The Met Police WON'T ban Poppy Day pro-Palestine rally

[Morch]

45 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

How can one demonstrate an objection to the actions of the Israeli government without being branded an anti Semite?

 

Were you branded an anti Semite on current topics?

[Morch]

58 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I would not have classed that as insult.

 

I would class it as a reminder though, and I would wonder where I went wrong.

 

Then again I am not thin skinned.

 

Some may say, @billd766, that putting people on 'ignore' is evidence of being thin skinned.

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I guess so but avoiding the poppy day celebrations in a host country is only respect. There are many other days to demonstrate in support of the Palestinians 

 

‘Host country’?

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

‘Host country’?

 

 

Yes host country and for citizens. Happy now. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes host country and for citizens. Happy now. 

Do you have evidence that the demonstrators are not British citizens?

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Do you have evidence that the demonstrators are not British citizens?

 

 

Why would I need it. What are the chances that 100% of the demonstrators are British? 

[Negita43]

On 11/8/2023 at 4:34 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

How about the right to peacefully protest Jonny?

Yes and that's what those who died in 2 world wars died for, so having the freedom to march against war on this particular day underlines hard fought for values and far from being an insult is actually a celebration of their sacrifice.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Negita43 said:

Yes and that's what those who died in 2 world wars died for, so having the freedom to march against war on this particular day underlines hard fought for values and far from being an insult is actually a celebration of their sacrifice.

Well yes I agree, it’s one of the things people from around the world who fought with Britain in two world wars fought for.

 

And yes I agree, marching for peace on Armistice Day is a fitting memorial to those who were killed or injured in those wars and the many wars and conflicts since. 

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well yes I agree, it’s one of the things people from around the world who fought with Britain in two world wars fought for.

 

And yes I agree, marching for peace on Armistice Day is a fitting memorial to those who were killed or injured in those wars and the many wars and conflicts since. 

 

You claim that they march for peace. Many of them march for additional or other reasons.

That you try to present things as decided, or ignore facts is not helpful. I think you can make your argument without the wide-brush.

[WhatMeWorry]

All the Labour Party globalist, socialist, woke supporters will hang glide into the event.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why would I need it. What are the chances that 100% of the demonstrators are British? 

They don’t have to be Brian, the right to freedom of assembly (Article 11 of the European Convention on Hunan Rights) under which the right to peaceful protest in the UK exists has no ‘nationality’ qualification.

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

They don’t have to be Brian, the right to freedom of assembly (Article 11 of the European Convention on Hunan Rights) under which the right to peaceful protest in the UK exists has no ‘nationality’ qualification.

 

Deflection, you were implying that there were no non British citizens taking part and asked me for evidence when its frigging obvious they would not all be British.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Morch said:

 

You claim that they march for peace. Many of them march for additional or other reasons.

That you try to present things as decided, or ignore facts is not helpful. I think you can make your argument without the wide-brush.

Oh dear.

 

So some folk tag along for other reasons, other folk join counter demonstrations for other reasons.

 

Perhaps now you’ll understand my objection to a Minister of State inflaming already high emotions and dig whistling to the extreme rightwing rather than seeking to quieten those emotions with careful and considered commentary.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh dear.

 

So some folk tag along for other reasons, other folk join counter demonstrations for other reasons.

 

Perhaps now you’ll understand my objection to a Minister of State inflaming already high emotions and dig whistling to the extreme rightwing rather than seeking to quieten those emotions with careful and considered commentary.

 

Well, having seen enough footage and pictures, I think your description is contrived, and aimed at minimizing what was referenced to.

Already said I got your point. Don't think I posted anything in favor of what she said, obviously could have been handled better. But that by itself doesn't make them protests into what you try to paint them as.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Deflection, you were implying that there were no non British citizens taking part and asked me for evidence when its frigging obvious they would not all be British.

Brian.

 

It is you that used the term ‘host country’.

It is you that are arguing demonstrators are not British Citizens

 

It is for you to provide evidence to back your claims, not me.

 

And anyway, as I’ve already stated, Article 11 of the ECHR under which the rights within the UK to peaceful protest exist has no nationality qualification.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Morch said:

 

Well, having seen enough footage and pictures, I think your description is contrived, and aimed at minimizing what was referenced to.

Already said I got your point. Don't think I posted anything in favor of what she said, obviously could have been handled better. But that by itself doesn't make them protests into what you try to paint them as.

Oddly you aren’t taking up any argument against those paining the protestors as violent, anti-semites.

 

I’m rather pleased the police understand their obligations to not interfere with the right to peaceful protest, and indeed peaceful counter protest.

They can focus on dealing with those who break the law and let others enjoy their rights, as the law requires the police to do.

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Brian.

 

It is you that used the term ‘host country’.

It is you that are arguing demonstrators are not British Citizens

 

It is for you to provide evidence to back your claims, not me.

 

And anyway, as I’ve already stated, Article 11 of the ECHR under which the rights within the UK to peaceful protest exist has no nationality qualification.

 

 

Chomper, I don't need to provide evidence to you on what I consider to be obvious. You may want to look at the many stats on non British citizens populations in London to clearly make a comparion to any large groups. However again I don't care whethjer you do that or not, I'm not wasting my time over such an obvious point that you are stretching for argument sake.

 

Back to my point, regardless of rights, its to do with respect, whether you are a UK national or not. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Chomper, I don't need to provide evidence to you on what I consider to be obvious. You may want to look at the many stats on non British citizens populations in London to clearly make a comparion to any large groups. However again I don't care whethjer you do that or not, I'm not wasting my time over such an obvious point that you are stretching for argument sake.

 

Back to my point, regardless of rights, its to do with respect, whether you are a UK national or not. 

 

 

I understand your desire to make unsubstantiated claims and ire at being challenged for doing so.

 

I see absolutely nothing disrespectful about protesting for an end to a war on a day dedicated to the memory of an Armistice.

Opinions differ, but rights to peaceful protest are a matter of law and international human rights conventions (that were promulgated in the aftermath of WW2) and to which the UK is a founding nation signatory.

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

 

I understand your desire to make unsubstantiated claims and ire at being challenged for doing so.

 

I see absolutely nothing disrespectful about protesting for an end to a war on a day dedicated to the memory of an Armistice.

Opinions differ, but rights to peaceful protest are a matter of law and international human rights conventions (that were promulgated in the aftermath of WW2) and to which the UK is a founding nation signatory.

 

 

 

I understand your desire to make unsubstantiated claims and ire at being challenged for doing so.

 

Very weak Chomper.....lol

 

I will leave this topic as I started off with my first post, and no the platter bit is not to be taken literally, I leave those sort of things to the Hamas terrorists who deliberately massacred 100's of innocent civilians. 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I understand your desire to make unsubstantiated claims and ire at being challenged for doing so.

 

Very weak Chomper.....lol

 

I will leave this topic as I started off with my first post, and no the platter bit is not to be taken literally, I leave those sort of things to the Hamas terrorists who deliberately massacred 100's of innocent civilians. 

 

Can't see many Hamas terrorists being there, but I hope a lot of the anti- Zionist Jews are there with their "not in our name placards"

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, WhatMeWorry said:

All the Labour Party globalist, socialist, woke supporters will hang glide into the event.

Are you sure you used all your ‘key board short-cuts’? 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Can't see many Hamas terrorists being there, but I hope a lot of the anti- Zionist Jews are there with their "not in our name placards"

Did I say there was? I did see some Hamas supporters in the news pics though although fortunately the UK Met has made arrests

[nauseus]

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems reasonable to have strong opinions about a nation that bombs 10 year old children to bits in their home.

 

If certain people don't want demonstrations about it, just stop the bombing, turn the power on, and allow water and medical aid in.

Complaining about demonstrations while bombing schools and hospitals sheltering those who's homes got blown up is the height of hypocrisy, IMO.

 

Complaining about murderous attacks on one side while not complaining about the barbarism by the other side that started this off, is even greater hypocrisy IMO.

[Morch]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oddly you aren’t taking up any argument against those paining the protestors as violent, anti-semites.

 

I’m rather pleased the police understand their obligations to not interfere with the right to peaceful protest, and indeed peaceful counter protest.

They can focus on dealing with those who break the law and let others enjoy their rights, as the law requires the police to do.

 

 

 

 

Oddly, I don't have to address both sides of each and every topic.

 

I agree with you that some of the comments made by the ones you argue with are over the top. I think that's partly due to the way you present your views - refusing to acknowledge points made, or doing your best to minimize and dismiss them. You may be satisfied with how the police handled or may handle things, obviously not everyone agrees.

 

I don't think the protests are quite as you try to paint them, I don't think the police reaction was optimal either.

[nauseus]

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The demonstration organizers are now predicting attendance to be as high as 500,000, which would make this one of the largest political demonstrations ever in the UK:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/10/pro-palestine-march-will-be-one-of-uks-biggest-ever-protests-organisers-predict

That number, if true, is enough reason alone for the PP demo be banned this weekend. The police have no way to manage that.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

That number, if true, is enough reason alone for the PP demo be banned this weekend. The police have no way to manage that.

 

We should start a tabulation of excuses used by those eager to deny others their right to peaceful protest.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Oddly, I don't have to address both sides of each and every topic.

 

I agree with you that some of the comments made by the ones you argue with are over the top. I think that's partly due to the way you present your views - refusing to acknowledge points made, or doing your best to minimize and dismiss them. You may be satisfied with how the police handled or may handle things, obviously not everyone agrees.

 

I don't think the protests are quite as you try to paint them, I don't think the police reaction was optimal either.

Opinions differ.

 

I’m on the side of defending the right to peacefully protest and arresting and prosecuting those who break the law.

 

But I think you got that.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Were you branded an anti Semite on current topics?

 

Personally not, however these days I usually avoid participating in such debates.

 

However my question was not about me particularly, but of the almost Pavlovian response of some to any criticism of Israel. I have no doubt that you are aware of the phenomenon.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Maybe the demonstration Marshall and the police should do their job and deal with such people, amongst the protestors and the counter protestors.

 

 

Demonstration Marshall? Who is that then?

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Opinions differ.

 

I’m on the side of defending the right to peacefully protest and arresting and prosecuting those who break the law.

 

But I think you got that.

 

You're also on the side of ignoring what others say and doggedly repeat the same message over and over again.