Pattaya Bar/Go-Go Death Watch

[champers]

1 minute ago, BenStark said:

The owner of 3 big entertainment places in WS told me a few months ago that Chinese are investing big time in WS

The Northern end of 2nd Road is also a good place for East Asian investment. A lot of Western businesses have fallen by the wayside there, not least and not only all the bars in what was Drinking Street.

[champers]

2 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

I think their attitude is open the doors and they will come, Buzzin Trevor has 83000 plus subscribers no idea how that figure was reached and Nick Dean NDTVI has around 35000 even that’s very generous as well. I can’t believe that many people watch blogs about Thailand. It would be interesting to know how many of the subscribers actually ever come to Pattaya.

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The bar/club on Treetown that Buzzin Trevor was involved with failed pretty miserably. 

Nick Deans bars on Soi 7 are very quiet unless he holds a birthday party for someone.

[Jumbo1968]

23 minutes ago, champers said:

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The bar/club on Treetown that Buzzin Trevor was involved with failed pretty miserably. 

Nick Deans bars on Soi 7 are very quiet unless he holds a birthday party for someone.

The Buzzin Bar in Treetown was only using his name, it was in the ‘wrong’ place as there was no footfall, it might be different once the bars in Made in Thailand open up again, 60 + bars. 
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Edited September 10, 2023 by Jumbo1968

[RAZZELL]

On 8/23/2023 at 12:22 PM, stevekrabi said:

https://www.escapegogo.com/

Steve Acreman.

[BenStark]

4 minutes ago, RAZZELL said:

Steve Acreman.

Is Steve from Krabi by any chance?

Edited September 12, 2023 by BenStark

[RAZZELL]

3 minutes ago, BenStark said:

Is Steve from Krabi by any chance?

I think he was originally based in Phuket.

 

He actually posted a very interesting thread on Reddit in the Pattaya thread:

 

AMA = "Ask me anything".

 

 

[stevekrabi]

32 minutes ago, RAZZELL said:

Steve Acreman.

I think it's just a coincidence that I have the same name as the owner, you're not the first person to mention this.

[Danderman123]

Lips Lounge in Jomtien is for sale.

[scubascuba3]

This has turned into an airline thread rather than agogo

[scubascuba3]

Lighthouse agogo has been closed for ages, first time I've seen it for sale, at 12m baht they're dreaming

[Rimmer]

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[Danderman123]

Snow Bar on Soi Chaiyapoon is for sale. I didn't know this bar existed. I think that some people are rushing to open new bars for High Season, operate for a couple of months, and then sell.

 

Bachelors gogo on LK Metro is for sale, I think it is currently closed.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Snow Bar on Soi Chaiyapoon is for sale. I didn't know this bar existed. I think that some people are rushing to open new bars for High Season, operate for a couple of months, and then sell.

 

Bachelors gogo on LK Metro is for sale, I think it is currently closed.

Mr Egg tried to do that with Milk on Soi Diamond, must be for sale a year+

[kinyara]

15 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Mr Egg tried to do that with Milk on Soi Diamond, must be for sale a year+

 

He sold it about a month or so ago.

[scubascuba3]

2 minutes ago, kinyara said:

 

He sold it about a month or so ago.

Good so took 12-18 months, always looks empty when i pass

[kinyara]

22 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Good so took 12-18 months, always looks empty when i pass

 

Your timeline is a bit off he only opened it a year ago, no idea if he was trying to sell it from the start. He's quite shrewd in my opinion, plays the struggling bar owner for sympathy whereas I think the reality is somewhat different. I wonder if the guy that bought the Go-Go off him has realised his mistake yet.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, kinyara said:

 

Your timeline is a bit off he only opened it a year ago, no idea if he was trying to sell it from the start. He's quite shrewd in my opinion, plays the struggling bar owner for sympathy whereas I think the reality is somewhat different. I wonder if the guy that bought the Go-Go off him has realised his mistake yet.

Milk is a bar isn't it? it's no secret Mr Egg was once homeless, i doubt he made much money as a manager, another Brit agogo manager went back recently to UK apparently homeless. Mr Egg main success was linking the youtube channel with Le Pub

[kinyara]

27 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Milk is a bar isn't it? it's no secret Mr Egg was once homeless, i doubt he made much money as a manager, another Brit agogo manager went back recently to UK apparently homeless. Mr Egg main success was linking the youtube channel with Le Pub

 

I think it's more of a small Go-Go format than a bar like his place next door.

 

Pretty unhealthy job/lifestyle I'd say, I can think of a few of the " successful " managers from the past that have ended up on the bones of their backside with little to show for their life other than health or financial problems. lt's not my scene anymore but the last time I was in one about a  year ago in Jomtien an Indian/Arab looking guy bottled the female manager and a pretty vicious fight ensued, thinking about that incident in the one in Buakow the other night. Not a prude but it was probably what put me off finally going into one ever again.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, kinyara said:

 

I think it's more of a small Go-Go format than a bar like his place next door.

 

Pretty unhealthy job/lifestyle I'd say, I can think of a few of the " successful " managers from the past that have ended up on the bones of their backside with little to show for their life other than health or financial problems. lt's not my scene anymore but the last time I was in one about a  year ago in Jomtien an Indian/Arab looking guy bottled the female manager and a pretty vicious fight ensued, thinking about that incident in the one in Buakow the other night. Not a prude but it was probably what put me off finally going into one ever again.

Best to go out early before everyone's drunk and the cavemen start fights, early at Windmill from 7.30 is fine

[jacko45k]

On 11/24/2023 at 2:01 PM, scubascuba3 said:

Mr Egg tried to do that with Milk on Soi Diamond, must be for sale a year+

Sold it already, just ahead of high season.

[Danderman123]

Snow bar on Soi Chaiyapoon is for sale, so I took a look.

 

Empty inside, no ladies, no customers, just a manager watching the premises.

 

I suspect this bar was started to sell immediately, as is.

[JimTripper]

On 9/10/2023 at 7:54 PM, BenStark said:

The owner of 3 big entertainment places in WS told me a few months ago that Chinese are investing big time in WS

Yep, that's the first sign.

 

Ws will eventually start feeling kind of unwelcome to anyone but Chinese. If you're not Chinese you will visit and kind of think, ho-hum, this isn't really my scene. Back to the expat bar or whatever.

 

Same thing happened in Sihanoukville when I was there before it was colonized by the Chinese. It's a strange feeling as the establishments are very oriented and not welcoming if your not the clientele they are looking for.

Edited November 27, 2023 by JimTripper

[jacko45k]

14 hours ago, JimTripper said:

Same thing happened in Sihanoukville when I was there before it was colonized by the Chinese. It's a strange feeling as the establishments are very oriented and not welcoming if your not the clientele they are looking for.

Didn't that start with them allowing foreign owned casinos to be built, then hotels etc etc? Indicative that if Thailand does decide to allow casinos, the control of them should be kept in domestic hands. 

[Danderman123]

On 9/10/2023 at 7:54 PM, BenStark said:

The owner of 3 big entertainment places in WS told me a few months ago that Chinese are investing big time in WS

Any idea which bars on Walking Street are Chinese owned?

 

A lady told me last year that there was a Chinese owned gogo on WS, but I don't remember the name.

 

What's for sure is that Chinese don't participate in the small bar business very much.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Didn't that start with them allowing foreign owned casinos to be built, then hotels etc etc? Indicative that if Thailand does decide to allow casinos, the control of them should be kept in domestic hands. 

There already have been Chinese owned hotels in Pattaya for a long time.

[scubascuba3]

20 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Any idea which bars on Walking Street are Chinese owned?

 

A lady told me last year that there was a Chinese owned gogo on WS, but I don't remember the name.

 

What's for sure is that Chinese don't participate in the small bar business very much.

Apparently Chinese opened the Golden whatsit where Sugar Baby was, also Panda agogo, both gone

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

Apparently Chinese opened the Golden whatsit where Sugar Baby was, also Panda agogo, both gone

Panda was okay when it first opened......never got to try Golden whatsit!

[Danderman123]

25 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Apparently Chinese opened the Golden whatsit where Sugar Baby was, also Panda agogo, both gone

When did they close?

 

Were they replaced?

[Walker88]

Failure in trying to operate a bar in Thailand is pretty international. Too many build on a dream rather than a Business Plan.

 

There are a few successful foreign bar owners....some French in Pattaya and Americans in Bangkok. Both took the time to understand their market and spend wisely on the venues. Both have solid floor management, too, one has a Frenchman and the Bangkok clubs have a really sharp Thai woman.

 

Other foreigners fail, but their failure doesn't discourage newcomers who have similar poorly-thought out dreams. A venue I know was opened by an Eastern European and never caught on. He sold to some Spaniards and they are doing no better. Too many venues are carbon copies of each other, plus they are in bad locations. The clubs who differentiate themselves with their decor, lighting, media, A/C and filtration, plus with some decent marketing and staff recruitment, win. Create a destination, rather than a "Let's take a look inside this one to see if it's any good", and the chances of success improve.

 

One aside: beer bars are now the purview of Westerners mostly, while the agogo scene is increasingly East Asian, maybe upwards of 70%.  Smoking, drinking and mongering are declining in the West, while steady to increasing in the East.

[JimTripper]

3 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Didn't that start with them allowing foreign owned casinos to be built, then hotels etc etc? Indicative that if Thailand does decide to allow casinos, the control of them should be kept in domestic hands. 

 

The Chinese paid off the Cambodian Gov't for rights. I'm not sure if they own the land or if it's leased. I think it was a one off payment and the Cambodian Gov't did not really get what it was worth, or they were greedy and just jumped at a lump sum offer whatever it was, not really caring about the people or the future of the area. Everything went up very quickly.

 

The good thing about Thailand is there is so much weird stuff with the land. I don't think the Chinese could really ever 100% dig in on the land ownership.

Edited November 28, 2023 by JimTripper