ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[RanongCat]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

He may.

But he may also be biased toward a political rival.

They been to court not long ago - was kinda funny.

I am thinking  you have a semi literate stand in who does you little credit. Bro .

[coolcarer]

2 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Did they been ? Kinda funny how?

He knows lots of rabbits

[RanongCat]

The stand in  steps up ?

[metisdead]

Some offensive troll posts and replies contravening our Community Standards have been removed. Anymore posts of that nature will simply disappear. 

[RanongCat]

Why so much effeort to lead me off topic ? Fear of truths?

As the progression of  retaliatory military  destruction of Gaza  civilian infrastructure and  civilians continues  so  does  international sympathy for the Israeli  position  which despite  denials  is demonstrating long held objectives in the demands of some with respect  to Gaza and the more desirable  territories of the West Bank et6 al.

Unfettered access to the Port of Gaza is a desirable with elimination of territorial issues.

Elimination of  "illegal occupation" status in the West Bank  achieved  in contrivance of  current  military action a further ambition.

[Nick Carter icp]

11 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Israeli's will be going to hell if there is one, 

 

  You are not the one to decide that . 

You don't decide about who goes where , up or down, that is someone else's job and not yours 

[Morch]

Back in 2018, Hamas orchestrated  (well, hijacked) mass protests along Gaza Strip's border with Israel. One of the most controversial tactics used by the IDF at the time was sniper fire against main instigators for violence in the crowd, those suspected of carrying arms, and those coming too near to the border fence (no full wall back then). The result was, of course, many more Palestinians dead and wounded.

 

Israel's reasoning for choosing this tactic was that non-lethal means available were not effective for 'events' of this scope, and that the main concern was that a group of protestors allowed to rush the fence could result in a stampede possibly resulting in penetration and chaos. This was seen as both a major risk of the settlements located really near the border (one of the protestors' chants of choice was 'we'll meet at Netiv HaAsara' - a village just on the border), and as potentially leading to more Palestinian deaths as well (if troops had to use live fire at closer range).

 

So anyway, back then there was a lot of criticism about this tactic - both abroad and within Israel. On this forum as well. Post the 7/10 attack, maybe the decision taken back then wasn't a wrong one.

[RanongCat]

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You are not the one to decide that . 

You don't decide about who goes where , up or down, that is someone else's job and not yours 

Nor  you! 

[RanongCat]

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

Back in 2018, Hamas orchestrated  (well, hijacked) mass protests along Gaza Strip's border with Israel. One of the most controversial tactics used by the IDF at the time was sniper fire against main instigators for violence in the crowd, those suspected of carrying arms, and those coming too near to the border fence (no full wall back then). The result was, of course, many more Palestinians dead and wounded.

 

Israel's reasoning for choosing this tactic was that non-lethal means available were not effective for 'events' of this scope, and that the main concern was that a group of protestors allowed to rush the fence could result in a stampede possibly resulting in penetration and chaos. This was seen as both a major risk of the settlements located really near the border (one of the protestors' chants of choice was 'we'll meet at Netiv HaAsara' - a village just on the border), and as potentially leading to more Palestinian deaths as well (if troops had to use live fire at closer range).

 

So anyway, back then there was a lot of criticism about this tactic - both abroad and within Israel. On this forum as well. Post the 7/10 attack, maybe the decision taken back then wasn't a wrong one.

Or  was it a primary instigation of counter tactics eventually  manifested ?

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Or  was it a primary instigation of counter tactics eventually  manifested ?

 

No.

[RanongCat]

12 minutes ago, Morch said:

Back in 2018, Hamas orchestrated  (well, hijacked) mass protests along Gaza Strip's border with Israel. One of the most controversial tactics used by the IDF at the time was sniper fire against main instigators for violence in the crowd, those suspected of carrying arms, and those coming too near to the border fence (no full wall back then). The result was, of course, many more Palestinians dead and wounded.

 

Israel's reasoning for choosing this tactic was that non-lethal means available were not effective for 'events' of this scope, and that the main concern was that a group of protestors allowed to rush the fence could result in a stampede possibly resulting in penetration and chaos. This was seen as both a major risk of the settlements located really near the border (one of the protestors' chants of choice was 'we'll meet at Netiv HaAsara' - a village just on the border), and as potentially leading to more Palestinian deaths as well (if troops had to use live fire at closer range).

 

So anyway, back then there was a lot of criticism about this tactic - both abroad and within Israel. On this forum as well. Post the 7/10 attack, maybe the decision taken back then wasn't a wrong one.

What you  fail to identify  in your discourse is that the  sniper fire was  often fatally  directed  to targets such as teens throwing  rocks  at  IDF  people in full  kevlar  body armour or even simply at a wall. Target practice for late teen aged  involuntary inductees of the IDF. Paint any picture  you want. If it is honest it will demonstrate  gross  abuses more  often or  not  on territory  legally not Israeli.

[RanongCat]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

No.

You say.  Qualified?

 

[Chris Daley]

My religion is more peaceful than yours.  You take that back my religion is more peaceful!  Lets have a war and find out.  What a bunch of tards.

[Morch]

'US will be thing of past': Hamas official praises North Korea's ability to strike

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/us-will-be-thing-of-past-hamas-official-praises-north-koreas-ability-to-strike/ar-AA1jmSNP

 

Hamas official says North Korea is ally, insinuates it could one day target the US

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-official-says-north-korea-is-ally-insinuates-it-could-one-day-target-the-us/

 

Doubt North Korea will risk anything much for the sake of Hamas, or the Palestinians. It even denied sale/transfer of arms to Hamas for the attack.

 

On a bit of an off topic note - both North and South Korea must be looking at their border and each going 'hmmm...", for different reasons.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

I believe the Thread should now be locked it is not a debate any longer it was Hijacked many pages ago and no longer debate instead MOJO is now calling posters Dumb and its turned out to a slanging match lately we have seen the thread locked a member was banned others warned for sending links not allowed on several occasions but they carried on using them. When someone tried to get the thread back on Topic it was ignored all they wanted to post was how many kids were being pulled from the rubble constantly. So for me the Topic is finished. Maybe a new Tpoic can be made debating the Ground offence that has begun now the IDF is on the ground in Gaza as for this thread in my opinion its over.

 

   It seems to some posters making extreme comments / allegations and they just get more and more extreme .

   Some posters resemble Adolf Hitler reading a paragraph from Mein Kempf at a Berlin rally in 1933

There's so much extreme claims that its just become ridiculous and seems pointless trying to engage in discussion or even reading the posts .

   The Jew haters dominate because they shout the loudest and most often 

[BarraMarra]

Well at least im staying on topic.https://www.itv.com/news/2023-11-08/itv-news-goes-inside-gaza-for-first-time-to-see-the-devastation-of-the-conflict

 

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, RanongCat said:

Nor  you! 

Well the IDF decides haha.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, RanongCat said:

Or  was it a primary instigation of counter tactics eventually  manifested ?

I don't understand a lot of your posts.

[norfolkandchance]

1 hour ago, RanongCat said:

What you  fail to identify  in your discourse is that the  sniper fire was  often fatally  directed  to targets such as teens throwing  rocks  at  IDF  people in full  kevlar  body armour or even simply at a wall. Target practice for late teen aged  involuntary inductees of the IDF. Paint any picture  you want. If it is honest it will demonstrate  gross  abuses more  often or  not  on territory  legally not Israeli.

Don't throw rocks then.

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Former Israeli PM confirming what all rational people already knew - Israel has had no interest in a peaceful resolution for the past 15 years.

 

Netanyahu spent 15 years propping up Hamas to “thwart” a Palestinian state.

 

Imagine if they had genuinely wanted peace and not wasted 15 years - there’d certainly have never been an October 7th.

 

“If Israel produced a serious proposal for two-state negotiations it would have a dramatic impact on the international community. It would give us more space and time to achieve the aims of our military operations — it would have an impact on public opinion in Western countries and in the media. It would show Israel is committed to doing something it hasn’t wanted to in the past 15 years. So, something positive could come out of all of this. But we’re not doing it, and no one wants to think about it. No one wants to spell it out. No one wants to say it.”

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-gaza-war-benjamin-netanyahu-miscalculating-over-gaza-former-israeli-pm-ehud-olmert-says/

There is no question that Netanyahu has been a barrier to peace. Fortunately,  it is likely he will not be in power too much longer, even if Hamas is crushed.

[norfolkandchance]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I don't understand a lot of your posts.

Agree.

[Danderman123]

9 hours ago, Neeranam said:

What is unreliable about AJ?

 

It's as reliable as say an American news channel, as the US support genocide at the moment. 

Link, please.

 

Genocide is the elimination of an ethnic group (or an attempt to do so). Who is being eliminated? The Gazans who have been allowed to go into southern Gaza via safe corridors established by Israel?

[Danderman123]

10 hours ago, RanongCat said:

So you would approve a dismissed Israeli MP's suggestion to use nuclear weapons to accelerate  the genocide?

Suspended, not dismissed. But yeah, the MP said something so crazy that he got booted.

[Yagoda]

10 minutes ago, norfolkandchance said:

Don't throw rocks then.

Well that's not it exactly. The exact concept is don't throw rocks at people with guns. As Hamas training provides for, it is okay to throw rocks at unarmed civilians, especially toddlers. Civilians don't shoot back, and that's a necessity

[norfolkandchance]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well that's not it exactly. The exact concept is don't throw rocks at people with guns. As Hamas training provides for, it is okay to throw rocks at unarmed civilians, especially toddlers. Civilians don't shoot back, and that's a necessity

Or simply, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

[Danderman123]

12 hours ago, ezzra said:

 

The Hamas terrorist billionaires who live in marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels as they decry Gaza poverty after profiting from misery and terror:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12706715/Hamas-terrorist-billionaires-live-marble-floored-mansions.html

 

Even after Hamas is destroyed, these guys will continue to live in luxury off Iranian money.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Even after Hamas is destroyed, these guys will continue to live in luxury off Iranian money.

Assuming Mossad doesnt get them. They are dead men walking.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Suspended, not dismissed. But yeah, the MP said something so crazy that he got booted.

 

Not exactly suspended, even, as it turns out. Banned from government meetings, but they aren't holding many of these now anyway - the war being run by a smaller ministerial forum. Not sure which MP 'got booted'.

[Morch]

34 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Even after Hamas is destroyed, these guys will continue to live in luxury off Iranian money.

 

I doubt Iran will support their lavish lifestyle. Hezbollah officials and fans already had a go at them over that. But either way, they have more than enough already, unless the USA manages to take it away or freeze it. Not a remote possibility.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Link, please.

 

Genocide is the elimination of an ethnic group (or an attempt to do so). Who is being eliminated? The Gazans who have been allowed to go into southern Gaza via safe corridors established by Israel?

The director of the New York office of the UN high commissioner for human rights has left his post, protesting that the UN is “failing” in its duty to prevent what he categorizes as genocide of Palestinian civilians in Gaza under Israeli bombardment and citing the US, UK and much of Europe as “wholly complicit in the horrific assault”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/un-official-resigns-israel-hamas-war-palestine-new-york

 

 

 

“The current wholesale slaughter of the Palestinian people, rooted in an ethno-nationalist colonial settler ideology, in continuation of decades of their systematic persecution and purging, based entirely upon their status as Arabs … leaves no room for doubt.”

Edited November 9, 2023 by Neeranam