Rand Paul: Withdraw Ukraine money if you want to avoid shutdown

[Social Media]

 

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) reiterated his threat Thursday to hold up a Senate government funding bill because it includes more than $6 billion in funding for Ukraine. 

Paul wrote on X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter, that he would only allow a vote on the spending stopgap before the Sept. 30 deadline for funding government if Senate leaders pull out the money for Ukraine.  

“To avoid a government shutdown, I will consent to an expedited vote on a clean CR without Ukraine aid on it. If leadership insists on funding another country’s government at the expense of our own government, all blame rests with their intransigence,” he wrote. 

So far, neither Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) nor Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) have signaled any willingness to pull the Ukraine money out of the bill.

“I’m comfortable with the way we put together the Senate bill,” McConnell told reporters Wednesday. 

Anticipating Paul’s objections to speeding up the floor debate, leaders have told rank-and-file senators to expect to vote through Sunday to get the temporary funding measure through the Senate. It would fund the government until Nov. 17. 

 

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[Hanaguma]

Sounds reasonable. Spending more money on Ukraine should be part of a separate bill, not the general government spending one. Let Congress debate openly about whether or not to add $6 billion to the national debt for that conflict. No reason for the US to pay the salaries of first responders and the like in another country.

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1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Sounds reasonable. Spending more money on Ukraine should be part of a separate bill, not the general government spending one. Let Congress debate openly about whether or not to add $6 billion to the national debt for that conflict. No reason for the US to pay the salaries of first responders and the like in another country.

His support is unnecessary since there are enough Republican votes in the Senate to ensure passage with Ukraine funding in place.

[Tug]

That was a blunder on his part imo now he is exposed as Putin’s bitch and Donnie’s little poodle all for no gain because his vote is un necessary 

[novacova]

30 minutes ago, Social Media said:

Paul wrote on X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter, that he would only allow a vote on the spending stopgap before the Sept. 30 deadline for funding government if Senate leaders pull out the money for Ukraine.

Good ???? shut down the government until the insanity is reined in.

[KhunLA]

Since no real accounting, oversight to where that 6 billion is going, it is a bit silly.

 

Too many veterans & homeless need more than they are getting now, before spending USA tax dollars overseas.

[Chomper Higgot]

Paul Rand doing Putin’s bidding.

 

Shout it loud.

 

’Russia Hoax’

 

Shout it again!

[Hanaguma]

9 minutes ago, Tug said:

That was a blunder on his part imo now he is exposed as Putin’s bitch and Donnie’s little poodle all for no gain because his vote is un necessary 

...or perhaps he is doing his job as a Senator and trying to account where the money is going? Seriously, no need to resort to ad hom attacks just because you disagree.  Believe it or not, it IS possible to oppose Ukraine war funding and be neither of the things you mentioned.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

...or perhaps he is doing his job as a Senator and trying to account where the money is going? Seriously, no need to resort to ad hom attacks just because you disagree.  Believe it or not, it IS possible to oppose Ukraine war funding and be neither of the things you mentioned.

Rand has form:

 

"So I repeat again - the senator from Kentucky is now working for Vladimir Putin," 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/john-mccain-warning-rand-paul-vladimir-putin-ukraine-vote-1706301

 

And:

 

https://www.salon.com/2022/04/26/rand-paul-goes-to-bat-for-putin-the-countries-theyve-attacked-were-part-of-russia/

 

And:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/us/politics/rand-paul-president-trump-russia.html

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, novacova said:

Good ???? shut down the government until the insanity is reined in.

Shutting down the government is insanity.

 

"Resources could be even more strained for those military families living paycheck to paycheck, Pinchotti said. And while the military may see back pay, there are families that can't afford to miss a paycheck, she said."  https://www.yahoo.com/gma/military-families-brace-loss-paycheck-214100240.html

Edited September 29, 2023 by heybruce

[Tug]

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

...or perhaps he is doing his job as a Senator and trying to account where the money is going? Seriously, no need to resort to ad hom attacks just because you disagree.  Believe it or not, it IS possible to oppose Ukraine war funding and be neither of the things you mentioned.

As an American it is repulsive beyond belief to think of abandoning a nation to Putin’s boot all stop do not pass go Putin must not be appeased he is a criminal thug in charge of a nation and must be stopped all stop do not pass go.Mr Rand apparently doesn’t care the vast majority of us do care he is exposed for what he is an appeaser 

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Since no real accounting, oversight to where that 6 billion is going, it is a bit silly.

 

Too many veterans & homeless need more than they are getting now, before spending USA tax dollars overseas.

you seem misinformed about Ukraine. What are your sources?

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

you seem misinformed about Ukraine. What are your sources?

Various news reports, and simple common sense.  The Pentagon can't even keep track of in house finances,(trillions of $$$ unaccounted for) let alone foreign gifts.  

 

To think otherwise is ignorant. 

 

These are IMHO from my reading.  Feel free to research Ms Google.  You'll find more than you want.

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Various news reports, and simple common sense.  The Pentagon can't even keep track of in house finances,(trillions of $$$ unaccounted for) let alone foreign gifts.  

 

To think otherwise is ignorant. 

 

These are IMHO from my reading.  Feel free to research Ms Google.  You'll find more than you want.

Since you want to cut funding for Ukraine because the Pentagon finances are unclear, do you want to cut other Pentagon funding, too? Or just Ukraine?

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Since you want to cut funding for Ukraine because the Pentagon finances are unclear, do you want to cut other Pentagon funding, too? Or just Ukraine?

Stated more than a few times, I would cut all foreign aid, and bring all military back to US soil & waters.  Stop playing world police force & corporate security.  Billion $$$ can pay for their own security.

 

31+ Trillion $$$ debt, can't pay own bills, and giving sh!t away.

 

Can't fix stupid

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Stated more than a few times, I would cut all foreign aid, and bring all military back to US soil & waters.  Stop playing world police force & corporate security.  Billion $$$ can pay for their own security.

 

31+ Trillion $$$ debt, can't pay own bills, and giving sh!t away.

 

Can't fix stupid

You think the US can just ignore the rest of the world and everything will be fine?

[KhunLA]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

You think the US can just ignore the rest of the world and everything will be fine?

I'll assume that's rhetorical ????

[Tug]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

You think the US can just ignore the rest of the world and everything will be fine?

I guess it would work if the rest of the world played along but as we know all to well they won’t so his idea is a recipe for disaster obviously 

[Emdog]

11 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Stated more than a few times, I would cut all foreign aid, and bring all military back to US soil & waters.  Stop playing world police force & corporate security.  Billion $$$ can pay for their own security.

 

31+ Trillion $$$ debt, can't pay own bills, and giving sh!t away.

 

Can't fix stupid

"Can't fix stupid"

your post offers a fine example of that

[Danderman123]

The last time the US withdrew to its borders, the result was Pearl Harbor.

 

I am sure that Vladimir Putin approves KhunLa's post.

[KhunLA]

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The last time the US withdrew to its borders, the result was Pearl Harbor.

 

I am sure that Vladimir Putin approves KhunLa's post.

Fear mongering of the next WW (3-4-5) that will never happen.  Next one, if ever, will be the last one.

 

MSM programming/brainwashing is working to perfection.  Hard to believe people still fall for it.

 

The rich get richer, and zombies get poorer ????

Edited September 30, 2023 by KhunLA

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Sounds reasonable. Spending more money on Ukraine should be part of a separate bill, not the general government spending one. Let Congress debate openly about whether or not to add $6 billion to the national debt for that conflict. No reason for the US to pay the salaries of first responders and the like in another country.

Agree 100%. I hope Rand doesn't buckle.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Fear mongering of the next WW (3-4-5) that will never happen.  Next one, if ever, will be the last one.

 

MSM programming/brainwashing is working to perfection.  Hard to believe people still fall for it.

 

The rich get richer, and zombies get poorer ????

The zombies/ sheeple have been well and truly brainwashed IMO. The Romans started it with their bread and circuses to quell the mob. These days it's MSM and social media.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The last time the US withdrew to its borders, the result was Pearl Harbor.

 

I am sure that Vladimir Putin approves KhunLa's post.

There was a bit more to it than "the US withdrew to its borders", but perhaps you are unaware of the reasons.

Accusing anyone that disagrees with funding a proxy war with Ukrainians paying the ultimate price as Putin lovers is IMO the usual response of those that have no argument to support the death of other people in a conflict they will never take part in.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

There was a bit more to it than "the US withdrew to its borders", but perhaps you are unaware of the reasons.

Accusing anyone that disagrees with funding a proxy war with Ukrainians paying the ultimate price as Putin lovers is IMO the usual response of those that have no argument to support the death of other people in a conflict they will never take part in.

Proxy war?

 

You mean the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation by Russia?!

 

Ukrainian patriots will fight for their country , Putin shills are happy to argue they should be sent to the front without weapons and ammunition.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Since you want to cut funding for Ukraine because the Pentagon finances are unclear, do you want to cut other Pentagon funding, too? Or just Ukraine?

Did he say he wanted to cut funding for Ukraine- evidence please?

The argument is that Ukraine funding should be separated from normal government spending and voted on separately.

[jvs]

This war is actually a good investment for the USA if you care to

look at it this way.

Around 6% of normal military spending has reduced the Russian army

over 50%.

I know a deal when i see one.

[heybruce]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Did he say he wanted to cut funding for Ukraine- evidence please?

The argument is that Ukraine funding should be separated from normal government spending and voted on separately.

Only a good idea if McCarthy will allow it, which he won't.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

I guess it would work if the rest of the world played along but as we know all to well they won’t so his idea is a recipe for disaster obviously 

Even if the rest of the world played along, isolationism leads to decline.  North Korea is an obvious example, but there are no wealthy nations that are isolationist, unless you count special case minnows like Vatican City or Monaco.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I'll assume that's rhetorical ????

No, it wasn't.