this point, the Ministry of Finance could also report on eventual tax returns, the Department of Labour could report of Social Security contributions by the company, which apparently "ceased operations in 2007".

If Ruangkrai is wrong, then I would sue his backside for defamation, spreading of false news and make it crystal clear, that Ruangkrai's statement were timed in such a way, that it would smear the name of Pita without him being able to get external proof prior to the whole Sunday .........

On that note, maybe it is time to scrap that old dinosaur law as well? 

Along with the old dinosaurs..... 

[RobU]

if this is Kosher then the man deserves everything he gets. A thai politician owning such shares is illegal and stupid the Thai people don't need stupid politicians. However it could be that he is running point for his successor, the true leader, so the opposition don't have time to fit up that person or introduce new laws and rules to exclude him/her.

[Eric Loh]

23 minutes ago, RobU said:

if this is Kosher then the man deserves everything he gets. A thai politician owning such shares is illegal and stupid the Thai people don't need stupid politicians. However it could be that he is running point for his successor, the true leader, so the opposition don't have time to fit up that person or introduce new laws and rules to exclude him/her.

Have you checked the facts? It remain a complaint until the EC accept the case. The NACC insisted that K Pita has made the declaration but couldn’t confirm the actual date. 

 

[RobU]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Have you checked the facts? It remain a complaint until the EC accept the case. The NACC insisted that K Pita has made the declaration but couldn’t confirm the actual date. 

 

No I haven't 'checked the facts'  I voiced an opinion based on the information in the article. Thank you for giving me further information

[scorecard]

On 5/12/2023 at 3:22 PM, BusyB said:

Which is why someone like this should not be doing something as stupid as holding shares in a media company - even I know that much.

Read the full details, but I don't disagree it would hev been very advisable to get himself TOTALLY out of the picture.

[BenStark]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Have you checked the facts? It remain a complaint until the EC accept the case.

Have you checked the facts?

 

The EC has accepted the case, they only haven't made a decision yet, because they can do that up to a year after the election.

 

When there is no "reason" to ban the opposition they will drop the case, but they only know about that after all votes are counted

 

They did the same with Thannaporn, where they made a decision in February 2020.

 

 

[scorecard]

5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Have you checked the facts? It remain a complaint until the EC accept the case. The NACC insisted that K Pita has made the declaration but couldn’t confirm the actual date. 

 

Given the similar case with K. Thanathorn it surpeises me that K. Pita didn't some time ago take serious 'express' action to completely dispose of the shares and ensure he quickly gained dated complete  documentation stating 'shares sold on xx/xx/xxxx' and with clear evidence of identity/signature of the new owner. 

 

Even further perhaps it would have been wise to ensure the shares didn't remain in his family.

 

Why no urgency?

[still kicking]

Here we go again

Not everyone is on board with Move Forward being the right move for the country, and just days before the poll Mr Pita is under scrutiny.

Pita Limjaroenrat is a charismatic young Harvard grad who wants to be Thailand's next PM - ABC News

[zzaa09]

3 hours ago, still kicking said:

Here we go again

Not everyone is on board with Move Forward being the right move for the country, and just days before the poll Mr Pita is under scrutiny.

Pita Limjaroenrat is a charismatic young Harvard grad who wants to be Thailand's next PM - ABC News

Expecting more shenanigans in the coming days....

[NanLaew]

17 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Have you checked the facts? It remain a complaint until the EC accept the case. The NACC insisted that K Pita has made the declaration but couldn’t confirm the actual date. 

 

In that case, any decision could depend if Tuu's friends on the NACC have greater testicular fortitude than his friends on the EC.

 

Of course, there's always the CC. Pretty sure the Constitutional Court will also have their dog in any fight.

[connda]

On 5/12/2023 at 5:12 AM, sammieuk1 said:

Here we go again the veneer of democracy is falling off as any opposition to the uber corrupted are eliminated ????

I asked AN ChatGPT how many successful and unsuccessful coup attempts there have been in Thailand since 1930.  (caveat - AN ChatGPT will not give consistent answers on this subject, but you can get a ballpark feel)

"There have been about 20 unsuccessful coup attempts in Thailand since 1930.  There have been approximately 12 successful coup attempts in Thailand since 1932, but the actual number is debated among sources."

So about one every three years on average.  So much for taking the word "coup" out of the dictionary. When all else fails, turn the apple-cart upside down.

[scorecard]

5 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

Expecting more shenanigans in the coming days....

Without any doubt.

[billd766]

20 hours ago, RobU said:

if this is Kosher then the man deserves everything he gets. A thai politician owning such shares is illegal and stupid the Thai people don't need stupid politicians. However it could be that he is running point for his successor, the true leader, so the opposition don't have time to fit up that person or introduce new laws and rules to exclude him/her.

There is that word again.

 

IF. Along with perhaps, maybe, possibly.

 

IF wishes were horses, beggars would ride,

 

 

[MrMojoRisin]

It appears this guys uncertain political future may very well be as the new PM (MF currently sitting at 144 seats)

[zzaa09]

24 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

It appears this guys uncertain political future may very well be as the new PM (MF currently sitting at 144 seats)

Noted.

Within the last month or two, they've made significant strides in voter confidence.

It's showing today/tonight. 

[Maestro]

Removed a troll post and the reply to it.

[still kicking]

Not allowed to post a link 

[candide]

10 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Not allowed to post a link 

Blink blink! ????

[eisfeld]

Note that even with the close to 300 out of 500 seats in the house at 85.6% count for Move Forward + Pheu Thai, it might not be enough to have a majority government if the 250 seats of the senate don't align themselves. A whopping 376 out of 500 house seats are needed in order to have a guaranteed majority. Which means 75% of votes.

 

From what it looks like right now either Move Forward + Pheu Thai have to get Bhumjaithai into a coalition or hope that they can sway enough senators.

[JeffersLos]

On 5/12/2023 at 4:24 AM, webfact said:

Move Forward Party leader Pita Limjaroenrat, and one of the favourites to be the next prime minister, is suddenly facing an uncertain political future

There is nothing uncertain about his future.

 

His party will be disbanded and he will be banned from politics, if he is lucky, or jailed, if he is not. 

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, eisfeld said:

Note that even with the close to 300 out of 500 seats in the house at 85.6% count for Move Forward + Pheu Thai, it might not be enough to have a majority government if the 250 seats of the senate don't align themselves. A whopping 376 out of 500 house seats are needed in order to have a guaranteed majority. Which means 75% of votes.

 

From what it looks like right now either Move Forward + Pheu Thai have to get Bhumjaithai into a coalition or hope that they can sway enough senators.

A minority government is unworkable.

The 300+ lower house seats controlled by MF and PT means they dictate the outcome of every single vote in the lower house which could only lead to another election being called. One cannot imagine that the vote for Prayuth would increase should this be the case. It is a dead end road for the junta, their only viable course of action is to simply accept defeat and step aside.

[eisfeld]

26 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

A minority government is unworkable.

The 300+ lower house seats controlled by MF and PT means they dictate the outcome of every single vote in the lower house which could only lead to another election being called. One cannot imagine that the vote for Prayuth would increase should this be the case. It is a dead end road for the junta, their only viable course of action is to simply accept defeat and step aside.

I agree that a minority government probably would just result in a deadlock and re-election. Extrapolating from the unofficial partial counts so far MF+PT will probably get 320-330 seats. So they'll need to sway something in the order of 50 senators and even then it'll be too close for comfort. I'm not familiar with Thai politics enough to opinionate if that is realistic or not. If they were to bring in Bhumjaithai they'd be pretty much guaranteed to have a majority government. I guess it'll depend on what Bhumjaithai will be asking for in return.

[MrMojoRisin]

5 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

I agree that a minority government probably would just result in a deadlock and re-election. Extrapolating from the unofficial partial counts so far MF+PT will probably get 320-330 seats. So they'll need to sway something in the order of 50 senators and even then it'll be too close for comfort. I'm not familiar with Thai politics enough to opinionate if that is realistic or not. If they were to bring in Bhumjaithai they'd be pretty much guaranteed to have a majority government. I guess it'll depend on what Bhumjaithai will be asking for in return.

Very hard to see Senators breaking ranks, but who knows, orders may come in from above. The Senators lose their power to participate in the selection of the Prime Minister in 2024 so pushing ahead with a minority government and thus another election achieves nothing but delaying the inevitable (and risking an uprising from the masses).