save the frogs Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 not sure if this has been discussed on here. there's a thread now with complications connected to burial. why do buddhists believe in cremation? https://rfhr.com/buddhist-death-rituals-and-funeral-rites/#:~:text=Buddhists typically favor cremation because,donation of organs and autopsies. Buddhists typically favor cremation because they believe it is an important way to release the soul from the physical form. Buddha himself was cremated, so his followers often follow his lead. also due to beliefs in reincarnation. https://www.funeralpartners.co.uk/help-advice/arranging-a-funeral/types-of-funerals/buddhist-funerals/ Due to their belief in reincarnation, cremation is seen as the preferred choice when a loved one dies. The physical body holds little significance to the Buddhist faith, it is merely a vessel for holding the soul. but even without the belief system, is it more practical? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted August 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2023 Only if you are dead! 2 1 1 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted August 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2023 "Buddhists typically favor cremation because they believe it is an important way to release the soul from the physical form" is incorrect. That is a Hindu, not Buddhist, belief. Buddhism does not believe in the existence of an immortal soul, period. In fact that is a central tenet. 3 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lacessit Posted August 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2023 It's a personal choice, I prefer cremation. Taking up space in a cemetery with a headstone is not for me. Who will remember most of us three generations from now? I would much rather my ashes are employed for something useful, such as fertilizing a golf course. 4 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rocketboy2 Posted August 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2023 5 hours ago, Lacessit said: Taking up space in a cemetery with a headstone is not for me. Who will remember most of us three generations from now? More like 3 days here. 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2baht Posted August 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Sheryl said: Buddhism does not believe in the existence of an immortal soul, period. In fact that is a central tenet. Ahh, but Thai Buddhism is unique to Thailand! Merit for sale! 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BE88 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Sheryl said: "Buddhists typically favor cremation because they believe it is an important way to release the soul from the physical form" is incorrect. That is a Hindu, not Buddhist, belief. Buddhism does not believe in the existence of an immortal soul, period. In fact that is a central tenet. Still a nice contradiction if they all want to go to heaven with lavish donations to Buddhist temples from the very rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Lacessit said: I would much rather my ashes are employed for something useful, such as fertilizing a golf course. do ashes actually fertilize anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soi3eddie Posted August 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2023 Does it really matter? When we are dead, we are dead. For me, no thoughts of reincarnation. Just visited 3 days ago a churchyard on a hillside in Devon, England. 4 grandparents, stepmother, her widower husband and many other people from the surrounding villages that I knew in childhood. Some cremated, and interrred, some buried. I have long thought that I really don't want to be on that bleak place in the winter. OK maybe being close to loved ones has it's draw. Last year, a friend of mine came to Pattaya and we (he, his GF, other friends and me) took a speedboat out into the bay and scattered the ashes of his deceased father in the waters. A nice simple ceremony with flowers, thoughts and a beer. I see that as a far better place to be. Especially if being nearby was happy times for the deceased. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sammieuk1 Posted August 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2023 I have chosen to be pickled in a Vat 69 barrel but no one is listening to me ???? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JayClay Posted August 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, save the frogs said: do ashes actually fertilize anything? That was my question, too. I can't imagine there being any nutrients in chared body ash. For me the obvious way to give back to the earth would seem to be being burried straight into the ground without any kind of casket. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 58 minutes ago, save the frogs said: do ashes actually fertilize anything? Thai rice farmers seem to think they do, judging by the burnoffs every year. Minerals such as calcium, phosphorus, possibly magnesium. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, JayClay said: That was my question, too. I can't imagine there being any nutrients in chared body ash. For me the obvious way to give back to the earth would seem to be being burried straight into the ground without any kind of casket. If the person died of a communicable disease, not such a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayClay Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Lacessit said: If the person died of a communicable disease, not such a good idea. Okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tandor Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 12:19 AM, Lacessit said: It's a personal choice, I prefer cremation. Taking up space in a cemetery with a headstone is not for me. Who will remember most of us three generations from now? I would much rather my ashes are employed for something useful, such as fertilizing a golf course. GUR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 23 hours ago, JayClay said: That was my question, too. I can't imagine there being any nutrients in chared body ash. For me the obvious way to give back to the earth would seem to be being burried straight into the ground without any kind of casket. I believe the bugs get into those caskets after 1-2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhendis Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 23 hours ago, save the frogs said: do ashes actually fertilize anything? Yep. Carbon is good. Ban burning 'cause of climate change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhendis Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 23 hours ago, JayClay said: That was my question, too. I can't imagine there being any nutrients in chared body ash. For me the obvious way to give back to the earth would seem to be being burried straight into the ground without any kind of casket. Yeah, but 6' down does nothing for top soil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmj Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 It’s not like the old days when everyone lived in the same place and would visit cemeteries. Sure there are some, but for me and my family living all over the world, cremation is the best route. Everyone who wants a bit of your ashes can have some and they can honor you in the best way they know how, or remember you. I’d just want to be put out to sea like I did for my mother. You can always plant a tree with your ashes in it these days. No reason, in my opinion, to waste money and land on a dead body, but I guess religion will determine some burials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Muhendis said: Yep. Carbon is good. Ban burning 'cause of climate change. I did a bit of research on that ... both are bad for the environment it seems, so they're coming up with new ways. there is actually a "green funeral company" in the UK. https://www.thegreenfuneralcompany.co.uk https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jul/09/greener-way-to-go-eco-friendly-way-dispose-of-body-burial-cremation Burial uses too much land; cremation releases too much CO2. So what about composting our loved ones – or even dissolving them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Quote should we get cremated? Who is included in the "we"? I think it should be an individual choice, not a collective one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, klauskunkel said: Who is included in the "we"? I think it should be an individual choice, not a collective one. yeah just wanted people's opinions because i haven't decided yet. thanks to everyone for their comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1FinickyOne Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Saves the fear of being a dead ringer... as one poster had raised... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazykopite Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 I was up in Kanchanaburi a few years back came across a building that housed the remains of Chinese people was told that some of these bodies had been stored for years waiting for burial apparently burial in Thailand is beyond most peoples wealth unless your one of the elites . When my time comes it will be in a ball of fire with my bones cast into the sea I did this for my friend last year everything included was no more than 25,000 baht it could of been cheaper but I decided to give him a good send off 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tropposurfer Posted August 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 9:33 AM, save the frogs said: do ashes actually fertilize anything? Yes, if incorporated into the soil. Chemical composition of human ashes: Phosphate 47.5% Calcium 25.3% Sulfate (Sulphate) 11.00% Potassium 3.69% Sodium 1.12% Chloride 1.00% Silica 0.9% Aluminum Oxide 0.72% 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 6:33 AM, save the frogs said: do ashes actually fertilize anything? Pot ash is good for lawns apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwest5829 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 (edited) On 8/21/2023 at 12:19 AM, Lacessit said: It's a personal choice, I prefer cremation. Taking up space in a cemetery with a headstone is not for me. Who will remember most of us three generations from now? I would much rather my ashes are employed for something useful, such as fertilizing a golf course. Agree. I suppose, having been raised on the East US Coast had something to do with my outlook. I saw two cemeteries, with some graves dating back to the founding of the country “moved” in order to use the space for businesses. That and the “ashes to ashes, dust to dust” thingy. Add in my inclination toward Buddhist teachings and that is the way I go. Not important … if later genealogy work by family? My life is well recorded in the records kept on us in our time period. Edited August 22, 2023 by wwest5829 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwest5829 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 2 hours ago, klauskunkel said: Who is included in the "we"? I think it should be an individual choice, not a collective one. Perhaps using the “imperial we”? Tongue in cheek … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhendis Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said: Yes, if incorporated into the soil. Chemical composition of human ashes: Phosphate 47.5% Calcium 25.3% Sulfate (Sulphate) 11.00% Potassium 3.69% Sodium 1.12% Chloride 1.00% Silica 0.9% Aluminum Oxide 0.72% Interesting post. What is your source of information please. This from Wiki Cremated remains are mostly dry calcium phosphates with some minor minerals, such as salts of sodium and potassium. Sulfur and most carbon are driven off as oxidized gases during the process, although about 1–4% of carbon remains[63] as carbonate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 There is precious little enough and as it is. Land should be for the living to use not for planting people in wooden boxes So for that reason I'm going with cremation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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