Opinion Biden’s plot to send America back into lockdown must be stopped

[Bkk Brian]

46 minutes ago, morrobay said:

I have always said the vaccines save lives in those with comorbidities like obesity, diabetis, hypertension, liver, kidney disease, cigarette smokers.But a healthy person should not risk the side effects of this stuff. And to those who say get vaccinated for the benafit of the general population: 1) the vaccines do not prevent transmission 2) It is  these self imposed unhealthy lifestyles that is more responsible for transmission between these sickly people 

the vaccines do not prevent transmission

 

Well that's certainly debatable since Omicron came along, however most deaths were caused before Omicron and:

 

Pfizer vax did reduce transmission of early variants

Within months of the vaccine hitting the market, researchers in the UK (here) and Israel (here) began publishing studies suggesting that the Pfizer vaccine was reducing transmission of the virus.

In February 2021, for example, Israeli data (here) showed a sharp drop in infections among healthcare workers within 15-28 days of receiving the two-shot Pfizer vaccine series, indicating the vaccine was not just preventing symptomatic disease, but also preventing the virus from being passed from person to person.

“Whether it is 75 or 90 percent reduction doesn’t matter - it is a big drop in transmission,”

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-pfizer-vaccine-transmission-idUSL1N31F20E

[proton]

8 hours ago, candide said:

It seems to be the motto among the right-wing: if you can't find anything against Joe Biden, just make it up! ????

No need to make anything up, he provides evidence almost every time he speaks that he is incompetent and should not be in the post.

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Well the reason I ask is because the article didn't support what you claimed. Did you read the follow-up paragraph?

[impulse]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Really? A common side effect? Got any actual evidence to support that? Or was your source Will Witt?

3 of my doctors and a couple of my nurses. 

 

Why do you figure they'd lie to me?

 

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Just now, impulse said:

3 of my doctors and a couple of my nurses. 

 

Why do you figure they'd lie to me?

 

I guess I must have missed that article that was published in the journal of three of my doctors and couple of nurses .

You got any evidence from actual epidemiological studies?

[impulse]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I guess I must have missed that article that was published in the journal of three of my doctors and couple of nurses .

You got any evidence from actual epidemiological studies?

As if you or I are qualified to look at an epidemiological study, evaluate the results and how they compare and conflict with the dozens of other studies on the topic. 

 

But there are people who do that for a living.  We call them doctors and nurses.  

[metisdead]

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11 minutes ago, impulse said:

As if you or I are qualified to look at an epidemiological study, evaluate the results and how they compare and conflict with the dozens of other studies on the topic. 

 

But there are people who do that for a living.  We call them doctors and nurses.  

No, unless doctors and nurses are also epidemiologists, they're not qualified to examine and compare the results of studies. You think because doctors wear white, that makes them scientists or statisticians?

Anyway, "evidence" like yours is useless. Come up with something that's independently verifiable. 

From the landing page of The World Forum:

 "Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

https://aseannow.com/forum/158-world-news/

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Well gee wizz I worked out of national city for 26 years at least that was our base of operations sooo naaaa i suggest you hang out in a better part of town I do not live in a gated community but I do delight in the diversity of my neighbors all middle class nice houses very few rental properties most owner occupied im back in this one for 2 years till I sell it and move back to one of my Arizona properties (I prefer some acreage) so nope lots of money in California most folks take real good care of their property it’s valuable this place is humming but heck what would you expect with the 5th largest economy on the planet and it’s only a state sorry but I’m just not buying the doom and gloom 

I guess National City Blvd and Broadway is beneath you. But, I won't follow you down the rabbit hole of Off topic.

[stevenl]

24 minutes ago, impulse said:

As if you or I are qualified to look at an epidemiological study, evaluate the results and how they compare and conflict with the dozens of other studies on the topic. 

 

But there are people who do that for a living.  We call them doctors and nurses.  

Nonsense.

Doctors and nurses don't for a living look at an epidemiological study, evaluate the results and how they compare and conflict with the dozens of other studies on the topic. 

[Eleftheros]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

You are vaccinated against polio, tetanus, hepatitis and typhoid? Or did you roll the dice with those too?

A futile comparison.

 

Polio is an extremely serious disease for a significant proportion of people who catch it, and has a well-tried and tested, effective vaccine. Of course people take vaccines against polio.

 

For every disease, there is a risk/benefit analysis - the more serious the disease, and the better the vaccine, the more likely people are to get vaccinated.

 

For Covid, many people have looked at the data and concluded: "Vaccination? Not this disease, not these vaccines, and not these health authorities."

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1 minute ago, Eleftheros said:

A futile comparison.

 

Polio is an extremely serious disease for a significant proportion of people who catch it, and has a well-tried and tested, effective vaccine. Of course people take vaccines against polio.

 

For every disease, there is a risk/benefit analysis - the more serious the disease, and the better the vaccine, the more likely people are to get vaccinated.

 

For Covid, many people have looked at the data and concluded: "Vaccination? Not this disease, not these vaccines, and not these health authorities."

And many people died as a result of such foolishness. Not only that, but because hospitals were overloaded with vaccine refuseniks, people with other illnesses received a lower standard of care.

[VocalNeal]

On 8/25/2023 at 7:45 AM, Social Media said:

The Lionsgate film studio in Los Angeles has told their crews to wear masks again.

Probably got lots of Indians working there????

[bbko]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well I am going to get into the covid business and ask you why so many more died of covid in red states?

My brother was one of those anti-vaccine types, then he caught covid and ended up in an ICU needing an oxygen face mask.  Now he changed his mind.

[Red Phoenix]

3 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

A futile comparison.

 

Polio is an extremely serious disease for a significant proportion of people who catch it, and has a well-tried and tested, effective vaccine. Of course people take vaccines against polio.

 

For every disease, there is a risk/benefit analysis - the more serious the disease, and the better the vaccine, the more likely people are to get vaccinated.

 

For Covid, many people have looked at the data and concluded: "Vaccination? Not this disease, not these vaccines, and not these health authorities."

Hi @Eleftheros> Although I am in agreement with most of your posts, this one I cannot agree with.  The Polio vax success is as good as always mentioned as 'proven fact'.  Until you actually research the subject and then a whole different story emerges...   

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3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Hi @Eleftheros> Although I am in agreement with most of your posts, this one I cannot agree with.  The Polio vax success is as good as always mentioned as 'proven fact'.  Until you actually research the subject and then a whole different story emerges...   

Got any links to support your claim?

[stevenl]

22 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

A futile comparison.

 

Polio is an extremely serious disease for a significant proportion of people who catch it, and has a well-tried and tested, effective vaccine. Of course people take vaccines against polio.

 

For every disease, there is a risk/benefit analysis - the more serious the disease, and the better the vaccine, the more likely people are to get vaccinated.

 

For Covid, many people have looked at the data and concluded: "Vaccination? Not this disease, not these vaccines, and not these health authorities."

Some looked at the data, many just followed the conspiracy theories.

[LennyW]

It's all about the 10% to the big man!!

[HappyExpat57]

5 hours ago, morrobay said:

Oh yeah sure. Like dismantling the incomplete Southern border structures, allowing in thousands of illegals to flood in with benefits, allowing anarchy in the cities, supporting the military industrial complex on that not such a winding road from Afghanistan to Ukraine. And I've about given up replying to you people. And not even going to get into this covid business. Except to say I am unvaccinated for SARS-CoV-2

Illegal entries have gone down significantly since Biden took office.

 

https://cis.org/Arthur/Fact-Check-Illegal-Immigration-Down-90-Percent-Thanks-Biden

[HappyExpat57]

19 minutes ago, bbko said:

My brother was one of those anti-vaccine types, then he caught covid and ended up in an ICU needing an oxygen face mask.  Now he changed his mind.

No atheists in the foxhole, no anti-vaxxer nuts in the ICU.

[billd766]

9 hours ago, candide said:

It seems to be the motto among the right-wing: if you can't find anything against Joe Biden, just make it up! ????

Millions of MAGA supporters will believe it.

[impulse]

9 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Illegal entries have gone down significantly since Biden took office.

 

https://cis.org/Arthur/Fact-Check-Illegal-Immigration-Down-90-Percent-Thanks-Biden

Did you even read it?

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10 minutes ago, LennyW said:

It's all about the 10% to the big man!!

Actually, that remark was puncuated with a question mark. And Hunter Biden reported in a later text that his father met his request to join the business with an "emphatic no."

But a subsequent email from Hunter says his “Chairman” gave him “an emphatic no,” and a further email clarifies that the chairman is his dad.

https://www.vox.com/22992772/hunter-biden-laptop

 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

3 of my doctors and a couple of my nurses. 

 

Why do you figure they'd lie to me?

 

Yeah, right. The other leg plays jingle bells. Unless you can point to credible research to support your claim then it's misinformation.

Edited August 27, 2023 by ozimoron

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6 hours ago, impulse said:

Did you even read it?

Center for Immigration Studies is a notoriously unreliable source of immigration information. And the article you cite is about the Press Secretary's claim. Not whether or not unauthorized immigration is up or down.

 

Illegal Immigration Gets Less Attention When It Falls

Recent news coverage indicates illegal immigration gets less attention when it falls. Articles about the significant drop in illegal entry in recent months have been less noticeable than earlier stories, which often appeared on the front page when numbers on the border spiked. Some argue it’s not surprising editors may view “bad news” as more newsworthy. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2023/08/01/illegal-immigration-gets-less-attention-when-it-falls/?sh=17adc2426750

Edited August 27, 2023 by metisdead
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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Since when did this forum's World NEWS subforum become the nonsense right-wing fanatic opinion piece forum?

 

I'm not even going to dignify the rest of the rubbish OP with any further response.

 

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[PREM-R]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Since when did this forum's World NEWS subforum become the nonsense right-wing fanatic opinion piece forum?

 

Since 'throwing a rock into a pond creates big ripples'  Controversial  subjects attract more 'clicks'  and responses. Very useful when you are trying to sell your website.  Nudge,nudge, wink wink. Say n' more.

[Lacessit]

36 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

A futile comparison.

 

Polio is an extremely serious disease for a significant proportion of people who catch it, and has a well-tried and tested, effective vaccine. Of course people take vaccines against polio.

 

For every disease, there is a risk/benefit analysis - the more serious the disease, and the better the vaccine, the more likely people are to get vaccinated.

 

For Covid, many people have looked at the data and concluded: "Vaccination? Not this disease, not these vaccines, and not these health authorities."

All the vaccines for the diseases I specified in my post were new technology when first developed, going all the way back to Jenner's smallpox vaccine.

 

The difference now is social media, where thousands of conspiracy theorists can conclude Bill Gates has engineered a nanochip added to every COVID vaccine,  for the purpose of mind control. Or even more morons who focus on the side reactions in a minuscule few, ignoring the benefits to millions, because it does not suit their confirmation bias. How can they have the same credibility as people who have years of training and experience in a highly skilled field?

 

Health professionals vaccinated me for COVID. I am in the most vulnerable cohort. Subsequently, I got COVID. Three days of a sore throat and runny nose, finis.

 

When I read statistics that say an unvaccinated person is 6-7 times more likely to be admitted to an ICU than someone who is vaccinated against COVID, I recall  Einstein's observation on limits of the universe and human stupidity.

 

It's your opinion the comparison is futile. IMO your attempt at refutation definitely is.

 

 

 

 

[proton]

Total embarrassment

 

 

[billd766]

5 minutes ago, proton said:

Total embarrassment

 

 

Is this the best response that you can come up with?

 

It seems to me that you are the one who should be totally embarrassed.

Edited August 27, 2023 by billd766
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