2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

We created most of the pain. God has a right to be mad if we break his laws. He created everything so he can choose his laws, and they do make sense. As far as diseases that kill and hurt, that I myself don't fully understand, but again, life is short in any event.

We created most of the pain.

Oh yes, I forgot that we created cancer, Alzheimer's disease,  motor neurone disease and multiple sclerosis.

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/29/2023 at 9:02 AM, Bert got kinky said:

My research has convinced me without a doubt that there's life after death.

Well Jeffrey, my personal research has convinced me without a doubt that you are a complete numpty and that you should not be let loose amongst patients.

If you choose to believe in such hocus pocus tosh, you would be better suited as a patient in a Victorian mental asylum.

Not exactly a member of the Open Mind Team are you.

There is lots of evidence of life after death, especially in countries that believe in reincarnation. Countless verified stories especially from India.

you might want to check out the availability of your local mental asylum. Grin,

6 minutes ago, bignok said:

Nonsense. Edison invented the lightbulb by eliminating the impossible. Just admit you are full of crap.

Nonsense! Edison did not invent the light bulb, he refined the design and commercialised it successfully!

 

Historians Robert Friedel and Paul Israel list inventors of incandescent lamps prior to Joseph Swan and Thomas Edison of General Electric. They conclude that Edison's version was able to outstrip the others because of a combination of three factors: an effective incandescent material, a higher vacuum than others were able to achieve (by use of the Sprengel pump) and a high resistance that made power distribution from a centralized source economically viable.

Incandescent light bulb - Wikipedia

 

5 minutes ago, Mansell said:

Not exactly a member of the Open Mind Team are you.

There is lots of evidence of life after death, especially in countries that believe in reincarnation. Countless verified stories especially from India.

you might want to check out the availability of your local mental asylum. Grin,

There is lots of evidence of life after death

Well, instead of gobbing it off, perhaps you might want to share your evidence, not fairy tales, real evidence. Grinx2,

 

 

On 8/29/2023 at 8:54 AM, mania said:

At 3.5 weeks, the fetus will have formed the heart, begins development of the brain and spinal cord, and starts forming the gastrointestinal tract.

absolute tosh!

 

https://www.babycenter.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/3-weeks-pregnant

 

What a pile of canine faeces

55 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It's your choice to either read or not read what anyone writes. We don't "move along" because someone disagrees with us.

Not interested in anything you have to say so please go away.

40 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

There is lots of evidence of life after death

Well, instead of gobbing it off, perhaps you might want to share your evidence, not fairy tales, real evidence. Grinx2,

 

 

You could start looking for different books that talk about apparent death maybe your sarcasm could fly away.

 

9 minutes ago, pomchop said:

Not interested in anything you have to say so please go away.

It's your choice to either read or not read what anyone writes. We don't "move along" because someone disagrees with us.

5 minutes ago, BE88 said:

You could start looking for different books that talk about apparent death maybe your sarcasm could fly away.

 

That's not how this works, It's impossible to prove that something does not exist.

The Romans believed that mortals were created by their god Vulcan, how is it possible to prove that wrong?

The onus is on believers to prove that what they believe in does exist or otherwise it's just an idea, nothing else.

 

1 minute ago, Bert got kinky said:

That's not how this works, It's impossible to prove that something does not exist.

The Romans believed that mortals were created by their god Vulcan, how is it possible to prove that wrong?

The onus is on believers to prove that what they believe in does exist or otherwise it's just an idea, nothing else.

 

Does Big foot exist? 

6 minutes ago, bignok said:

Does Big foot exist? 

Shaquille O'Neal?

 

9 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

That's not how this works, It's impossible to prove that something does not exist.

The Romans believed that mortals were created by their god Vulcan, how is it possible to prove that wrong?

The onus is on believers to prove that what they believe in does exist or otherwise it's just an idea, nothing else.

 

That's why I advised you to read what people have tried, many of them all changed their lives after this experience, I remember a Wall Street lawyer who was a finance gangster who changed so radically that he opened a lawyer in NY to help all those poor people who couldn't afford a lawyer.

These are living proofs not fantasies.

 

Just now, BE88 said:

That's why I advised you to read what people have tried, many of them all changed their lives after this experience, I remember a Wall Street lawyer who was a finance gangster who changed so radically that he opened a lawyer in NY to help all those poor people who couldn't afford a lawyer.

These are living proofs not fantasies.

 

No they are not proof.

There is no evidence at all, just what people have said that they have experienced.

If I told you that I visit Mars every night would you believe me just on my word or would you want proof?

Absolute fantasy and anyone who believes in this guff is a fantasist.

 

11 hours ago, bignok said:

Yes you can.

Excellent.  You've made a positive claim, thus it is up to you to provide supporting evidence.  I've googled the poop out of "atomic leprechaun" and come up empty aside from some dude using that handle on Youtube.

 

So how about you define the qualities of atomic leprechauns and provide their physical characteristics and then detail the appropriate testing methods to confirm their existence.

 

Oh, wait, I think I found it!  I'll test for "Pink Hearts, Orange Stars, Yellow Moons, and Green Clovers!”

 

 

WHO CARES!

Anyone who believes in life after death clearly has zero understanding of science.

 

 

55555.  You've convinced yourself hey that's Ok But Don't Try to convince us  that what you  believe is  right .

On 8/29/2023 at 8:39 AM, Social Media said:

 

• Jeffrey Long is a radiation oncologist in Kentucky.

• He's also founder of the Near-Death Experience Research Foundation.

• He says studying near-death experiences has made him a better cancer doctor.

 

This as-told-to essay is based on a conversation with Jeffrey Long. It has been edited for length and clarity.

Thirty-seven years ago I was an oncologist resident, learning about how best to treat cancer using radiation. These were the pre-internet days, so I did my research in the library. One day I was flipping through a large volume of the Journal of American Medical Association when I came across an article describing near-death experiences.

It stopped me in my tracks. All my medical training told me you were either alive or dead. There was no in-between. But suddenly, I was reading from a cardiologist describing patients who had died, then come back to life, reporting very distinct, almost unbelievable experiences.

From that moment, I was fascinated with near-death experiences or NDEs. I define a near-death experience as someone who is either comatose or clinically dead, without a heartbeat, having a lucid experience where they see, hear, feel emotions, and interact with other beings. Learning more about these experiences has fundamentally changed my view of the universe.

Near-death experiences have common threads

When I finished my residency, I started the Near-Death Experience Research Foundation. I started collecting stories from people who had NDEs and evaluating them with the mind of a scientist and doctor. I make opinions based on evidence and came into this as a skeptic. But in the face of overwhelming evidence, I've come to believe there's certainly an afterlife.

No two NDEs are the same. But as I studied thousands of them, I saw a consistent pattern of events, emerging in a predictable order. About 45% of people who have an NDE report an out-of-body experience. When this happens, their consciousness separates from their physical body, usually hovering above the body. The person can see and hear what's happening around them, which usually includes frantic attempts to revive them. One woman even reported a doctor throwing a tool on the floor when he picked up the wrong one—something the doctor later confirmed.

After the out-of-body experience, people say they're transported into another realm. Many pass through a tunnel and experience a bright light. Then they're greeted by deceased loved ones, including pets, who are in the prime of their lives. Most people report an overwhelming sense of love and peace. They feel like this other realm is their real home.

 

FULL ARTICLE

 

good article.. but wasted here..you will get personally attacked for it..little insight or even an attempt of a balanced discussion possible here..just sad that the barstool cowboys know everything already 

48 minutes ago, Freddy42OZ said:

Anyone who believes in life after death clearly has zero understanding of science.

 

 

That includes half of the world's scientists who believe in God.

20 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

. If you choose to be an atheist, and when you die and come before Him, what will you say then? I don't doubt he exists, and knowing this life and all its <deleted> will end someday, believing there is a better place with no more pain is comforting.

Him? You mean Zeus? Or is it Thor? Maybe Allah? Yahweh?

 

Pascal's Wager didn't note that there are not just two possibilities, as in Nothing or the Christian god.

 

As for your Christian god, I really don't need a guy with such a miserable moral code. The guy's kid had 33 years to tell us that owning other human beings is wrong, but failed to do so. Plenty of his biographers spoke about treatment of slaves, but there was no ban on owning other human beings.

 

Frankly, who needs that kind of deity.

32 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Him? You mean Zeus? Or is it Thor? Maybe Allah? Yahweh?

 

Pascal's Wager didn't note that there are not just two possibilities, as in Nothing or the Christian god.

 

As for your Christian god, I really don't need a guy with such a miserable moral code. The guy's kid had 33 years to tell us that owning other human beings is wrong, but failed to do so. Plenty of his biographers spoke about treatment of slaves, but there was no ban on owning other human beings.

 

Frankly, who needs that kind of deity.

It's called faith, in believing in something you can't see nor understand. He lets bad things happen for his own reasons, which are light years ahead of ours. What's the alternative, as i stated before? We all came from nothing? All of the planets, microbes, species, how the brain works, that all life on our planet needs air, food and water, to exist. That the earth is just the right distance from the sun to have this all happen, with a moon that controls the tides, with no evidence of life anywhere else , at least in our solar system. All the things on earth and how they work together. All composed of matter. All of this just happened to be, all from nothing? I chose to believe because of faith, and that it just makes more sense to know something created all of it.

I think the clue is in the label:

 

NEAR Death Experience.

 

Or it would be called resurrection.

2 minutes ago, BusyB said:

I think the clue is in the label:

 

NEAR Death Experience.

 

Or it would be called resurrection.

Right. The only life after death is life for those organisms who eat your carcass.

On 8/29/2023 at 1:47 PM, Neeranam said:

LSD etc have been known for centuries to induce spiritual experiences. 

Some guys like Timothy Leary or some Doctors and Professors in the Duke's Universtity in Durham did a lot of research about... 

 

The normal brain in operation is about 20% activated, but under influence of LSD, Psylocibin or Ayahuasca it increases to 80%-90%...

 

During your "Trip" you can reach a lot more informations hidden inside (memories, learned stuff and so on) and if you keep it going, you actually open too much "windows" at once and eventually all stuff taken out doesn't find its way back into the previous "storage" cell. 

Result:

"Tilt, Game Over! Ya, stuck on a Trip, turned into a proper fruitcake now and the shrink needs at least 1 year to get you back on the track.

Often with minor leftover damages like having sometimes the sudden need to pick Daisy Flowers under the Table in a street café "

 

Sorry, its not spiritual. It's just your brain with a few more fuses blown... 

On 8/29/2023 at 8:39 AM, Social Media said:

But in the face of overwhelming evidence, I've come to believe there's certainly an afterlife.

Nonsense. Someone who experiences a NDE simply isn't actually dead yet. This is only evidence for the fact that the definition of "clinically dead" is flawed, nothing else.

15 minutes ago, Reginald Prewster said:

Sorry, its not spiritual. It's just your brain with a few more fuses blown... 

I disagree. 

You mention leary, what about his partner, Ram Dass, was he not spiritual? 

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

I disagree. 

You mention leary, what about his partner, Ram Dass, was he not spiritual? 

No, nothing and nobody is spiritual.

 

All LSD did for me was to want to hide from cars.

7 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Sorry you had something happen in your life which led you astray, but the alternative to having a creator isn't possible. The universe, which is all matter, cannot happen from nothing. Some try to explain this away but none of it makes sense. They believe in other non believers theories because of their hatred or ambivalence towards a God, which is also shared by those same non believers. Very sad when you have no hope for a better life after this hurtful one. I choose to believe there's a reason things aren't well here, one we can't yet understand. We aren't weak followers, but strong in our faith. Our faith is challenged constantly, which shows how strong we can be if we choose. Think of how this world would be if there weren't any believers. The chaos would end the world population in a very short time. Be thankful there are those who choose to try and follow his commandments.

Who created the creator?

2 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Who created the creator?

Always there. Yes, I know it's beyond our understanding, because everything we know has a beginning and an end.