Popular Post snoop1130 Posted November 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2023 BANGKOK, Nov 2 (TNA) – Thai Defence Minister Sutin Klungsang will form a team to negotiate with China to replace a submarine that the navy ordered in 2017 with a Chinese–made frigate. The government’s decision to procure the frigate instead of submarine as the submarine could not be fitted with a German-made engine as Thailand had requested. Mr. Sutin said he would convene a meeting to discuss the matter today. Full story: Thai News Agency 2023-11-02 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickleberry Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 And what happens when there is a problem with finding engines or whatever for the frigate? I thought that when a company breaks the contract, you are entitled to a full refund, no? Seems like the country needs as much money as it can get its hands on as Pheu Thai is intent on ruining the economy with its 10,000 baht handout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Bow to the Emperor (Xi)! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Thailand, China To Hold Unofficial Talks On Submarine-Frigate Tradeoff By Thai Newsroom Reporters Photo: Thai Rath THAILAND IS ANTICIPATING unofficial talks next week with China in bid to trade off a submarine already purchased by the Thai navy for a frigate, Defence Minister Suthin Khlangsang said today (Nov.2). Thai high-level defence officials and their Chinese counterparts are expected to hold the unofficial talks over the proposed tradeoff at a Defence & Security 2023 fair scheduled between Nov. 6 and Nov. 9 at Muang Thong Thani exhibition and convention centre in Bangkok, Suthin said. Then, a Thai delegation will be assigned to officially negotiate the tradeoff with China at a later date, according to the defence minister. Thailand has already opted to not procure the Yuan-class S26T submarine due to lack of a German-made MTU396 engine to be installed aboard as earlier specified in the 13 billion baht purchase contract. Full story: THAI NEWSROOM 2023-11-03 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Ahh, so that's what they do without an engine....they float! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Project Phoenix where you will end up with something to sink 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 where's the money coming from oh well the navy where do they get their money from, why are they so rich ? anyone care to guess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungod Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 There will be no talks, Thailand will be talked at and then informed what will happen next..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 13 hours ago, snoop1130 said: BANGKOK, Nov 2 (TNA) – Thai Defence Minister Sutin Klungsang will form a team to negotiate with China to replace a submarine that the navy ordered in 2017 with a Chinese–made frigate. Why do they need a Frigate? Just tell China the deal is off the table, the government could use the money to fund the 10,000 baht vote bribe. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Get a frigate and all the Thai submariners will need more training. But at least they will already be familiar with a ship that goes under. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 What is a Frigate? Isn't that a fancy name for a supply ship? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post edwinchester Posted November 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, IAMHERE said: What is a Frigate? Isn't that a fancy name for a supply ship? Typically it's a small, fast warship designed to protect other ships in the fleet. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Maybe they thought it was a freegate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Why is this still in the news? just a rehash of the same old news we were told weeks ago, just let us know when and if a "Deal" is done and how many more billions it will cost than a Sub. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 4 hours ago, smedly said: where do they get their money from, why are they so rich ? anyone care to guess Early to bed Early to rise Makes a man Healthy, wealthy and wise? 😏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooky Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Don't know why they need it except for training purposes, but a Frigate makes much more sense than a submarine considering the depth of most Thai sea water areas they will (might) patrol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 We don't want your junk sub. But, we're a bunch of overgrown boys with a big budget, who want to impress people with big toys that are very, very expensive. We don't really have a need for your boats but we like the idea of seeming like big important men. What can you sell us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoDisplayName Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Why does the submarine need an engine? Couldn't they just tie it up next to the aircraft carrier with no aircraft that goes nowhere, or warehouse it along with the blimps that don't hold their helium. Why not exchange the sub for a fleet of chinese weather baroooms able to circumnavigate the globe carrying a ton of erectlonics, and base 'em on the as yet unused flattop? Win-win-win!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, spidermike007 said: We don't want your junk sub. But, we're a bunch of overgrown boys with a big budget, who want to impress people with big toys that are very, very expensive. We don't really have a need for your boats but we like the idea of seeming like big important men. What can you sell us? I do wonder if the Chinese subs and/or frigate come with Chinese "technicians," who, after their initial deployment might become permanent. And that is what is going on, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Bones Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 9 hours ago, hotchilli said: Why do they need a Frigate? Just tell China the deal is off the table, the government could use the money to fund the 10,000 baht vote bribe. Frigates are important. Frigates have engines (maybe.) Frigates can float and also go beneath the waves (based on previous Thai naval experience) during a mild breeze.🙃🙃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Bones Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 6 hours ago, edwinchester said: Typically it's a small, fast warship designed to protect other ships in the fleet. Ah. To protect the aircraft (non) carrier. Got it.🙃🙃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bamnutsak Posted November 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2023 Whoa. Slow your roll there. Jumping to "talks" before forming a committee? Major faux pas. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, John Drake said: I do wonder if the Chinese subs and/or frigate come with Chinese "technicians," who, after their initial deployment might become permanent. And that is what is going on, here. Well it's been at least 60 years since a single Thai member of the Navy has piloted a submarine, so it's very likely correct what do you are speculating about. Has anyone considered the ramifications of that? Has anyone stopped to think about maintenance, the cost of maintenance, the difficulty of maintenance. I wonder how many aspects of the future of this fleet have been considered? Edited November 3, 2023 by spidermike007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 does Thailand knows how reliable Chinese submarines are, maybe not, as China denies the accident never happened 555 55 Chinese sailors allegedly died after falling into their own undersea trap https://www.yahoo.com/news/55-chinese-sailors-allegedly-died-025929304.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 14 hours ago, spidermike007 said: Has anyone considered the ramifications of that? Has anyone stopped to think about maintenance, the cost of maintenance, the difficulty of maintenance. Chinese technicians will lead to a permanent Chinese presence and eventually a Chinese manned port facility and naval base. Perfect match for the one they've already got in Cambodia. The Gulf of Thailand is becoming a Chinese lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KanchanaburiGuy Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 "I'm sorry, you can't trade back your submarine." "Why?" "Because it doesn't have an engine." "It doesn't have an engine because you never gave us an engine." "Right. And that's why you can't trade it back. It has no engine." "We..... can't...... wait...... what?" "That's right." "But rather than a submarine we can't use, we'd rather have a frigate we can use. Can we trade it for a frigate? You can then complete the submarine yourselves for your own use." "We don't want that submarine. It doesn't have an engine." "But what about a frigate?" "A frigate, you say? You'd like to have a frigate?" "Yes, we would!" "Well........ we might have a frigate we could exchange for your submarine. We might be able to work that out." "Really?" "Yes, of course! We might be able to do this! The frigate is perfect except for one thing: It doesn't have a hull........" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 10 hours ago, John Drake said: Chinese technicians will lead to a permanent Chinese presence and eventually a Chinese manned port facility and naval base. Perfect match for the one they've already got in Cambodia. The Gulf of Thailand is becoming a Chinese lake. Just like the South China Sea. The ambitions of the Chinese for expansion know no bounds. Just give it some time and all of this will be seen very very clearly. Xi and his CCP goons are up to no good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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