overstay problem

[vinci]

I met a friend about 3 years ago he just contacted me asking for help about overstaying in Thailand, I asked him how long he had overstayed and he told me roughly a year, I was about to tell him to go to immigration but realized it was a bad idea, but instead head for the airport and pay the fine and leave, as many posters had suggested in other topics about overstay, did I gave him the right advice?, problem 2 he said he meet a girl and fall in love, he doesn't want to leave and can't come back, if he pays the fine and leaves at an airport what is the chance that they let him leave without banning him so he can return with proper visa, would they let him leave without black listing him, any advice you all can give me how to deal with this.

 

can an agent help with this problem?

Edited November 2, 2023 by vinci

[farangbuffalo]

Just tell immigration he only overstay because fell in love. Should get a big smile, wai and no ban

[Sigma6]

No way.  He'll be blacklisted for 3 years.

 

[Caldera]

With an overstay of "roughly a year", it really matters if it will be less than a year or not when he heads to the airport.

 

The fine will be the same (20,000 baht), but if he has overstayed for one year or more, a mandatory ban will be imposed as well. 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Caldera said:

With an overstay of "roughly a year", it really matters if it will be less than a year or not when he heads to the airport.

 

The fine will be the same (20,000 baht), but if he has overstayed for one year or more, a mandatory ban will be imposed as well. 

 

Nearly...

 

Depending on which side of 1 year he has overstayed - the ban is 1 year or 3 years. 

 

[Tod Daniels]

 

have him buy a ticket back to where ever it is he comes from, show up at the airport with 20K baht (the max the fine can be) pay the fine, sign the banning paperwork, get the 1 year ban if he's overstay under a year or get the 3 year ban if he's overstayed more than a year, and leave the country.

 

He won't have ANY issue at all doing what I just outlined IF he gets to the airport.

Can an agent help him? Unlikely, overstays are the one thing that are cut in stone, I mean you either overstayed your stamp or you didn't, and it's highly unlikely he 'forgot' he was on overstay for a year 😕 So I imagine he needs to suck it up, get the ban, go back to where he comes from, wait it out and then come back. 

[vinci]

I will be buying him a plane ticket home and also give him the fine money, the chance he will not get ban is slim

 

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Just tell immigration he only overstay because fell in love. Should get a big smile, wai and no ban

it's an idea, at this point, it doesn't hurt to try

[Tod Daniels]

2 minutes ago, vinci said:

the chance he will not get ban is slim

There is zero chance he will not get the ban. <- meaning he WILL be banned

That's the ONLY thing they are hard as nails about and the banning periods are well known and well publicized 😕

[vinci]

can an agent help in this matter?

[Maestro]

12 minutes ago, vinci said:

can an agent help in this matter?

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1311062-overstay-problem/?do=findComment&comment=18471111

 

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, vinci said:

I will be buying him a plane ticket home and also give him the fine money, the chance he will not get ban is slim

 

it's an idea, at this point, it doesn't hurt to try

 

Hopefully someone will correct me if this is wrong, but.....

 

If he can get to the airport undetected, he'll pay a fine, get banned, and then board his plane.

 

If he goes to immigration, or gets stopped by the police, he'll be fined and held at IDC until he goes to court, and then he'll be deported.  From what I've read the wait at IDC can be weeks, and isn't at all comfortable.  And I believe the ban if caught is much longer as well.

 

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by NoDisplayName

[VinnieK]

Two terrible things happening here 

He overstayed and  fell in love..

Good grief.

It's not with a prostitute, is it?🤦‍♂️

I bet he will soldier on until be gets caught.

 

[nglodnig]

This begs a question - HOW did he get to overstay for a year? Did he forget? My daughter and her boyfriend were sh*tting bricks they would overstay by one WEEk so we did a border run to Laos. It's not difficult.

Edited November 2, 2023 by nglodnig

[scubascuba3]

5 hours ago, vinci said:

problem 2 he said he meet a girl and fall in love, he doesn't want to leave and can't come back

Maybe he should of thought about that prior to overstaying

[andux]

OP, you sound like a nice guy, but this friend of yours really sucks...

 

And why do you have to pay for his plane ticket and his fine? How does he even keep a gf around being such a mess?

 

PS: Remember that you only met this guy 3 years ago... Hopefully he's not telling you some sort of modified sick buffalo story in order to exploit your generous nature for a free trip back home and some cash.

Edited November 2, 2023 by andux

[VinnieK]

55 minutes ago, nglodnig said:

This begs a question - HOW did he get to overstay for a year? Did he forget? My daughter and her boyfriend were sh*tting bricks they would overstay by one WEEk so we did a border run to Laos. It's not difficult.

Overstay almost always involves lack of money 

Also...a certain degree of stupidity and/ or craziness.

 

[farangbuffalo]

Is it more than 1 year overstay or under? Should be easy to know by just looking at his last stamp

 

If under 1 year then leave immediately and take the relatively short 1 year ban. But if its over a year he almost might as well stay a bit longer if he wants to, as the punishment will be the same when he leaves for an overstay up to 3 years anyway. Of course if he gets caught then it's a 10 year ban tho

[daveAustin]

If he’s ‘fallen in love’, a ban could be a blessing in disguise. 

[CartagenaWarlock]

51 minutes ago, VinnieK said:

Overstay almost always involves lack of money 

Also...a certain degree of stupidity and/ or craziness.

Lack of money? How is he surviving unless he is working illegally?
I think it's more than that. It's a sense of entitlement. 

[bbko]

8 hours ago, vinci said:

I met a friend about 3 years ago he just contacted me asking for help

Did you have contact with him during those 3 years or did he just start contacting you now?  If there was no or very limited contact during those 3 years, and now he needs your money for a plane ticket & overstay fines, I'd be concerned he's trying to scam you.  

[Captain Monday]

If you get banned for one to three years does Thailand put you on an APIS  ”no fly”list with the airlines?

 

Once the overstayers ban period is over is it near impossible to get off the no fly list ?

 

[Caldera]

1 hour ago, Captain Monday said:

If you get banned for one to three years does Thailand put you on an APIS  ”no fly”list with the airlines?

 

Once the overstayers ban period is over is it near impossible to get off the no fly list ?

 

During your ban, if you attempt to board a plane to Thailand, the airline will get a "do not board" message via APIS.

 

There have been a few reports of people denied boarding after their ban was supposed to have ended, presumably because the end date was entered wrong in immigration's system. It's not "near impossible" to get that fixed if it happens, but not necessarily cheap.

[bbi1]

It's always "a friend" 😆🤣 🤣

[chuang]

Throw him to the wolves..

[kingstonkid]

13 hours ago, vinci said:

can an agent help in this matter?

I take it you don't read all the posts.

 

2 have told you you have no chance of not getting banned.

 

If gf doesn't work then fly into Cambodia for a year.

[brianthainess]

Tell him not to worry his GF will still be working in the same bar when he comes back. And say goodbye to any money he will owe you.  

[Jenkins9039]

Don't waste time booking him a flight, they will send him to court, then detention, spend 4 months there before expelling...

 

Shop him in for the commission (think you get rewards for that now).

 

It's people like him that makes it harder for the rest of us. 

[NoDisplayName]

7 hours ago, VinnieK said:

Overstay almost always involves lack of money 

Also...a certain degree of stupidity and/ or craziness.

 

 

Lack of money?

 

Bus to southern border. 

Visa waiver into Malaysia.

Mama noodles for dinner.

Bench at bus station.

Mama noodles for brekkie.

Visa waiver into Thailand

Bus to Bangkok.

 

At most a couple thousand baht.

 

Or.........take the overstay, get buddy to fork over 20k for the fine and another 30k for flight home.  That frees up 50k for hookers and blow.

[JimTripper]

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

13 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Hopefully someone will correct me if this is wrong, but.....

 

If he can get to the airport undetected, he'll pay a fine, get banned, and then board his plane.

 

If he goes to immigration, or gets stopped by the police, he'll be fined and held at IDC until he goes to court, and then he'll be deported.  From what I've read the wait at IDC can be weeks, and isn't at all comfortable.  And I believe the ban if caught is much longer as well.

 

forget immigration.

 

if he goes to immigration it may not be interpreted as surrendering. you make think it is, but some somchai at the desk just calls over the police and your stuck because english is a second language and nobody understands if you're trying to get an extension or whatever.

 

they may also not be authorized to accept the 20k baht fine at an immigration office, it may be an airport thing. that means they can't just let you go if you're sitting there at immigration.

 

if he has a ticket out at the airport they kind of know what to do and what the procedure is. don't say anything at the airport, just act like you don't know anything about it and do what they tell you. slim chance, but possible some busy officer just waves you through.

Edited November 3, 2023 by JimTripper

[vinci]

he asked his older brother for help back in the States, I also became best friends and close friends with his brother, and his brother asked me for a favor to help him, yes overstay is always about money, no she is not a bar girl, she is from the countryside, I'm talking to a lawyer now see if they can do anything to help even if need to give lunch money, worst comes to worst I will drive him to the airport and take care of thing at the airport, i think best is to turn in at airport rather then any other place.