11 hours ago, Alex2554 said:

Labor Department does not require any visa, you can apply on visa exempt. Next step is to obtain a visa that allows to work
 

Oh yes they do!

 

Documents from Foreign Employee:

Original passport and copies of Non-immigrant visa page, latest entry page, and biodata page
Copies of work experience certificates from previous employers
Copies of educational certificates or degrees 
Recently issued medical certificate 
Three 3×4 cm photos taken no more than 6 months
Other relevant certificates and licenses

 

9 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

The thread is about having a non O extensions based on retirement and working.

Very ridiculous when you think about it.

While I concur that the story is doubtful, his extensions are based on being over 50, not retirement

1 minute ago, bigt3116 said:

While I concur that the story is doubtful, his extensions are based on being over 50, not retirement

No.

His extension is not based on being over 50.

It's referred to non O based on retirement.

One of the conditions of that visa is being over 50. 

He cannot work in Thailand with that visa.

 

Same way as non O marriage.

A condition of that visa is that you are married to Thai national.

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

Can get a work permit when on marriage though.

Working in Thailand not a problem for non O marriage guys.

Not the case for non O retirement.

 

Of course there are guys on non O retirement that work but not in Thailand. 

One example oil gas offshore workers..

Just now, DrJack54 said:

Working in Thailand not a problem for non O marriage guys.

Not the case for non O retirement.

 

Of course there are guys on non O retirement that work but not in Thailand. 

One example oil gas offshore workers..

just making it clear for the Non O guys... can work non 0 marriage... cannot work non 0 retirement.

 

Many are confused or just plain ignorant of the various visa and extension types.

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

No.

His extension is not based on being over 50.

It's referred to non O based on retirement.

One of the conditions of that visa is being over 50. 

He cannot work in Thailand with that visa.

 

Same way as non O marriage.

A condition of that visa is that you are married to Thai national.

The main category of people over age 50 who do not work in Thailand is those who are retired. However, there is no requirement (with one exception that I explain below) for you to be retired to receive that Non O visa. [That is how it differs from a Non O based on marriage which does require that you are married.]

 

The exception (which may still exist) is that the Thai embassy in the UK used to issue a multiple entry Non O visa to anyone in receipt of a UK state pension (of any amount).

Until the OP returns and confirms it is indeed an extension of stay , from an O visa, based on retirement and his friend has a WP ( some photographic evidence required ) then this thread is nothing more than speculation.

15 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

His extension is not based on being over 50.

It's referred to non O based on retirement.

Oh yes it is based on being over 50, and only on being over 50 - NOTHING to do with retirement!

 

8 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Of course there are guys on non O retirement that work but not in Thailand. 

One example oil gas offshore workers..

as you yourself stated!

Must be one of the horrible Imm/visa changes that we hear would make expats vacate the country ????

 

What next, no 90 day pulse checks ...  the horror

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Must be one of the horrible Imm/visa changes that we hear would make expats vacate the country ????

 

What next, no 90 day pulse checks ...  the horror

lol, I chuckle heartily over the butthurt some display when it comes to 90 day reporting !!

5 minutes ago, BritTim said:

. However, there is no requirement (with one exception that I explain below) for you to be retired to receive that Non O visa

I posted this above ....

 

"Of course there are guys on non O retirement that work but not in Thailand. 

One example oil gas offshore workers.."

 

The non O retirement short for non O based on retirement does not mean that you are retired.

 

13 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Really?  Have you got some actual evidence of that ever happening or is it just something that you've heard about, i.e. hearsay?   I know you haven't anything regarding the myth of prosection for helping a friend paint his house.

 

I am aware that doing volunteer work without a volunteer visa could attract prosecution but has it ever happened?  

Years back when i was painting our wall.
The police chief in our area come and check up on me.
One of his people have visit someone on our street the day before.
And report to him a foreigner was painting/working.

He ask whose house is it ?
I told him, My wife dad own the house, And we living here.

He say that okay, But IF it was not "our/family" house, I was breaking the law.

So i do think there is something in it...

Kindly.

6 minutes ago, bigt3116 said:

Oh yes it is based on being over 50, and only on being over 50 - NOTHING to do with retirement

Stop being silly.

In all the immigration references they use the term.

Non O retirement

Non O marriage.

 

Nowhere does it refer to....

Non O being over 50.

 

I have already stated that you can  work with a Non O retirement however not in Thailand.

 

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

In all the immigration references they use the term.

Non O retirement

Show me where it asks for proof of retirement? Because I can show you where it asks for proof of being over 50

 

Just because the word retirement is bandied around, does not change the fact that that is NOT a requirement

13 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Gawd...

Please stop quoting him. Even though I've blocked him your quote shows the useless drivel. 

1 minute ago, bigt3116 said:

Show me where it asks for proof of retirement? Because I can show you where it asks for proof of being over 50

 

Just because the word retirement is bandied around, does not change the fact that that is NOT a requirement

But on the visa is written "no working". at the end it doesn't have any importance if you called it over 50 or retirement. The important part is the written part of "no working" in the Non O based on over 50.

 

The retirement which all refer means retirement usage for living in Thailand (no working). even you are working in your home country or any other country.

7 minutes ago, bigt3116 said:

Just because the word retirement is bandied around, does not change the fact that that is NOT a requirement

Never stated it was. 

On 8/19/2023 at 12:16 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

I thought it clearly says "no work" (or employment, something similar) with the retirement visa, or not? 

This was my 11th retirement Visa and last 5 years I tried to get a WP...

The labor department speaks some strange language as it COULD be possible but it won't be in my case because its about helping my wife on the farm, and that's a Thai job.

 

BUT, if I go for the marriage Visa it is no problem, because I help my wife ON our farm but not outside of it. Delivering, transport or selling on the market would be in this case a Thai job...

 

Understood? No? Me neither, but I'll go for the marriage visa next time... 

48 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

lol, I chuckle heartily over the butthurt some display when it comes to 90 day reporting !!

I successfully did my first online one while O&A, and processed in 3 days, and that, over the weekend.  The hoops you have to jump through ... stressful ????

 

At home, I actually enjoy going to the local Imm for 90 day pulse check.  Gets me out of the house, nice country ride on scooter, and I'm usually the only one there, or if Q'd up (sometimes a stack of PP/per agent) for something else, they take me as soon as I walk in.  OK, low key, out of the way Imm office, just wish they did extensions there, instead of the 100 km drive to Hua Hin, though good for day out of shopping & munch.  

 

1-2 hrs a year ain't going to stress me out.

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

lol, I chuckle heartily over the butthurt some display when it comes to 90 day reporting !!

Especially when it can be done online .

16 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Actually I'm little bit surprised that mod has not closed thread.

As usual I could be wrong but this thread is inaccurate imo. 

George was the founder of this forum, in case you didn't know. 

If he say it, I believe it. 

On 8/18/2023 at 11:47 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

Work Permit for Retirees is an IMPORTANT Step forward because:

Huge! Could also mean retirees could become naturalized citizens.

On 8/18/2023 at 10:28 PM, george said:

He got a Tax-ID and social fund as well.

Usually, you can't get the social fund over 60. Maybe the guy is under 60. 

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Usually, you can't get the social fund over 60. Maybe the guy is under 60. 

British guy, 55 years old.

 

Original visa sticker: NON-O with remark “retirement “

 

Extension 1 year without any change in visa type (visa extension labeled RETIREMENT).

 

Labour dept. granted a 1 year WP and he was approved for social fund.

 

 

11 minutes ago, george said:

British guy, 55 years old.

 

Original visa sticker: NON-O with remark “retirement “

 

Extension 1 year without any change in visa type (visa extension labeled RETIREMENT).

 

Labour dept. granted a 1 year WP and he was approved for social fund.

 

 

It would useful to see a photo of the visa. 

 

Good for him -  I advise some expat of that age to get a part-time job as a teacher for a year, in order to get Health insurance for 432 baht a month for life. 

 

 

12 hours ago, ericthai said:

A B visa and a Work permit dont go together they are two separate things and need to be applied.

I had a B visa for 2 years before moving to Thailand and didn't have a work permit as I was only coming for meetings.

Odd then you really didn't need a B visa, unless your meetings were for months. For years I would come here from the US for 1 or 2 week factory visits to check on our products being manufactured.  Arrived on a tourist Visa and left. All my current visiting colleagues do the same. However if you are earning income here you have to have a WP.  I'd have to go back and look at how many days one is here for business before they should what we would call "Officially" apply for a B visa to be on the up and up. Like all these Visa's, there are gray areas and little loop holes and quite frankly the Thai govt doesn't have the bandwidth to monitor it at all.  Not even close. The Thai govt is not going to blacklist or kick out visiting business people if the stay is short even though theoretically they are "Working".  ????

Back to the OP.  While I question the accuracy of the content, the only way this can be validated is a post of the WP and the retirement Visa in place. 

 

I was curious enough that I called my admin as she does all the WP updates for the expats at our factory and asked about a retirement Visa and a WP. She said No.   An expat cannot have a retirement visa and a WP.  The requirements for a retirement visa and extensions are very clearly defined.

 

Now being fair, there is a good chance that the said individual who told the OP is confused or didn't look close at his Visa extension stamped in his Passport "IF" the person really has a WP. Quite honestly acquiring a WP is not just go apply and receive it. The initial application has a pretty long list of requirements then annual reviews require medical and employment confirmation etc.  

30 minutes ago, george said:

British guy, 55 years old.

 

Original visa sticker: NON-O with remark “retirement “

 

Extension 1 year without any change in visa type (visa extension labeled RETIREMENT).

 

Labour dept. granted a 1 year WP and he was approved for social fund.

 

 

Awesome to hear (still no proof though so I remain sceptical).

But is defo an option then for retiree's that cannot get health insurance.

Get a WP and get on Social Security !

18 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Perhaps not so shut and closed. I'm retired and I contribute two to three articles per year to Q1 academic journals. Researching and writing is where you keep up with changing views and new information. I compare this to my erstwhile colleagues in one of Thailand's top university. Nobody has published an article of any sort. Ever. In his or her entire career. They're still employed. I had departmental colleagues in the US and Germany as well who never published. They just kept reciting the same old material every year. 

I worked at top Thai universities and never published anything in 25 years. 

Teachers at my university, which was founded in the 1400s, never had to publish, it's a US thing, where they call teachers 'professors' when they are not really. 

 

 

1 hour ago, george said:

British guy, 55 years old.

 

Original visa sticker: NON-O with remark “retirement “

 

Extension 1 year without any change in visa type (visa extension labeled RETIREMENT).

 

Labour dept. granted a 1 year WP and he was approved for social fund.

 

 

Just because one person has managed to recieve a WP with Non O extension based upon retirement does not mean it is the norm.

 

The OP headline implies that a WP is now available for a Non O retirement. Thus I would expect some official documentation to be provided from the Labor dept. to support this.