Women and Thailand expert discusses the misconceptions about Thai women.

[timendres]

  On 11/25/2023 at 2:55 PM, ericthai said:

sadly he he still doesn't understand Pattaya

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Can't pronounce it properly either.

[OneMoreFarang]

Not even 5 minutes to explain girls in Thailand. Yeah, sure.

[Lacessit]

  On 11/25/2023 at 2:55 PM, ericthai said:

sadly he he still doesn't understand Pattaya and why allot of guys come to Thailand.

 

Also, it doesn't matter if the girl works in a bar or not, she can still be a gold digger. 

I've had several friends marry a bar girl and have had great relationships.

I've had a few friends that married an office girl and got taken to the cleaners.  so, as anywhere in the world it depends on the girl, not where she works.

 

These guys come to Thailand and after 2-3 years they think they know everything and believe they are an expert..lol

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I agree. I have lived in Thailand for 12 years, and speak reasonable Thai. Working on reading and writing it,

Many relationships here begin as transactional, then develop into something else as love and trust grows.

There is no way I will ever understand all the nuances of the Thai mindset.

[stoner]

  On 11/15/2023 at 12:03 PM, bignok said:

Pattaya is pronounced partaya

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i often find it so strange how many foreigners mispronounce pattaya. 

 

 

[Walker88]

I've been visiting or living in Thailand for many years. I've also lived in several other countries representing each of the world's main faiths, so I have experienced quite diverse cultures and belief systems. That doesn't make me an expert, but it has given me enough experience to have an opinion (which may or may not be right).

 

Thailand seems to be better at indoctrinating its citizens than most countries. While all countries teach myths to their citizens, Thailand mixes their myths with tacit (or direct) admonitions about questioning the myths. They even have laws preventing questioning or criticizing their myths. That leaves many Thais---women included---with a sense of superiority that can baffle outsiders who know what the rest of the world is like and what the rest of the world has achieved. The fact is that despite always having a population whose size places it in the top 15% of all nations, Thailand has achieved or contributed precious little to the body of human knowledge, discovery or invention....which is a polite way of saying nothing.

 

That innate feeling of superiority can make women manipulative, as they are dealing with "inferior" outsiders and can view them as no more significant than an ant on the sidewalk. Hence some folks in this thread noted "liars. cheaters, etc."

 

The myths, combined with general education, leave most Thais woefully ignorant of both the rest of the world and human history. Even university graduates know almost nothing about anything, as far too much time is wasted on subjects of zero importance to anyone outside of the country. Also, the education system is---to put it politely---not very good. I recall reading an article a few years ago that listed Thailand's top university as #418 in Asia. When your #1 is only #418 in Asia, never mind the rest of the world, you're unlikely to produce world beaters. The system works for them, or at least it works for those in control, so it is not going to change. With a qini coefficent among the highest in the world, those who run Thailand have zero incentive to ever change.

 

Thais who have spent time abroad get hit with a harsh reality: the world pays precious little attention to Thailand or to the myths Thais are taught are so important and make Thais so special. Thais abroad find that the general view of Thailand, if people have one, is 'spicy food and bargirls'. About the only time in the last 100 years Thailand got international play in media was when the tsunami hit Phuket. For some Thais, that lack of concern about what they've been taught is the center of the known Universe can be a rude awakening.

 

The ones who come to terms with it, however, can become a great partner, as they can look at everything more honestly. Even Thais who can never rid themselves of the mythical baggage can be sweet and endearing. The same mythical beliefs exist in citizens of most countries, but they do not seem to run as deep and are not as thorough as what is inculcated in Thais.

 

To get back squarely on topic, I do not think there is any difference between a Thai woman who works P4P and a Thai woman from a hi-so family. Both bring a false, even silly sense of superiority to their dealings with outsiders, and bridging the cultural gap, should one enter a relationship, is as difficult for women of either background, or anything in between. Whether office worker, factory worker, hi-so heir, professional, or bargirl, it will take some luck to bridge the cultural gap.

 

I am sure there are exceptions (e.g., "your" Thai wife or GF), but my experience tells me what I have written is the norm.

[Walker88]

  On 11/26/2023 at 1:30 AM, stoner said:

 

i often find it so strange how many foreigners mispronounce pattaya. 

 

 

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My favorite is "puh TIE ya".

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 11/25/2023 at 2:55 PM, ericthai said:

Also, it doesn't matter if the girl works in a bar or not, she can still be a gold digger. 

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My western partner was a well respected head of a charity, and everyone she knew loved her.

She ignored her children in pursuit of her career and took me to the cleaners ( at least she certainly cleaned me out ) when I walked away from her.

She wasn't a "gold digger" as I had no gold, but she still took my nice car, and my house that I loved.

Compared to her, bargirls were saints.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 11/26/2023 at 1:30 AM, stoner said:

 

i often find it so strange how many foreigners mispronounce pattaya. 

 

 

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LOL.

Did any Thais care how farangs pronounced it? No they didn't.

Perhaps they went woke after I left the place.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 11/26/2023 at 1:33 AM, Walker88 said:

The fact is that despite always having a population whose size places it in the top 15% of all nations, Thailand has achieved or contributed precious little to the body of human knowledge, discovery or invention....which is a polite way of saying nothing.

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While that is about as arrogant as a farang can get, the Thais are the better for not "conforming" to the western ideal, which is IMO rotten to the core.

 

Western nations were great at subduing other races and exploiting them, but Siam was quite good at avoiding such a miserable fate, so kudos to them.

They still, for the most part, have avoided the evils of PC, wokism and gender insanity, so more kudos for that.

 

What every western person that rubbishes the Thais and their culture can not explain is why, if they are so inferior to the great western culture, millions of western men flock there to find out what real women are like.

Pish posh to western culture, give me Thailand every time.

[bignok]

  On 11/25/2023 at 2:55 PM, ericthai said:

sadly he he still doesn't understand Pattaya and why allot of guys come to Thailand.

 

Also, it doesn't matter if the girl works in a bar or not, she can still be a gold digger. 

I've had several friends marry a bar girl and have had great relationships.

I've had a few friends that married an office girl and got taken to the cleaners.  so, as anywhere in the world it depends on the girl, not where she works.

 

These guys come to Thailand and after 2-3 years they think they know everything and believe they are an expert..lol

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True

 

[roo860]

He's married to a Russian, apparently. 

[bignok]

Muay Thai

Massage

Food

Silk

 

Thais have contributed to the world.

 

UFC fighters all learn muay thai. Most people like Thai food. Thai massage is world's best. Silk is world's best.

 

 

[spidermike007]

Bloggers are just people with an opinion, it doesn't really mean anything. People just say stuff and a very small percentage of them are wise and truly knowledgeable.

 

So one just needs to ignore the nonsense. 

 

There are many really outstanding women in this country. In my opinion they outshine where I come from by a long shot, so anyone who has these generalized opinions is just blabbering away, that's all they're doing. 

[BritManToo]

  On 11/26/2023 at 3:57 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

What every western person that rubbishes the Thais and their culture can not explain is why, if they are so inferior to the great western culture, millions of western men flock there to find out what real women are like.

Pish posh to western culture, give me Thailand every time.

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I came here to find out what cheap hookers are like, and have succeeded beyond my wildest fantasies.

[stoner]

  On 11/26/2023 at 3:57 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

While that is about as arrogant as a farang can get, the Thais are the better for not "conforming" to the western ideal, which is IMO rotten to the core.

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i'm a little confused. i don't see where he was talking about conforming at all. in fact it says it no where in his post. only you said it. 

 

his points are quite valid for having a discussion and you glossed over it quite nice. bravo on the deflection. 

[stoner]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:01 AM, bignok said:

Muay Thai

Massage

Food

Silk

 

Thais have contributed to the world.

 

UFC fighters all learn muay thai. Most people like Thai food. Thai massage is world's best. Silk is world's best.

 

 

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silk originated in china

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_silk

 

massage originates from india

 

https://florida-academy.edu/history-of-massage-therapy/

 

food - most of it is scraps and garbage thrown together as a means of survival.

 

muay thai - most of this was taken from cambodia.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:09 AM, stoner said:

 

i'm a little confused. i don't see where he was talking about conforming at all. in fact it says it no where in his post. only you said it. 

 

his points are quite valid for having a discussion and you glossed over it quite nice. bravo on the deflection. 

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He was too dismissive of Thais for my liking, and by implication was saying western culture is superior, which IMO is completely incorrect. Thailand was better before it became consumed by western garbage culture.

[bignok]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:12 AM, stoner said:

 

silk originated in china

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_silk

 

massage originates from india

 

https://florida-academy.edu/history-of-massage-therapy/

 

food - most of it is scraps and garbage thrown together as a means of survival.

 

muay thai - most of this was taken from cambodia.

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Load of nonsense. Muay Thai fighters are superior to Cambodia.

 

It comes from Muay Boran.

 

Thai massage is better than Indian massage.

 

Thai silk is no 1.

[stoner]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:12 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Thailand was better before it became consumed by western garbage culture.

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not sure i can agree with a caste system (pretty much) as being better. now today but for much of its past i mean. 

[ArnieP]

The OP is the owner of this forum. From comments in this thread and elsewhere it’s no wonder he’s put it up for sale.

[bignok]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:16 AM, stoner said:

 

not sure i can agree with a caste system (pretty much) as being better. now today but for much of its past i mean. 

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West is boring. Poms invented lots of sports but suck at them. So inventing stuff doesnt mean much.

[stoner]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:15 AM, bignok said:

Load of nonsense. Muay Thai fighters are superior to Cambodia.

 

It comes from Muay Boran.

 

Thai massage is better than Indian massage.

 

Thai silk is no 1.

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load of nonsense what ? 

 

thai did not contribute any of those things to the world. they took them and adapted them sure but the origins are not thai as you implicated. 

 

muay boran is not the origins of muay thai.  thailand borrowed most of the style from cambodian origins. read a little. 

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:16 AM, stoner said:

 

not sure i can agree with a caste system (pretty much) as being better. now today but for much of its past i mean. 

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The west has a caste system, that doesn't look like a caste system. Only opt out if don't care about being part of the sheeple.

 

In England I had the misfortune to have to spend a day with a "lord" and had to bite my tongue to not say the wrong thing.

[bignok]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:19 AM, stoner said:

 

load of nonsense what ? 

 

thai did not contribute any of those things to the world. they took them and adapted them sure but the origins are not thai as you implicated. 

 

muay boran is not the origins of muay thai.  thailand borrowed most of the style from cambodian origins. read a little. 

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You are posting rubbish. Inventing stuff doesnt mean much. Thais perfected several things.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:19 AM, stoner said:

 

load of nonsense what ? 

 

thai did not contribute any of those things to the world. they took them and adapted them sure but the origins are not thai as you implicated. 

 

muay boran is not the origins of muay thai.  thailand borrowed most of the style from cambodian origins. read a little. 

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LOL. Everything human started in Africa as that is where humans originated, so everything is "borrowed" somewhere along the line.

[bignok]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:19 AM, stoner said:

 

load of nonsense what ? 

 

thai did not contribute any of those things to the world. they took them and adapted them sure but the origins are not thai as you implicated. 

 

muay boran is not the origins of muay thai.  thailand borrowed most of the style from cambodian origins. read a little. 

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Here you go clown

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muay_boran

[stoner]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:21 AM, bignok said:

You are posting rubbish. Inventing stuff doesnt mean much. Thais perfected several things.

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ok.

[bignok]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:22 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Everything human started in Africa as that is where humans originated, so everything is "borrowed" somewhere along the line.

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We started in the ocean. So credit should go to crabs!

[bignok]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:22 AM, stoner said:

 

ok.

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Dope head

[stoner]

  On 11/26/2023 at 4:22 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Everything human started in Africa as that is where humans originated, so everything is "borrowed" somewhere along the line.

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this makes 0 sense. 

 

humans started in africa yes. everything human ? good grief what a silly comment.