4 minutes ago, rabas said:

You reason they understand slogans?

Enough to repeat them.

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Sometimes a an octopus is just an octopus.

A 20 years eco girl is also just a 20 years eco girl...she never supported Hamas publicly, and she never expressed something involving antisemitism and/or Judeophobia. 

 

I hope that this green eco girl didn't got in trouble because Hamas wears green bandana's and green cargo pants... it just fits the narrative of many online platforms, but exposes actually true and deep desperation...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653419/greta-thunberg-fury-pro-palestine-post-israel-hamas-terrorism-climate-change.html

54 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

As you say correctly, I did not note that Hamas was not on the list of attendees.   

 

It did not occur to me to say it as I presumed it was obvious that Hamas would not be invited.  They are a proscribed terrorist group in many of the countries who are attending.

 

And as you say, I do want to be critical of countries that chose not to attend.  Talking about peace and and trying to come up with viable long term solutions is needed.   All my life, and before it, there's been a Palestinian conflict.  I want a fair solution, as do most people.  I am from the UK, with no religious beliefs.

 

You talk of 'outing me'.  A bit aggresive sounding, but up to you.

 

But given this chance to express my overall view of the aftermath of the Hamas attrocity, I'd like to make this point:

 

After 2 weeks, we are given by the UN and others figures such as 1,400 Israelis killed on October 7th by Hamas.  4,000 Palestinians killed since 7th, 30% of housing damaged in Gaza, 1m people moved.

 

Is that enough retribution ? Is it time to stop ?  Seems to me thats enough killing for anyone.  A 3 to 1 rate of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths should satisfy even the most upset.

 

Perhaps thats 500 Hamas operatives dead, my guess.   Some will say they want all current Hamas operatives killed.

 

But that's not achievable without much larger palestinian deaths.   For me, enough is enough.  Israel will loose any moral high ground it had and the situation will be worse for Israel, not better.

 

Israel should strengthen its southern border with a larger no-go area and work towards a fair settlement of the Palestinian issue.

 

That's my view - outed for sure now.

 

This forum and reading diverse sources has helped me form this view. Thanks.

 

You talk as if you didn’t know that it is in the founding charter of Hamas, and every manifesto they have published, to eradicate every jew in the world, and not just those in Israel. Given the interest you are showing in this war, you must have know that, but conveniently just ignored it.

 

Once you fully understand that, or admit you know it, you will realise that this war for Israel is not about retribution, despite your cynical question mark after your use of the word, and your other loaded questions. It is about their right to exist and not be wiped from the face of the earth. It is also about trying to rescue 200 odd hostages, or their dead bodies, another thing you failed to mention.

 

It is a sad reflection of how little you seem to understand about this war, that you use a ratio of dead bodies on either side as your reasoning for Israel to stop pursuing the terrorists that invaded their country and slaughtered more than a thousand innocent civilians, including babies, women, children, the old, pregnant women, and the disabled.

 

That notwithstanding, and fully acknowledging the human tragedy of innocent Palestinians being killed, the blood of every one of them is on the hands of their elected government, Hamas.

 

If Israel do not eradicate Hamas, they will, before long, suffer another massacre like the 7th October as Hamas will continue to pursue its dictum to eradicate all jews.

 

Telling that you are only demanding that Israel stop. Maybe try telling Hamas to return all hostages, stop firing rockets indiscriminately at civilians in Israel (something else you forgot to mention) lay down all armaments, surrender themselves unconditionally to stand trial at a war crimes tribunal in the Hague, and Israel will not need to pursue this war any further.    

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why did she put an octopus in the photo ?

Octopus was used the by Nazis to show how Jews control the World , their tentacles reaching all parts of the globe .

   Coincidence ?

The girl next to Greta is holding a text board : "This Jew stands with Palestine".

 

Symbology for an octopus is intelligence, versatility, agility, altruism, awareness, regeneration and infinity.

 

https://oceanjewelrystore.com/octopus-symbolism-meaning-totem-spirit-omens/#:~:text=Octopus symbolism and meaning&text=Popular beliefs and ancient mythology,to pass unnoticed by predators.

 

What's next : we have to feel some guilt when passing the octopus fish market from Ban Phe

14 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

The girl next to Greta is holding a text board : "This Jew stands with Palestine".

 

 

Thanks for pointing that out , I only now just noticed that.........................

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Sometimes a an octopus is just an octopus.

You certainly have an octopus-like grip on this thread - you have made 568 posts so far. 

1 minute ago, Mr Derek said:

You certainly have an octopus-like grip on this thread - you have made 568 posts so far. 

& the ones I've read, all well reasoned within the topic. Unlike your worthless contribution

49 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

The girl next to Greta is holding a text board : "This Jew stands with Palestine".

 

Symbology for an octopus is intelligence, versatility, agility, altruism, awareness, regeneration and infinity.

 

https://oceanjewelrystore.com/octopus-symbolism-meaning-totem-spirit-omens/#:~:text=Octopus symbolism and meaning&text=Popular beliefs and ancient mythology,to pass unnoticed by predators.

 

What's next : we have to feel some guilt when passing the octopus fish market from Ban Phe

So what if she's a Jew? Does her ethnicity make her opinion any more or less true? I think not. It's like some people think Jews are a monolith and all think the same so if some don't it proves something. So stupid.

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Yes, I could but I love my country, Scotland. We have many ethnicities living peacefully there. Israelis and Palestinians could learn a thing or two. Our First Minister has pledged to take Palestinian refugees. Sunak doesn't are about Scotland.

 

I don't know why you highlight/resent/ridicule my Thai nationality/ethnicity all the time, I certainly don't highlight yours, even though it is very relevant to your pro Israel stance. I have no respect for anyone who supports Apartheid, and my Jewish friends certainly don't.

 

Scotland is ready to offer asylum to the people of Gaza who have been displaced in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, the country's first minister Humza Yousaf said on Wednesday. "The people of Gaza are a proud people. Many don't want to leave, and shouldn't have to. But for those displaced, who want to leave, there should be a worldwide refugee scheme. Scotland is willing to be a place of sanctuary and be the first country to take those refugees," he said in a tweet.

 

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/willing-to-be-a-place-of-sanctuary-scotland-first-minister-says-ready-to-welcome-gaza-refugees-402497-2023-10-18

https://youtube.com/shorts/Zu6kgr44FI0?si=9Qc9rfFgNIbGLf6n

 

Just now, BarraMarra said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/Zu6kgr44FI0?si=9Qc9rfFgNIbGLf6n

 

Maybe you should ask your first minister why his own Mother-in-law and other related family members are in the Hands of Hamas. Lije to explain this Neeranam.

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Sometimes a an octopus is just an octopus.

Yeah, but I doubt this is one of those times. 

 

But it's on the girl behind Greta...

First Trucks passing through the border who do you think will get the aid first???. Once the 2 American hostages are back in the US debrief them try and find where they were held in Gaza then send the boys in.

 

55 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

& the ones I've read, all well reasoned within the topic. Unlike your worthless contribution

You also certainly have an octopus-like grip on this thread - you have made 182 posts so far.

 

This is some 5% of all posts which is a lot and for me a proof that you know a lot about this conflict.

8 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Is Hamas going to that peace summit, I don't see them in the list? Israel is at war with Hamas

Ah OK, Israel is at war with only Hamas...

 

Well, there's no Hamas in the West Bank.

 

Why did 75 extra-judicial killings happen in the West Bank by Israeli police, soldiers and/or settlers?

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/19/several-palestinians-killed-by-israeli-forces-in-the-occupied-west-bank

You don't even read what other posters say Thorgal you just see a post and jump on it then to try and make us think you are contributing you throw in a dodgy link.You said the Israelis bombed the hospital and killed over 500 people Wrong, you then said the UK was sending an Aircraft carrier to the gulf wrong again, you cannot contribute because you do not provide facts and you have been caught out numerous times. 

8 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

You also certainly have an octopus-like grip on this thread - you have made 182 posts so far.

 

This is some 5% of all posts which is a lot and for me a proof that you know a lot about this conflict.

No food today 🍽

5 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Ah OK, Israel is at war with only Hamas...

 

Well, there's no Hamas in the West Bank.

 

Why did 75 extra-judicial killings happen in the West Bank by Israeli police, soldiers and/or settlers?

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/19/several-palestinians-killed-by-israeli-forces-in-the-occupied-west-bank

What part do you not understand Thorgal Israel is NOT going into the west bank where did you think this one up? Has it not sunk in yet that Israel is going after Hamas not Gaza Citezens for gods sake stop posting this nonsense.

While it is headquartered in Gaza City, it also has a presence in the West Bank (the larger of the two Palestinian territories), in which its secular rival Fatah exercises control. Hamas is widely considered to be the "dominant political force" within the Palestinian territories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

 

Gaza's ruling Hamas Islamists are building ties with militant groups in the West Bank, seeking to attract support beyond the enclave by backing Palestinians involved in near daily unrest that Israel's new hardline government has vowed to crush.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-sees-west-bank-battleground-with-new-israel-govt-2023-01-18/

 

Palestinians in the West Bank generally approve of Hamas' attack. But they fear reprisals and escalation between the two sides.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/10/17/support-for-hamas-persists-in-the-west-bank-amid-resentment-and-fear_6181015_4.html

Yes Brian that's what the leader of Hamas has asked its ok for him to sit in his Penthouse in qater demndind this and that he wouldn't be saying that if he was on the ground with his men in Gaza.

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

What part do you not understand Thorgal Israel is NOT going into the west bank where did you think this one up? Has it not sunk in yet that Israel is going after Hamas not Gaza Citezens for gods sake stop posting this nonsense.

Where was the Tsahal (IDF) southern Army battalions re-located BEFORE 7th of October, the day of the attack?

Yes, indeed, the West-Bank. So this fact is on topic and it took +/- 5 hours to the IDF (outside Southern region) to respond to the Hamas attacks around the Gaza strip.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujBFPKMQSlg

 

 

11 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

What part do you not understand Thorgal Israel is NOT going into the west bank where did you think this one up? Has it not sunk in yet that Israel is going after Hamas not Gaza Citezens for gods sake stop posting this nonsense.

Stop feeding this troll with responses

Yes Eloquent times come to stop responding to him and I suggest everyone else does.

I fully agree Scottie but some members get a kick winding up members knowing they can sit behind their keyboards taking the P  ss out of us and thread wrecking.

4 hours ago, deejai33 said:

As you say correctly, I did not note that Hamas was not on the list of attendees.   

 

It did not occur to me to say it as I presumed it was obvious that Hamas would not be invited.  They are a proscribed terrorist group in many of the countries who are attending.

 

And as you say, I do want to be critical of countries that chose not to attend.  Talking about peace and and trying to come up with viable long term solutions is needed.   All my life, and before it, there's been a Palestinian conflict.  I want a fair solution, as do most people.  I am from the UK, with no religious beliefs.

 

You talk of 'outing me'.  A bit aggresive sounding, but up to you.

 

But given this chance to express my overall view of the aftermath of the Hamas attrocity, I'd like to make this point:

 

After 2 weeks, we are given by the UN and others figures such as 1,400 Israelis killed on October 7th by Hamas.  4,000 Palestinians killed since 7th, 30% of housing damaged in Gaza, 1m people moved.

 

Is that enough retribution ? Is it time to stop ?  Seems to me thats enough killing for anyone.  A 3 to 1 rate of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths should satisfy even the most upset.

 

Perhaps thats 500 Hamas operatives dead, my guess.   Some will say they want all current Hamas operatives killed.

 

But that's not achievable without much larger palestinian deaths.   For me, enough is enough.  Israel will loose any moral high ground it had and the situation will be worse for Israel, not better.

 

Israel should strengthen its southern border with a larger no-go area and work towards a fair settlement of the Palestinian issue.

 

That's my view - outed for sure now.

 

This forum and reading diverse sources has helped me form this view. Thanks.

 

Did you also note that Iran was not on the list? They are Hamas's puppet masters and key decision makers as to how this plays out. The meeting is taking place now in Cairo with them trying to set out a road map with no key decision makers there.

4 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Sometimes a an octopus is just an octopus.

Octopuses were used by the Nazis to denigrate Jews which led to Nazis killing Jews en masse.

   Palestinians recently also killed Jews en mass and then their supporters also "Coincidently " used an octopus in their placards showing support for Palestinians mass murder of Jews

   I doubt that this is just an octopus in this instance , Greta is showing her support of the continuation of Nazi ideals , hid behind the Palestinian cause 

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Yes Eloquent times come to stop responding to him and I suggest everyone else does.

He was already outed so as a matter of course everything he says will be smeared with the lies embedded in his personal philososphy

36 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Did you also note that Iran was not on the list? They are Hamas's puppet masters and key decision makers as to how this plays out. The meeting is taking place now in Cairo with them trying to set out a road map with no key decision makers there.

Of course he didn’t ….. he was only looking for those that he wanted to criticise that were missing from the list

Sunak saying what should be said, supporting who should be supported unlike the Scottish minister <deleted>.

 

 

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1715007906343489640

 

5 hours ago, Morch said:

Your are from the UK? Alright. Try and think how the UK would react to a terrorist attack killing 10,000 people in single day. That's more or less the ratio. Factor in a long standing conflict, the barbarity of the murders and so on.

 

There is a revenge element, sure, but the rational argument is that the notion Hamas can be contained, reasoned with and so on is out the window.

Ridiculous equation. By using this comparison 9/11 was a walk in the park.

3 hours ago, Mr Derek said:

You certainly have an octopus-like grip on this thread - you have made 568 posts so far. 

If you actually read the topic, you'd know you're supposed to count them one by one.

Going for the total in one go feels like cheating.