Elon Musk says he withheld Starlink over Crimea to avoid escalation

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Elon Musk says he refused to give Kyiv access to his Starlink communications network over Crimea to avoid complicity in a "major act of war".

Kyiv had sent an emergency request to activate Starlink to Sevastopol, home to a major Russian navy port, he said.

His comments came after a book alleged he had switched off Starlink to thwart a drone attack on Russian ships.

A senior Ukrainian official says this enabled Russian attacks and accused him of "committing evil".

Russian naval vessels had since taken part in deadly attacks on civilians, he said.

"By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via Starlink interference, Elon Musk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities," he said.

 

"Why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?" he added.

The row follows the release of a biography of the billionaire by Walter Isaacson which alleges that Mr Musk switched off Ukraine's access to Starlink because he feared that an ambush of Russia's naval fleet in Crimea could provoke a nuclear response from the Kremlin.

 

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[Chomper Higgot]

He’s had private talks with Putin, peddles pro Russian propaganda and acts in Putin’s interests.

 

Time to see Musk for what he is, an agent of a tyrant.

[retarius]

I've always been 50:50 about Musk. But he has certainly gone up in my estimation. His morals and reasoning are sound. Plus it may prevent Russia shooting down his satellites when the war escalates.

[Tug]

Musk is a totalitarian at heart .l wish he had more humanity inexcusable in my book just rotten to the core.Mr musk should perhaps think about this the president of Ukraine is welcomed all over the world he is idolized adored and admired whereas mr Putin the war criminal is reduced to begging for weapons from n Korea keeping that in mind just what side of history do you want to be on mr musk?

Edited September 9, 2023 by Tug

[ozimoron]

He is complicit. He's on Trump / Putin's side.

[Tug]

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

He is complicit. He's on Trump / Putin's side.

I’m afaraid you are right

[RuamRudy]

The fact that there are private individuals with the personal resources at their disposal which could tangibly impact geopolitics at this level is truly scary. Such resources are too critical to be left up to the whims of petulant egomaniacs. 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Tug said:

I’m afraid you are right

He is also very rich but not as rich as he was.

[impulse]

So let's summarize.  He gave millions of Ukrainians satellite interweb access to get on with daily life and business.  Access that probably saved many lives and livelihoods. 

 

But he drew the line at giving them access that would have killed Russians and possibly resulted in a retaliatory nuclear attack.

 

And he's the bad guy, how?

 

[MrMojoRisin]

Musk appears to have lost the plot, I cannot imagine he will live to a ripe old age. He should cash in, retire and enjoy life as much as he can before the final curtain call.

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

So let's summarize.  He gave millions of Ukrainians satellite interweb access to get on with daily life and business.  Access that probably saved many lives and livelihoods. 

 

But he drew the line at giving them access that would have killed Russians and possibly resulted in a retaliatory nuclear attack.

 

And he's the bad guy, how?

 

newsflash: Russia is the enemy of the US and many other countries.

[impulse]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

newsflash: Russia is the enemy of the US and many other countries.

Sounds like another Derangement Syndrome.  RDS.  The majority of Americans I know would rather just live and let live with the Russkies.

 

Musk could have just not given Ukraine any interweb access, and nobody would have said boo.  Of course, thousands of Ukes would have died and what little economy they have would have ground to a halt.  Did anyone call out Bill Gates for not sending them $$ millions in computers?  Or Zuckerberg for not sending $$ millions of whatever he has to offer?

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Sounds like another Derangement Syndrome.  RDS.  The majority of Americans I know would rather just live and let live with the Russkies.

 

Musk could have just not given Ukraine any interweb access, and nobody would have said boo.  Of course, thousands of Ukes would have died and what little economy they have would have ground to a halt.  Did anyone call out Bill Gates for not sending them $$ millions in computers?  Or Zuckerberg for not sending $$ millions of whatever he has to offer?

Says a lot about the poor character and intellectual limitations of the Americans you know.

[impulse]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Says a lot about the poor character and intellectual limitations of the Americans you know.

Yeah.  I try not to hang out with war mongers.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

Yeah.  I try not to hang out with war mongers.

 

Yet you have no qualms about letting war mongers war (that is what Putin is doing isn’t it?)

 

 

[billd766]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

So let's summarize.  He gave millions of Ukrainians satellite interweb access to get on with daily life and business.  Access that probably saved many lives and livelihoods. 

 

But he drew the line at giving them access that would have killed Russians and possibly resulted in a retaliatory nuclear attack.

 

And he's the bad guy, how?

 

Did he give the Russians the same denial of access that he so generously gave to the Ukrainians? 

 

If he was even handed that is reasonable, if he favoured the Russians over the Ukrainians, that would make him the bad guy.

 

Fortunately I suspect that the Ukrainians got better access via the US and EU satellites. 

[impulse]

20 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Yet you have no qualms about letting war mongers war (that is what Putin is doing isn’t it?)

Which is worse, letting war mongers war or allowing ethnic cleansing? 

 

In either case, I'd rather see the USA spend those $$$ billions that we don't have on solving American problems.

 

But this thread is about Elon Musk, who probably did more for the Ukrainians than any other individual in the world.  And he's being maligned here because he tried to prevent a nuclear exchange.

 

Edited September 9, 2023 by impulse

[MrMojoRisin]

22 minutes ago, impulse said:

Which is worse, letting war mongers war or allowing ethnic cleansing? 

 

In either case, I'd rather see the USA spend those $$$ billions that we don't have on solving American problems.

What are you claiming - that Putin invaded the Ukraine to prevent ethnic cleansing?

 

Utter nonsense

 

The Trump cultist insane support of Putin has Reagan turning in his grave.

 

As if America is ever going to spend $$$ anywhere other than the military industrial complex.
 

22 minutes ago, impulse said:

But this thread is about Elon Musk, who probably did more for the Ukrainians than any other individual in the world.  And he's being maligned here because he tried to prevent a nuclear exchange.

Can’t argue with this.

Edited September 9, 2023 by MrMojoRisin

[stevenl]

Good he wasn't born in the USA, or he'd buy his way to the presidency.

[Tug]

11 hours ago, impulse said:

Sounds like another Derangement Syndrome.  RDS.  The majority of Americans I know would rather just live and let live with the Russkies.

 

Musk could have just not given Ukraine any interweb access, and nobody would have said boo.  Of course, thousands of Ukes would have died and what little economy they have would have ground to a halt.  Did anyone call out Bill Gates for not sending them $$ millions in computers?  Or Zuckerberg for not sending $$ millions of whatever he has to offer?

The majority of Americans do not support someone who helps war criminals the majority of Americans want to destroy war criminals I suggest mr musk not back the wrong horse I suggest you broaden your American circle of friends as far as the Russian people are concerned it’s sad they have been repressed so long they have a rich and storied history and culture the world would rejoice and be overjoyed to welcome an enlightened and freely democratic Russia (I have a feeling many Russians yearn for this as well)

[Skipalongcassidy]

The "HATERS" gonna hate thread... same MO just a different target.

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The "HATERS" gonna hate thread... same MO just a different target.

What's strange is they're not hating on all the countries and organizations donating humanitarian aid to Ukraine, but forgetting to send weapons.  Something about staying neutral...

 

But Musk is taking it in the shorts here for doing the same.

 

[Skipalongcassidy]

29 minutes ago, impulse said:

What's strange is they're not hating on all the countries and organizations donating humanitarian aid to Ukraine, but forgetting to send weapons.  Something about staying neutral...

 

But Musk is taking it in the shorts here for doing the same.

 

Mostly because they don't have a clue about those other countries because their "news" sources don't put out the headlines... 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

What's strange is they're not hating on all the countries and organizations donating humanitarian aid to Ukraine, but forgetting to send weapons.  Something about staying neutral...

 

But Musk is taking it in the shorts here for doing the same.

 

Yes they are.  But more importantly, they're hating on all politicians (and people) who support Russia in any way, shape or form.

Edited September 10, 2023 by ozimoron

[herfiehandbag]

Elon Musk is playing God!

[bendejo]

13 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

As if America is ever going to spend $$$ anywhere other than the military industrial complex.

Well, they sent military transports full of bottled water to LOS in tsunami relief.  And you should have seen the mark-up the middlemen made on it!

For more info on this sort of thing lookup "Brown & Root" (they night now be called KBR).  BTW, W's VP ran the company for a while, so you know where on the political spectrum this is.

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, bendejo said:

Well, they sent military transports full of bottled water to LOS in tsunami relief.  And you should have seen the mark-up the middlemen made on it!

For more info on this sort of thing lookup "Brown & Root" (they night now be called KBR).  BTW, W's VP ran the company for a while, so you know where on the political spectrum this is.

 

Could we just call them the far right dark money lobbyists behind the military industrial complex?

[bendejo]

51 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Could we just call them the far right dark money lobbyists behind the military industrial complex?

I prefer to use my grandfather's all-inclusive term: sc_mbags.

 

This Elon, every few weeks he does yet another thing to make himself look like a James Bond villain.  There is at least one movie where the bad guy does something along the lines of this Ukraine incident.  Maybe like orange guy, he's turned his own life into reality TV, and gets his name in the news every day.  We can look forward to the various series finales. 

 

[LosLobo]

 

 

[illisdean]

Elon Musk is the voice of reason and not a war mongering fool like the US proxy war establishment .

He's no fool either knowing full well "If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation."

Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's former prime minister, tweeted: "If what Isaacson has written in his book is true, then it looks like Musk is the last adequate mind in North America."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66752264