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7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

A pity you don't see the difference between explaining and apologizing.

But what else to expect from someone who sees all criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism.

That just just nonsense , Anti Semitism is regarded as Anti Semitism and Criticism of Israel is accepted .

   Quite a few posters keep making anti Semitic remarks without realising what they are doing , but they are often old, old fashioned guys who just cannot change their ways as they were bought up when anti-Semitism/racism/Homophobia was quite normal

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5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

That just just nonsense , Anti Semitism is regarded as Anti Semitism and Criticism of Israel is accepted .

   Quite a few posters keep making anti Semitic remarks without realising what they are doing , but they are often old, old fashioned guys who just cannot change their ways as they were bought up when anti-Semitism/racism/Homophobia was quite normal

Yes, anti-Semitic remarks are being made. But also genuine criticism of Israel is being put down as anti-Semitism.

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12 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Thanks for your reply; so as an explainer, rather than an apologist, would you be kind enough to explain to me the justification for abducting a disabled girl that needs her family to feed her through a tube in order to live. I will be happy to read your explanation, and hope to learn something from it … thanks again

And again similar tripe from you. 'explain a justification '. I said nor implied anything of the kind.

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2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, anti-Semitic remarks are being made. But also genuine criticism of Israel is being put down as anti-Semitism.

Can you give some examples ?

("Israel are Nazis" is anti sematic and comparing Israel to Nazis isn't criticism of Israel)

Posted
1 hour ago, Morch said:

Hamas seems pretty proud of the attack on Israel. Lot of Gazans celebrating. Same in the West Bank.

Is this the standard from which you draw your morals.

Terrorists?

What is the point you are trying to make, as long as Israel's crimes are not quite as bad as those of Hamas then that's perfectly acceptable?

Are you supporting the notion that two wrongs make a right?

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2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Is this the standard from which you draw your morals.

Terrorists?

What is the point you are trying to make, as long as Israel's crimes are not quite as bad as those of Hamas then that's perfectly acceptable?

Are you supporting the notion that two wrongs make a right?

????

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How responsible is Netanyahu for recent events?

 

"Indeed, Netanyahu himself had effectively admitted as much a couple of months before Distel Atbaryan made her comments, when he declared in a Likud meeting that “anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas."

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/benjamin-netanyahu-israel/#:~:text=Indeed%2C Netanyahu himself had effectively,needs to support strengthening Hamas.

 

"The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from"

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-needed-a-strong-hamas/0000018b-1e9f-d47b-a7fb-bfdfd8f30000

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29 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Is this the standard from which you draw your morals.Terrorists?

What is the point you are trying to make, as long as Israel's crimes are not quite as bad as those of Hamas then that's perfectly acceptable?

Are you supporting the notion that two wrongs make a right?

Hamas, in and of itself, beyond all consideration, is utterly wrong.  <== period.

 

Would you like to discuss anything else?

 

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1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

My post that you replied to was about the abduction by Hamas of a disabled Israeli girl that needs to be tube fed in order to live.

 

You made no comment whatsoever about my post that you were replying to, nor made any condemnation of that heinous act, you simply accused me of not being able to differentiate between explaining and apologising. I offered you the opportunity to explain why Hamas carried out this cruel abduction and you reply with more obfuscation.

 

Your silence about this appallingly cruel act speaks many volumes about your attitude towards Hamas, and unless you can offer any explanation, then you make yourself look very much like an apologist …. thanks

I'll leave you to your twisted opinion.

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A post requiring a subscription to read has been removed also a reply pointing this out

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29 minutes ago, Morch said:

Hamas self-implicating political leadership....

 

Hamas official: Non-military leaders ‘surprised by date, not by actions’ of shock onslaught

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-official-non-military-leaders-surprised-by-date-not-by-actions-of-shock-onslaught/

 

Out goes 'it's-only-the-militants', 'only the military wing'....

A  chilling read ….. from the article, the words of Abu Marzouk, of the Hamas political bureau:

 

Of the hostages, he says, “the innocent people who were imprisoned, we will not keep them,” and adds that “it’s too early to talk about swaps” between captured Israeli soldiers and Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli jails.

 

Well, the IDF have just announced finding the bodies of some of them in a ground raid into Gaza; so talking of prisoner exchanges is rather futile on his part.

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3 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

It appears that any nation, organization, or entity that opposes Israel is often swiftly labeled as terrorist groups. In this forum too, anyone criticizing Israel’s inhumane actions in Gaza is swiftly accused of being Jews hater, anti-Semite and the rest of ready labels.

 

The founding of Israel itself involved various Jewish organizations, including Haganah, Lohamey Heruth Israel (Stern Gang), and Irgun Zvai Leumi, which was led by Menachem Begin, later becoming the Prime Minister of Israel.

 

These organizations were associated with tragic events such as the Deir Yassin and Kufur Qasim massacres. Additionally, they were responsible for the assassination of Folke Bernadotte, a Swedish diplomat who was unanimously appointed as the United Nations Security Council mediator during the 1947-1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. Bernadotte was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the paramilitary Zionist group Lehi while carrying out his official duties.

 

To this day, Israel has continued to employ terrorist measures including extrajudicial assassination, confiscation of land, collective punishment and bombings. Just yesterday, they issued a notice for 1.1 million people in Gaza to relocate within 24 hours or risk facing airstrikes. They might just as well march 1.1 civilians into a new concentration camp complete with gas champers.

A group of Hamas fighters, numbering in the hundreds, managed to humiliate the Israeli army, its intelligence agencies and brought the entire country on its knees. In retaliation, they have been targeting civilians in a pure act of vengeance and to restore their shattered image and to justify getting billions in military aid from USA.

 

While Israel, with the support of the United States and other major powers, may potentially eliminate Hamas, the question remains: will they ever succeed in quashing the aspirations of millions of Palestinians for their own state and ending the ongoing Israeli occupation?

 

The Hamas aspiration is not a Palestinian state. Their aspiration is a Caliphate and to exterminate the Jews and to end Israel.

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5 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Real Americans couldn’t find Israel on a map.

 

If the Utahan was trans, half of American would be cheering on Hamas.

What are you on about?

That trans comment was bizarre.

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25 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

It appears that any nation, organization, or entity that opposes Israel is often swiftly labeled as terrorist groups. In this forum too, anyone criticizing Israel’s inhumane actions in Gaza is swiftly accused of being Jews hater, anti-Semite and the rest of ready labels.

 

The founding of Israel itself involved various Jewish organizations, including Haganah, Lohamey Heruth Israel (Stern Gang), and Irgun Zvai Leumi, which was led by Menachem Begin, later becoming the Prime Minister of Israel.

 

These organizations were associated with tragic events such as the Deir Yassin and Kufur Qasim massacres. Additionally, they were responsible for the assassination of Folke Bernadotte, a Swedish diplomat who was unanimously appointed as the United Nations Security Council mediator during the 1947-1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. Bernadotte was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the paramilitary Zionist group Lehi while carrying out his official duties.

 

To this day, Israel has continued to employ terrorist measures including extrajudicial assassination, confiscation of land, collective punishment and bombings. Just yesterday, they issued a notice for 1.1 million people in Gaza to relocate within 24 hours or risk facing airstrikes. They might just as well march 1.1 civilians into a new concentration camp complete with gas champers.

A group of Hamas fighters, numbering in the hundreds, managed to humiliate the Israeli army, its intelligence agencies and brought the entire country on its knees. In retaliation, they have been targeting civilians in a pure act of vengeance and to restore their shattered image and to justify getting billions in military aid from USA.

 

While Israel, with the support of the United States and other major powers, may potentially eliminate Hamas, the question remains: will they ever succeed in quashing the aspirations of millions of Palestinians for their own state and ending the ongoing Israeli occupation?

 

Everybody makes the Palestinian issue more complex by conflating Gaza with the West Bank.

 

Gaza has no issues with Israeli settlers stealing their land.

 

The big issue for Gaza is Hamas, which focuses on destroying Israel via rocket launches and terror attacks, rather than improving the lives of Gazans. If Hamas were eliminated, the Gazans would live better.

 

However, the West Bank is another issue. How to resolve the West Bank issue?

 

I got nuttin.

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1 hour ago, stevenl said:

I'll leave you to your twisted opinion.

So this is your response to being questioned about the Hamas abduction of a severely disabled child, eh …. extra edifying

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