ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[MrMojoRisin]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Now we are talking about Palestinian attacks on unarmed civilians .

   If and when Israel attacks unarmed civilians then we can talk about that in a separate thread 

If and when…..

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[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

You said "This is a thread is about a war which was caused by Palestinians' attacking unarmed civilians . ".

We're talking about a war, the cause of which can be debated . 

The cause of this war was Hamas invading Israel and attacking civilians (and soldiers) 

[brianthainess]

21 hours ago, transam said:

And more brains.................

Well said. 

[MrMojoRisin]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You said "This is a thread is about a war which was caused by Palestinians' attacking unarmed civilians . ".

We're talking about a war, the cause of which can be debated . 

Sorry, only Palestinian crimes and misdemeanours are allowed to be raised and debated.

Israel is purer than the driven snow and anyone who states otherwise is an antisemite.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Sorry, only Palestinian crimes and misdemeanours are allowed to be raised and debated.

Israel is purer than the driven snow and anyone who states otherwise is an antisemite.

More deflections.

No one debating here seriously said that.

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The cause of this war was Hamas invading Israel and attacking civilians (and soldiers) 

No. That's what started it, not what caused it. Just like WW2 wasn't caused by the German invasion of Poland. It did start it though.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Sorry, only Palestinian crimes and misdemeanours are allowed to be raised and debated.

Israel is purer than the driven snow and anyone who states otherwise is an antisemite.

This is a thread about a current war which is on going .

You can discuss Israel's right to exist in other threads 

[Morch]

Just now, stevenl said:

No. That's what started it, not what caused it. Just like WW2 wasn't caused by the German invasion if Poland. It did start it though.

 

I get your point, but the dynamic of these topics is that digging up respective narratives and ongoing complaints of both sides is often used as means to avoid the issue at hand. So getting into all the supposed historical accounts, semi related side issues and what not is great - but ultimately leaves these topics a mess, and undermines chances for discussion.

[Ben Zioner]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

This nonsense   doesn't take into account that the Gaza strip is nothing but a festering, malignant tumor inside a  beautiful, young, growing and otherwise peaceful country country. If  you have a cancer inside your body you hit it ruthlessly.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

No. That's what started it, not what caused it. Just like WW2 wasn't caused by the German invasion of Poland. It did start it though.

It would be appreciated if you anti Israelis would stop going on about Nazi Germany .

   Do you do it deliberately ?

Rather suspicions that anti Israelis keep mentioning Hitler and Nazis all the time 

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Ben Zioner said:

This nonsense   doesn't take into account that the Gaza strip is nothing but a festering, malignant tumor inside a  beautiful, young, growing and otherwise peaceful country country. If  you have a cancer inside your body you hit it ruthlessly.

Peaceful how?

Inside Israel how?

[BarraMarra]

No need to argue both committing war crimes Hamas launching rockets at civvies into Israel Israel launches air strikes on civvie buildings in Gaza. Kidnapping civvies from Israel and taking them over the border to be used as human shields nice 1 Hamas.

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

It would be appreciated if you anti Israelis would stop going on about Nazi Germany .

   Do you do it deliberately ?

Rather suspicions that anti Israelis keep mentioning Hitler and Nazis all the time 

I am not anti Israeli, contrary to most on here I have even visited the country twice.

My comparison was not with Nazi Germany but about the cause of a war. I didn't even mention Germany or Nazis. You're attempting to make it about something it is not, which tends to happen here. Morch understood.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, BarraMarra said:

No need to argue both committing war crimes Hamas launching rockets at civvies into Israel Israel launches air strikes on civvie buildings in Gaza. Kidnapping civvies from Israel and taking them over the border to be used as human shields nice 1 Hamas.

No, Israel launched rockets to hit the source of where rockets from Gaza were fired from .

   If Hamas fires rockets from Schools, Hospitals or apartments , then Israel can attack those buildings .

   Its not a war crime to fire back at the source of missiles , although it would be a war crime to use hostages as human shields 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I am not anti Israeli, contrary to most on here I have even visited the country twice.

My comparison was not with Nazi Germany but about the cause of a war. I didn't even mention Germany or Nazis. You're attempting to make it about something it is not, which tends to happen here. Morch understood.

The German invasion of Poland (which you mentioned) was indeed about Nazi Germany .

   Couldn't you think of any other war to use as an example ?

[RichardColeman]

You just know that Thailand is thinking 'How will this effect our tourism' ? 

[Nick Carter icp]

28 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Sorry, only Palestinian crimes and misdemeanours are allowed to be raised and debated.

Israel is purer than the driven snow and anyone who states otherwise is an antisemite.

We are discussing the current situation , rather than constant "whataboutery" , you seem to not want to discuss current Palestinian atrocities and just point your finger at Israel all the time .

   Anyone who is critical of Israel isn't labelled as being an "anti-Semite" , personally, i just questioned why some people have such a fixation with Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, and officially, comparing Israel to Nazis is officially an  anti Semitic opinion .

  Would be better to drop the Hitler/ Nazi comparisons  and also the anti Semite accusations and just discuss the current situation 

[FruitPudding]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

After all, Israelis voted those governments into power so they must share the responsibility. If they get a bloody nose from time to time it's only to be expected, given the way they treat Palestinians.

You think Islamic extremists only dish out bloody noses when it's deserved??

 

They'll also cut your head off if you are not Muslim. 

 

Sure, Israel probably deserves what it gets, but Islamic extremists are the inherent enemy of western civilization and a danger to our innocent people (not Israel).

 

[RanongCat]

Israel has answered some fire from Lebanon with artillery. Hezbolla seems to have offered some token of support to Hamas ? 

[herfiehandbag]

7 hours ago, mania said:

This has Netanyahu Black Flag written all over it

 

Israel has had Iron Dome since 2011 never more than a random rocket falling short of populated areas...Now this?

 

Something is as usual in Israel

Iron Dome is very effective. However with several thousand rockets being fired over a few hours it was quite simply swamped.

 

Even if it destroys a rocket ( and it seems to have destroyed a large percentage) the debris falling to earth from the arial explosions will inevitably cause a lot of damage.

 

To blame this on a " black flag operation" shows a quite remarkable level of stupidity!

[RanongCat]

3 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Iron Dome is very effective. However with several thousand rockets being fired over a few hours it was quite simply swamped.

 

Even if it destroys a rocket ( and it seems to have destroyed a large percentage) the debris falling to earth from the arial explosions will inevitably cause a lot of damage.

 

To blame this on a " blac flag operation" shows a quite remarkable level of stupidity!

So said with a vicious swing of handbag forgetting "IMO"  and forum rules on accusational  personal attack?

 

[MrMojoRisin]

5 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

You think Islamic extremists only dish out bloody noses when it's deserved??

 

They'll also cut your head off if you are not Muslim. 

 

Sure, Israel probably deserves what it gets, but Islamic extremists are the inherent enemy of western civilization and a danger to our innocent people (not Israel).

 

You think extremists only dish out bloody noses when it's deserved??

 

They'll also cut your head off if you are not  a true believer.

 

Sure, Israel probably deserves what it gets, but extremists are the inherent enemy of western civilization and a danger to all innocent people.

[RanongCat]

Have searched but not yet found any indication of the situation for the illegal settler enclaves on the wrong side of the  fence. ????

[FruitPudding]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

You think extremists only dish out bloody noses when it's deserved??

 

They'll also cut your head off if you are not  a true believer.

 

Sure, Israel probably deserves what it gets, but extremists are the inherent enemy of western civilization and a danger to all innocent people.

I feel like this is plagiarism.

[RanongCat]

44 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

You just know that Thailand is thinking 'How will this effect our tourism' ? 

More than ! It has been reported that a number of Thai  have been taken as hostages so it is more than as simplistic as that.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Have searched but not yet found any indication of the situation for the illegal settler enclaves on the wrong side of the  fence. ????

How many of those would be in Gaza?

[RanongCat]

Just now, stevenl said:

How many of those would be in Gaza?

Concern is limited by  number?  Not Gaza. Agricultural workers  on the Israeli side  more likely.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No it's not complicated at all. If I was living under occupation and collective punishment in my own country I'd want to strike back at the oppressors.

In France, the resistance were heroes, but strangely it seems that it's different if the Resistance are Palestinian.

1) Gaza is not under occupation. It has it's own government, one which uses the same savagery to keep its own people in line.

 

2) The border with Israel is sealed ( albeit Israel supplied Gaza with fresh water and electricity - or did until they apparently blew up the power station). The savage slaughter perpetrated on Israeli civilians explains why it is sealed. Why of course the border with Egypt is also sealed is a question that needs to be addressed to the Egyptians. The resources accumulated and dedicated to these thousands of rockets would go a long way towards improving the lot of the inhabitants of Gaza.

 

The French Resistance did not go into Germany, slaughter young civilians, film it to demonstrate their bravery and prowess, and , for example, ride around using the stripped body of a young woman as a seat.

 

 

[Morch]

47 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

You just know that Thailand is thinking 'How will this effect our tourism' ? 

 

It is a well known fact that NOTHING effects tourist arrivals, spending and such. Been declared many times.

 

In the Real world, two Thai citizens were killed, others wounded and several taken captive to Gaza.

There was talk from the Thai PM about evacuating Thai citizens from Israel, so far didn't happen.

[Morch]

14 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Israel has answered some fire from Lebanon with artillery. Hezbolla seems to have offered some token of support to Hamas ? 

Token so far. Hopefully it will remain thus.

Lebanon is already in tatters, economically and politically - so jumping in might not be the best decision. Then again, it's a great way to take people minds off domestic issues.