Son with thai and EU passport??

[Maestro]

14 hours ago, ericthai said:

Yes, I saw that.

 

As stated, the rules state this cant be done, but as always in Thailand corrupt officials are always ready to bend the rules with a little incentive. 

I'd appreciate it if you could post a link to these rules. It would be useful when answering future inquiries on this subject.

[Mark1066]

17 hours ago, ericthai said:

Yes, I saw that.

 

As stated, the rules state this cant be done, but as always in Thailand corrupt officials are always ready to bend the rules with a little incentive. 

You don't need to bribe someone to let you in if you are Thai. I am not aware of any relevant legal provisions for refusing entry to Thai nationals - are you?

Edited May 29, 2023 by Mark1066

[ericthai]

3 hours ago, Mark1066 said:

You don't need to bribe someone to let you in if you are Thai. I am not aware of any relevant legal provisions for refusing entry to Thai nationals - are you?

We are talking about changing passports at a land border.

[ericthai]

6 hours ago, Maestro said:

I'd appreciate it if you could post a link to these rules. It would be useful when answering future inquiries on this subject.

Sorry, I cant post a rule and not going to spend hours looking.

 

It might not a be a written rule like allot of things in Thailand, but the officers at land boarders always want to see the exit stamp from the other crossing and would never accept it being in a different passport.

My old business partner had two passports and tried this in the past and was never allowed, even if we spent a few days in Cambodia it didn't make a difference. They want to see the exit stamp in the passport and will only use the passport with the exit stamp.  

[Mark1066]

On 5/29/2023 at 7:56 PM, ericthai said:

We are talking about changing passports at a land border.

I know what you are talking about. My point was that it doesn't matter what Thai immigration officials think about your dual nationality or how you use your passports. As long as you come in on the Thai passport, they cannot refuse entry. So why would there ever be a need for a bribe in this situation?

[BritTim]

On 5/27/2023 at 1:04 PM, beammeup said:

This is correct.

He did the border run on Thursday and he was able to swap passports: ... after a little persuasion.

Which border crossing did he use please?

[Mark1066]

On 6/5/2023 at 3:51 PM, Mark1066 said:

I know what you are talking about. My point was that it doesn't matter what Thai immigration officials think about your dual nationality or how you use your passports. As long as you come in on the Thai passport, they cannot refuse entry. So why would there ever be a need for a bribe in this situation?

Whoever is confused at this post must have learning difficulties.

[BeerAttractedPerson]

Theoretically Thailand don't recognise dual citizenship. At some stage your kid might be asked to chose nationality, theoretically 

[GroveHillWanderer]

9 hours ago, BeerAttractedPerson said:

Theoretically Thailand don't recognise dual citizenship. At some stage your kid might be asked to chose nationality, theoretically 

It used to be the case in the past that Thai nationality law said a person with dual nationality was supposed to renounce their Thai nationality within a year of turning twenty but it was never enforced. Furthermore, that provision has since been amended.

 

Under the current nationality law a person can choose to renounce their Thai nationality after acquiring another one if they want, but they are not obliged to do so.

 

The actual wording is as follows:

 

"A person of Thai nationality, who was born of an alien father or mother and has acquired the nationality of his father or mother according to law on nationality of his father or mother, or a person who acquires Thai nationality under Section 12 paragraph two or Section 12/1 (2) and (3) may, if he desires to retain his other nationality, make a declaration of his intention to renounce his Thai nationality within one year after his attaining the age of twenty years, according to such form and in the manner as prescribed in the

Ministerial Regulations."

 

So as far as I can tell, unless the person actually makes that declaration they are not going to lose their Thai nationality.

Edited June 30, 2023 by GroveHillWanderer

[DrJoy]

On 5/22/2023 at 3:47 PM, GroveHillWanderer said:

That is untrue. My daughter has both Thai and UK passports and has on more than one occasion (after acquiring a Thai passport) entered on her UK passport.

 

Also, she had Thai nationality (and a Thai ID card) for several years before bothering to get a Thai passport, so during that time, she couldn't have entered on a Thai passport even if she'd wanted to.

That is up to your daughter to break the law. Using other nationality is a ground for cancellation of Thai citizenship.

 

Its the Thai law -

 

THAI NATIONALITY ACT, B.E. 2508 (1965)

Section 17 -

 

A person, who hold Thai nationality by birth in the Kingdom of Thailand and has an alien father or mother, may be revoked of his or her Thai nationality, if it appears that:

 

(1) he or she resides in a foreign country, where his or her father or mother has or used to have nationality, for a consecutive period of more than five years;

 

(2) there is evidence indicating that he or she uses the nationality of his or her father or mother or other nationality, or has inclined towards the nationality of his or her father or mother, or other nationality;

 

(3) having committed any act prejudicial to the national security or conflicting with the interests of the State or amounting to an insult to the nation;

 

(4) having committed any act in contrary to the public order or good morals. The Minister shall order the revocation of Thai nationality in cases of (1) or (2) in the Court, upon request from Public Prosecutor.

 

On 5/22/2023 at 3:52 PM, richard_smith237 said:

What you are suggesting is that the have entered Thailand illegally by doing so with an overseas passport

Ok sorry, may not be illegal but certainly a ground for cancellation of Thai citizenship.

 

 

[digbeth]

The  issue could arise If a Thai passport issued in Thailand was being used to enter Thailand for the first time without previous exit stamp, or entry of the exit on immigration's computer

 

you could present passport to the exiting immigration officer, explain your situation and persuade them to stamp you out on the Thai passport as well, the worst they can do is link your EU identity with Thai identity in their system

 

claim that you used the auto gate to exit, hence no entry stamp... but only at land border where they don't have linked computer, be sure to have detail regarding flights out and how long

 

just enter wit Thai ID card, they can't bar thai citizen from entering, keep the thai passport for next exit

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, DrJoy said:

That is up to your daughter to break the law. Using other nationality is a ground for cancellation of Thai citizenship.

 

Its the Thai law -

 

THAI NATIONALITY ACT, B.E. 2508 (1965)

Section 17 -

 

A person, who hold Thai nationality by birth in the Kingdom of Thailand and has an alien father or mother, may be revoked of his or her Thai nationality, if it appears that:

 

(1) he or she resides in a foreign country, where his or her father or mother has or used to have nationality, for a consecutive period of more than five years;

 

(2) there is evidence indicating that he or she uses the nationality of his or her father or mother or other nationality, or has inclined towards the nationality of his or her father or mother, or other nationality;

 

(3) having committed any act prejudicial to the national security or conflicting with the interests of the State or amounting to an insult to the nation;

 

(4) having committed any act in contrary to the public order or good morals. The Minister shall order the revocation of Thai nationality in cases of (1) or (2) in the Court, upon request from Public Prosecutor.

 

Ok sorry, may not be illegal but certainly a ground for cancellation of Thai citizenship.

Firstly, the law only says that a person may have their Thai nationality revoked under the given circumstances, not that it will be.

 

Secondly, that's not the current law (not sure but I think it may be the 1965 text).

 

In the law as amended, paragraphs 1-4 of section 17 remain almost the same, but the paragraph following it now reads (in part):

 

"The revocation of Thai nationality in (1) or (2) shall lie with the discretion of the Minister ..."

 

And the simple fact is that there is no report of the Minister ever choosing to revoke the Thai nationality of a dual national child simply for "using" a foreign nationality.

 

So the notion that the government is going to suddenly start revoking people's Thai nationality merely for entering the country on a foreign passport is just completely and utterly divorced from the situation that pertains in reality.

[kiwiaussie]

19 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

Edited July 1, 2023 by kiwiaussie

[kiwiaussie]

19 hours ago, DrJoy said:

That is up to your daughter to break the law. Using other nationality is a ground for cancellation of Thai citizenship.

 

Its the Thai law -

 

THAI NATIONALITY ACT, B.E. 2508 (1965)

Section 17 -

 

A person, who hold Thai nationality by birth in the Kingdom of Thailand and has an alien father or mother, may be revoked of his or her Thai nationality, if it appears that:

 

(1) he or she resides in a foreign country, where his or her father or mother has or used to have nationality, for a consecutive period of more than five years;

 

(2) there is evidence indicating that he or she uses the nationality of his or her father or mother or other nationality, or has inclined towards the nationality of his or her father or mother, or other nationality;

 

(3) having committed any act prejudicial to the national security or conflicting with the interests of the State or amounting to an insult to the nation;

 

(4) having committed any act in contrary to the public order or good morals. The Minister shall order the revocation of Thai nationality in cases of (1) or (2) in the Court, upon request from Public Prosecutor.

 

Ok sorry, may not be illegal but certainly a ground for cancellation of Thai citizenship.

 

 

You are misreading the law. This article explains how you are misreading those particular clauses in the nationality act 

 

https://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-dual-citizenship/

[marin]

19 hours ago, DrJoy said:

That is up to your daughter to break the law. Using other nationality is a ground for cancellation of Thai citizenship.

 

Its the Thai law -

 

THAI NATIONALITY ACT, B.E. 2508 (1965)

Section 17 -

 

A person, who hold Thai nationality by birth in the Kingdom of Thailand and has an alien father or mother, may be revoked of his or her Thai nationality, if it appears that:

You are well wrong. Please dont spread false information. You may be a dual citizen here with no problems at all. 

[Neeranam]

On 5/22/2023 at 2:39 PM, DrJoy said:

He has already broken the law.

How?

 

If he was born Thai, they can't take away his Thai passport(citizenship). 

If he is Thai, he can't be forced to pay an overstay fine. 

[Neeranam]

15 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

And the simple fact is that there is no report of the Minister ever choosing to revoke the Thai nationality of a dual national child simply for "using" a foreign nationality.

There has been, but the people were born over 30/40 years ago to foreign parents.

[Neeranam]

19 hours ago, digbeth said:

just enter wit Thai ID card, they can't bar thai citizen from entering, keep the thai passport for next exit

Hard to get a flight from another country with no Thai Passport/visa.