ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Thorgal]

9 minutes ago, ezzra said:

 

The Hamas terrorist billionaires who live in marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels as they decry Gaza poverty after profiting from misery and terror:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12706715/Hamas-terrorist-billionaires-live-marble-floored-mansions.html

 

 

Are marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels on topic ?

[Morch]

43 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

I've mentioned in my first post that you need to subscribe to Haaretz..

 

My 683 figure is from 23/10/2023. and this list was available without subscription.

Today the figure is 1.149 victims.

 

This is not 1.400 victims as per figures given by Israeli media since the beginning of the conflict.

 

That you mention it doesn't mean it's an acceptable source.

There are other lists, other websites, some more updated than others.

All do not contain a full list of names for reasons cited above and elsewhere.

 

But you knew all that already.

[Thorgal]

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You provided no direct link troll..............and Hamas military wing are terrorists not gov

 

There's a logo from Hamas on each video footage like there's a logo of IDF on each of your IDF Twitter footages.

 

Double standards again ? Yep.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Are marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels on topic ?

Your buddies

 

[ezzra]

2 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Are marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels on topic ?

Only to illustrate the cynical and cruel use the terrorists are make their own people as a cannon fodder and human shields...

[Thorgal]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Your buddies

 

 

Why my buddies? 

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

Why my buddies? 

 

 

 

 

Who you prefer top call freedom fighters and not terrorists. Fitting that you do that along with your Russian preferences to media

[Thorgal]

1 minute ago, ezzra said:

Only to illustrate the cynical and cruel use the terrorists are make their own people as a cannon fodder and human shields...

 

Ah Ok, I get it. You cut off the water, gas electricity from the civilians in Gaza and you will show the marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels in Qatar for the Hamas leadership to distort public opinion against Hamas leadership...as war propaganda?

[ezzra]

5 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Ah Ok, I get it. You cut off the water, gas electricity from the civilians in Gaza and you will show the marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels in Qatar for the Hamas leadership to distort public opinion against Hamas leadership...as war propaganda?

What ? are you too blind to see or too dumb to see what is going on here? where are the so called 'freedom fighters' live and play the life of luxury and where are the poor Palestinians that are suffering the brunt of the stupid 7th October attack on Israel? what were they thinking? that Israel will not retaliate just because the Hamas has hostages? well, they were surly wrong...

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Ah Ok, I get it. You cut off the water, gas electricity from the civilians in Gaza and you will show the marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels in Qatar for the Hamas leadership to distort public opinion against Hamas leadership...as war propaganda?

 

The same Hamas leadership abroad that opined civilian deaths serve the 'cause', and that they are required 'sacrifices'.

The same Hamas leadership in Gaza denying civilians the safety of their tunnels.

[Neeranam]

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Why my buddies? 

 

 

 

 

Some here are so brainwashed, blinkered, and d*#@, they think if you criticize Israel, you are a terrorist. 

It's childish and pathetic that they resort to insults as they have no morals. 

[Thorgal]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Who you prefer top call freedom fighters and not terrorists. Fitting that you do that along with your Russian preferences to media

 

In case of self defense as per international law they become from non combatant to freedom fighters.

This was my warning that this conflict will be extended.

Don't try to distort my words that combatant extra judicial fighters from 7th of October became freedom fighters too.

 

Russian preferences to media is that I like to double check with their channels RT, Sputnik, Tass, etc...for topics related to ME, UKR/RUS, SYR,...

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

In case of self defense as per international law they become from non combatant to freedom fighters.

This was my warning that this conflict will be extended.

Don't try to distort my words that combatant extra judicial fighters from 7th of October became freedom fighters too.

 

Russian preferences to media is that I like to double check with their channels RT, Sputnik, Tass, etc...for topics related to ME, UKR/RUS, SYR,...

Please link to where these terrorists have suddenly become freedom fighters via international law.

 

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

In case of self defense as per international law they become from non combatant to freedom fighters.

This was my warning that this conflict will be extended.

Don't try to distort my words that combatant extra judicial fighters from 7th of October became freedom fighters too.

 

Russian preferences to media is that I like to double check with their channels RT, Sputnik, Tass, etc...for topics related to ME, UKR/RUS, SYR,...

 

All of the Russian sources you listed are not acceptable on this forum. Move on.

[Thorgal]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

The same Hamas leadership abroad that opined civilian deaths serve the 'cause', and that they are required 'sacrifices'.

The same Hamas leadership in Gaza denying civilians the safety of their tunnels.

 

I'm not a Hamas supporter. You don't need to try to brainwash me.

 

I've no affinity with Hamas leadership.

Again, my position is neutral and unbiased.

 

Israel government created this Hamas Golem in 1987. they have to fix it.

I feel for the neutral Israeli and Palestinian civilians that want fast peace and want to live fast together.

 

My position (and other posters) has been distorted ad nauseam since the beginning of this topic.

 

[Thorgal]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Please link to where these terrorists have suddenly become freedom fighters via international law.

 

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

 

My quote :

 

"Don't try to distort my words that combatant extra judicial fighters from 7th of October became freedom fighters too."

 

Why do I have to give a link of something I didn't say or why should I give a link of what you distorted...?

 

Case closed : You've tried this already. Didn't work.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

 

My quote :

 

"Don't try to distort my words that combatant extra judicial fighters from 7th of October became freedom fighters too."

 

Why do I have to give a link of something I didn't say or why should I give a link of what you distorted...?

 

Case closed : You've tried this already. Didn't work.

lol, more deflection from the Hamas apologist who prefers to call them freedom fighters

[Thorgal]

7 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

All of the Russian sources you listed are not acceptable on this forum. Move on.

 

I think this choice is at the discretion of the moderators of AN and I don't know where it's written or communicated that these Russian media outlets are forbidden.

 

Some AN members are from Russia and living in Thailand. This is not really inviting for this community.

 

If it's not accepted by forum rule : no problem for me to abide these forum rules.

 

Note : I still have the TV framework in mind, that's why we might differ from using external resources

[Yagoda]

11 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

I'm not a Hamas supporter. You don't need to try to brainwash me.

 

I've no affinity with Hamas leadership.

Again, my position is neutral and unbiased.

 

Israel government created this Hamas Golem in 1987. they have to fix it.

I feel for the neutral Israeli and Palestinian civilians that want fast peace and want to live fast together.

 

My position (and other posters) has been distorted ad nauseam since the beginning of this topic.

 

Distorted? I thought y'all were all proud anti semites?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

I think this choice is at the discretion of the moderators of AN and I don't know where it's written or communicated that these Russian media outlets are forbidden.

 

Some AN members are from Russia and living in Thailand. This is not really inviting for this community.

 

If it's not accepted by forum rule : no problem for me to abide these forum rules.

 

Note : I still have the TV framework in mind, that's why we might differ from using external resources

I think this choice is at the discretion of the moderators of AN and I don't know where it's written or communicated that these Russian media outlets are forbidden.

 

No its in the forum rules. Credible links only. RT, Sputnik, Tass are not credible and known for promoting conspiracy theories, false information and are a questionable source.

[Wobblybob]

Hamas wants the civilians of Gaza to die, in that way they can blame Israel and gain sympathy from the gullible.

 

 

[Thorgal]

Just now, Yagoda said:

Distorted? I thought y'all were all proud anti semites?

 

Scroll back to page nr 1 and you will see that these "antisemite" denominations have been created to frame people like me and others

 

Criticizing Israeli government = you become anti semite

Criticizing Zionist ideology = you become anti semite

Criticizing Apartheid ideology = you become anti semite

Criticizing war crimes = you become anti semite

Criticizing crimes against humanity = you become anti semite

 

Personal attacks are common and daily practice on this topic if you criticize one of the above.

 

There are 3 levels :

 

1. Level:

You will be replied : liar, idiot, stupid, waffle, etc

 

 

2. Level:

You will be replied : Hamas lover, anti semite, you want the destruction of Israel, etc

 

 

3. Level:

You will be replied : holocaust denier, nazi, you like Hitler, etc.

 

Note : this structure is also used on other public platforms, so it's not something new or unique on AN

[Thorgal]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I think this choice is at the discretion of the moderators of AN and I don't know where it's written or communicated that these Russian media outlets are forbidden.

 

No its in the forum rules. Credible links only. RT, Sputnik, Tass are not credible and known for promoting conspiracy theories, false information and are a questionable source.

 

Let the moderators reply. They have the authority.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

Let the moderators reply. They have the authority.

This is a public forum and you have posted, I am replying:

 

TASS

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news. 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/russian-news-agency-tass/

 

Sputnik 

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sputnik-news/

 

RT News

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rt-news/

 

[MrMojoRisin]

54 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

 I think Hamas should have let them inside their tunnels.

But Hamas are evil terrorists.

 

Why don’t you think the civilised Israeli’s should not have indiscriminately bombed them?

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Scroll back to page nr 1 and you will see that these "antisemite" denominations have been created to frame people like me and others

 

Criticizing Israeli government = you become anti semite

Criticizing Zionist ideology = you become anti semite

Criticizing Apartheid ideology = you become anti semite

Criticizing war crimes = you become anti semite

Criticizing crimes against humanity = you become anti semite

 

Personal attacks are common and daily practice on this topic if you criticize one of the above.

 

There are 3 levels :

 

1. Level:

You will be replied : liar, idiot, stupid, waffle, etc

 

 

2. Level:

You will be replied : Hamas lover, anti semite, you want the destruction of Israel, etc

 

 

3. Level:

You will be replied : holocaust denier, nazi, you like Hitler, etc.

 

Note : this structure is also used on other public platforms, so it's not something new or unique on AN

I noticed you havent denied it. As to the rest of your analysis, if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck......

 

The best part is while y'all preen and goosestep, we (meaning the decent, civilized West) are slowly but surely wiping the terrs out. Boom.

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck......

I think this applies to everyone, not only the side you don't like. 

[Yagoda]

Just now, sirineou said:

I think this applies to everyone, not only the side you don't like. 

 

Yeah but my side is right. And we have the bombs. So surrender or die. That solves the problem.

[Yellowtail]

9 hours ago, Morch said:

Before some of you get all indignant, get on top of soap boxes, get into righteous rant mode and so on...

 

Yes, and?

 

That, indeed, what I have to say on the clip shown above. Not because I don't feel sorry for the guy in the wheelchair. Not because i think the soldiers didn't do wrong. Of course it's not right. Duh.

 

But what was the point? To show that the IDF is not pure as snow? To demonstrate that the occupation in the West Bank can be brutal and is wrong? I've no issues with that. Said as much on more than one post. I think people thinking otherwise are clueless, or hopeless zealots.

 

So what was the point, then? Does this scene imply Israel is totally in the wrong on everything? Does it justify the 7/10 Hamas attack? Does it make all the Palestinians into angels? The answers are no, no, and no.

 

So what we're left with is a poor attempt to deflect. To make a not so subtle Israel-bad-therefore argument. Not particularly impressed, and certainly not convinced.

 

News flash: Armies all over the world sometimes behave badly. Armies maintaining control over civilian populations maybe more so.

 

So back to the original:

 

Yes, and? What exactly are we expected to do with this information? To fold? To declare the utter rout of views? Just to remind - none of the so-called 'pro-Palestinian' crowd on here batted an eyelid, changed his point of view or anything close to that - not even after the 7/10 attack, which spin as you may was a tad worse than a guy in a wheelchair getting kicked.

 

Have at it, ladies.

 

 

And the clip starts with the wheelchair being tipped on its back, nothing of what lead up to it. 

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Defending the undefendable, this is not the first time I've seen video's with the same total disregard for any rules of engagement, we are the Israeli IDF and if you're not Jewish we can do whatever we like to you.

Yes, blah blah blah what Hamas did on the 7th was one thing, but how can anyone of sound mind think this type of conduct by your armed forces is going to help your cause.

Over the last few days any sympathy I had for Israel has gone out the window.

If you're solders, on foot, attempting to find tunnels full of terrorists, what should you do when someone is continuously interferes and is trying to stop you from doing what you are there to do?

 

And at the same time, the interference is endangering you and everyone else.