Israel is at War - General discussion (pt2)

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Hardly fair, they've already been squeezed into a tiny area by Israel. I heard it was the most densely populated area on earth,which is quite incredible.

 

@Neeranam

 

It is not, regardless of what you pretend to have heard. This particular point was already discussed, more than once on recent past topics (someone always bring up this chestnut). As far as I'm aware there are no residential areas right next to the border - so do explain 'squeezed' how?

[Bkk Brian]

16 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Can you name any better news channel to get new on the ME?

 

 

"There are massacres of civilians and children"

 

Palestinian man in Gaza curses Turkey and Qatar while talking to an Al-Jazeera (Qatari state TV) correspondent. "

The correspondent immediately ends the interview.

 

 

[Morch]

35 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Can you name any better news channel to get new on the ME?

 

@Neeranam

 

I have answered you on the same subject at least twice. There are plenty of sources available. Relying on one, which is obviously biased, might not be the best choice. If it's beyond you to understand the issue with AJ and reporting on matters at hand, then you're either intentionally playing obtuse or beyond help.

[Morch]

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well I would expect if they do this that the new buffer will be bigger, and I'm sure the RIver to the Sea brigade are going to be squawking. 

 

I doubt it will be bigger than that. physically difficult in some places. Also Israel got a much better all around security system these days. The issue with 7/10 was not that it did not work, but that tell-tale signs and reports were ignored. I don't think it will be easy to pull off another such attack for years to come.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

 

"Defensive" ?

I've agreed with many others if you eliminate any criminal civil threats on the spot in Israel or if you chase the intruders back into Gaza. 

 

 

Nope.

 

The threat must be permanently eliminated.

 

Any nation that can eliminate threats against it will do so, as history has shown.

 

Never forget.

[Neeranam]

53 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

@Neeranam

 

It is not, regardless of what you pretend to have heard. This particular point was already discussed, more than once on recent past topics (someone always bring up this chestnut). As far as I'm aware there are no residential areas right next to the border - so do explain 'squeezed' how?

Calling me  a liar?

I'm pretending nothing. 

I've heard this on a few channels, including Sky news. 

What topics? 

Of you are trying to day Israel didn't pack them into Gaza like sardines, you're deluded or at least totally biased. 

What is your nationality? 

 

[Neeranam]

50 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

@Neeranam

 

I have answered you on the same subject at least twice. There are plenty of sources available. Relying on one, which is obviously biased, might not be the best choice. If it's beyond you to understand the issue with AJ and reporting on matters at hand, then you're either intentionally playing obtuse or beyond help.

I rarely watch AJ, I watch Sky and France 24. 

What do you watch? 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

29 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Of you are trying to day Israel didn't pack them into Gaza like sardines

 

Considering that you claim to speak three languages, it would be helpful if one of them was English 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

30 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I rarely watch AJ

 

Pants on fire 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

I rarely watch AJ, I watch Sky and France 24. 

What do you watch? 

Oh @Neeranam wash that mouth out or consult the rabbit for another prayer

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

This is a problem for both sides imho there needs to be independent press in both camps, the Israeli's are targeting all journalists and if you're not a Muslim I can't see them being welcome in Gaza by anybody, until there is some sort of agreement on both sides to allow free press coverage no one no matter who they support is going to believe the press.

 

What makes you think that there is no 'independent press'? Or more to the point, what do mean by 'independent press', exactly? Kinda doubt you could support the claim that Israel is targeting all journalists. It is kinda amusing how you seem to imagine Hamas allowed 'free coverage', 'free press' and so on even prior to this war.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Calling me  a liar?

I'm pretending nothing. 

I've heard this on a few channels, including Sky news. 

What topics? 

Of you are trying to day Israel didn't pack them into Gaza like sardines, you're deluded or at least totally biased. 

What is your nationality? 

 

 

@Neeranam

 

Of course you did. Just that this was already done on these topics - and I kinda doubt you missed it, or even that you weren't part of the exchange. You tend to cycle through the same talking points, after all.

 

No, Israel did not 'pack them into Gaza like sardines' - not in the context free, sensational way your present.

 

[Neeranam]

45 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

@Neeranam

 

Of course you did. Just that this was already done on these topics - and I kinda doubt you missed it, or even that you weren't part of the exchange. You tend to cycle through the same talking points, after all.

 

No, Israel did not 'pack them into Gaza like sardines' - not in the context free, sensational way your present.

 

Well, we see things differently, which is fine. Are you Israeli? You seem to know all the history.

[Morch]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Well, we see things differently, which is fine. Are you Israeli? You seem to know all the history.

 

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

What makes you think that there is no 'independent press'? Or more to the point, what do mean by 'independent press', exactly? Kinda doubt you could support the claim that Israel is targeting all journalists. It is kinda amusing how you seem to imagine Hamas allowed 'free coverage', 'free press' and so on even prior to this war.

Must you always be so negative, I was trying to be fair to both sides.

 

I am in no doubt Hamas will be selective on who they will allow to be reporters, obviously AL J is there because of there backers, but I take all press with a pinch of salt unless it can be verified by another source.

 

Gaza war is deadliest conflict for journalists in over 30 years, press advocates say

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/03/1215798409/palestinian-journalists-killed-gaza-israel-hamas-war

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Must you always be so negative, I was trying to be fair to both sides.

 

I am in no doubt Hamas will be selective on who they will allow to be reporters, obviously AL J is there because of there backers, but I take all press with a pinch of salt unless it can be verified by another source.

 

Gaza war is deadliest conflict for journalists in over 30 years, press advocates say

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/03/1215798409/palestinian-journalists-killed-gaza-israel-hamas-war

 

Your post was not even-handed, and the claims made are either unclear or false.

For example, you claimed Israel is targeting all journalists. Even the link provided above does not make this claim. And that's without getting into how such designations go, and who gets them. I think most of the journalists (or whatever) were killed like most other casualties - not through targeting but due to being in an urban battle zone. Note that the article you linked is totally one sided, and centers on Gazan media people. It mention very briefly that Israeli journalists were killed on 7/10, and unless missed it, does not get into the whole thing about Gazan 'journalists' joining the Hamas raid (or following the initial onslaught, whatever).

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

22 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Your post was not even-handed, and the claims made are either unclear or false.

For example, you claimed Israel is targeting all journalists. Even the link provided above does not make this claim. And that's without getting into how such designations go, and who gets them. I think most of the journalists (or whatever) were killed like most other casualties - not through targeting but due to being in an urban battle zone. Note that the article you linked is totally one sided, and centers on Gazan media people. It mention very briefly that Israeli journalists were killed on 7/10, and unless missed it, does not get into the whole thing about Gazan 'journalists' joining the Hamas raid (or following the initial onslaught, whatever).

 

 

Israel does not want any press anywhere, not if it is not under there control, now give us a clue why.?

 

Hamas need the press.

[Morch]

First Hamas fighters raped her. Then they shot her in the head

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/78d415db-37e9-4845-82b3-a1c96094ce79?shareToken=eef2c8ce5c4d1185705afdc673741abb

 

Fighters....?

[Morch]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

Israel does not want any press anywhere, not if it is not under there control, now give us a clue why.?

 

Hamas need the press.

 

You make wide brush claims.

You don't back them up with anything.

Somehow you expect your loaded 'questions' to be answered.

 

[novacova]

“JERUSALEM, Dec 3 (Reuters) - Israeli forces have found 800 shafts leading to Hamas' vast subterranean network of tunnels and bunkers since a Gaza ground operation began on Oct 27, and have destroyed more than half of them, the military said on Sunday.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-it-uncovered-800-shafts-hamas-tunnels-below-gaza-2023-12-03/

 

And this is just in the areas the IDF is currently operating. Understand the enormous cost of building these underground facilities. All the money that the international community pumped into Gaza via the Palestinian Authority went to building these tunnels and bunkers.

And they serve only one purpose: Conflict with Israel.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

A baby was found dead in the microwave. You can argue that the baby was put there accidentally.

 

You can't argue that Hamas didn't kill the baby, or that Hamas didn't a bunch of other babies.

 

Please stop deflecting from the reality that Hamas committed unspeakable atrocities on October 7.

 

Or perhaps you want to deny that, too.

Still not providing proof that the baby was killed by microwaving, still deflecting, still refusing to answer the question you quoted.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Nope.

 

The threat must be permanently eliminated.

 

Any nation that can eliminate threats against it will do so, as history has shown.

 

Never forget.

The threat will never be eliminated. With every bomb killing children another battalion of resistance fighters is created. Israelis will never be safe in israel or outside israel, such is the hatred generated by the israeli massacres of the innocents.

Even if they could kill every Palestinian in Gaza, the West Bank and israel, millions are already in other countries, safe from the israeli atrocities.

 

See a victim of israel's bombs- is that a Hamas fighter? See a girl amid the destruction- is she a Hamas fighter?

 

Photos from google images

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Some photos of israeli "precision bombing". Photos from Google images.

 

https://tass.com/world/1699947

https://www.newarab.com/news/palestinian-wounded-gaza-dies-ahead-new-protest

 

https://bnn.network/conflict-defence/echoes-of-war-the-escalating-conflict-between-israel-and-hamas-2/

https://www.dci-palestine.org/2913_palestinian_children_killed_in_gaza_with_us_approval

 

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Stop watching stupid horror movies or violent porn. They are blurring reality in your sad case.

 

Fortunately I didn't watch it:

 

Foreign Reporters Burst Into Tears During IDF Screening of Hamas’ Atrocities

https://www.yahoo.com/news/foreign-reporters-burst-tears-during-215231538.html?guccounter=1

 

Unfortunately they did force at least one of the 12 year old hostages to watch it

 

Hamas forced hostage kids to watch videos of Oct. 7 atrocities

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-forced-hostage-kids-to-watch-videos-of-oct-7-atrocities-family-member-says/

 

My only other comment on such a morally corrupt post from a Hamas supporter is that you have proven exactly who is blurring the reality and its not me.

[Bkk Brian]

That's a lot of tunnels with financial resources used that was intended for the Gaza civilians

 

IDF has located 800 shafts under Gaza, Israeli government claims

The Israeli government spokesperson, Eylon Levy, has given a press conference on the latest updates on the Israeli army’s operation in Gaza.

“Since the start of the war the IDF has located 800 shafts and destroyed 500 of them, in addition to many miles of tunnel roads under civilian areas,” Levy said.

He also said an anti-tank missile was launched towards an IDF vehicle in northern Israel and "several IDF soldiers sustained light injuries".

[JBChiangRai]

I was out at dinner with my friends last night, a reasonable cross section, Americans, Canadians, British & Thai.

 

We went through the following...

 

Israel 

Palestine

Israeli/Jewish people

Palestinians

Hamas

 

We were unanimous in our position being 

Pro Palestine, Israeli/Jewish people, Palestinians

 

And

 

Anti Israel, Hamas

 

None of us are anti-semitic, none of us condone what happened on 7th October, we all think Hamas are terrorists.  We all see what's happening as a direct result of Nekbah turning Gaza & the West Bank into internment camps and occupation of the West Bank with Israel flouting international law.  We all think the collateral damage is disproportionate to the gains.

 

I am not going to respond to comments, I'm simply putting this out there, if this is how we feel, it's probably more widespread.

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

 

As someone who claims to read news in many languages, I am very sure you personally don't believe this rubbish, nice try but not good for your credibility.

 

Hamas fighters are very religious men and rape is against their teachings and morals. They were busy capturing 240 soldiers some dragged from their own tanks.

 

You really doubt Hamas men are 'Fighters'? As an ex-army officer yourself, what else would you call few hundred men who in just 2 hours seized control of 12 military bases and effectively brought Israel to its knees? Those were brave disciplined freedom fighters on a mission or as you try desperately to portray them as rapists chasing women??  

 

Female hostages were in captivity for almost 2 months. They were not raped or mistreated, all left with beaming smiles on camera.

 

You are seriously doubting the atrocities committed on October 7?

[Danderman123]

17 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I was out at dinner with my friends last night, a reasonable cross section, Americans, Canadians, British & Thai.

 

We went through the following...

 

Israel 

Palestine

Israeli/Jewish people

Palestinians

Hamas

 

We were unanimous in our position being 

Pro Palestine, Israeli/Jewish people, Palestinians

 

And

 

Anti Israel, Hamas

 

None of us are anti-semitic, none of us condone what happened on 7th October, we all think Hamas are terrorists.  We all see what's happening as a direct result of Nekbah turning Gaza & the West Bank into internment camps and occupation of the West Bank with Israel flouting international law.  We all think the collateral damage is disproportionate to the gains.

 

I am not going to respond to comments, I'm simply putting this out there, if this is how we feel, it's probably more widespread.

Did you similarly think that 9/11 was justified because of .....?

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The threat will never be eliminated. With every bomb killing children another battalion of resistance fighters is created. Israelis will never be safe in israel or outside israel, such is the hatred generated by the israeli massacres of the innocents.

Even if they could kill every Palestinian in Gaza, the West Bank and israel, millions are already in other countries, safe from the israeli atrocities.

 

See a victim of israel's bombs- is that a Hamas fighter? See a girl amid the destruction- is she a Hamas fighter?

 

Photos from google images

 

Plenty of similar photos of German civilians bombed during WWII.

 

It's a simple concept: attack civilians in another country, and your country will suffer consequences.

 

If Myanmar launched an attack into China of the same magnitude as October 7, you don't think the result would be similar?

[scottiejohn]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Did you similarly think that 9/11 was justified because of .....?

Do you similarly think that the invasion of Afghanistan was justified because of 9/11?