webfact Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 To mitigate the escalating PM2.5 pollution problem, the government recently approved a scheme worth 8 billion baht designed to incentivise sugarcane farmers to modify their harvesting methods. The initiative, which is set to be implemented in the 2022/23 harvest year, encourages farmers to cut fresh sugarcane without burning the residue, a practice known to be a significant contributor to the pollution issue. The state-owned Bank for Agricultural and Agricultural Cooperatives will be the source of the funding for the scheme, confirmed Deputy Spokesperson for the Government Rudklao Suwankiri. Participating farmers who harvest their crops without burning the residue will receive a compensation of 120 baht per tonne. This decision by the Cabinet aligns with a resolution made during a meeting of the Cane and Sugar Board, led by the permanent secretary of the Industry Ministry on September 28. The resolution called for the support of sugarcane farmers via a budget not exceeding 8 billion baht. The government is acutely aware of the pressing need to tackle the PM2.5 pollution problem, which worsens annually and impacts the health of millions of individuals, explained Rudklao. The government has therefore opted to incentivise agricultural practices that help in addressing this issue, coupled with seeking increased cooperation with neighbouring countries. by Alex Morgan PHOTO: via food print Full story: The Thaiger 2023-12-05 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe 2
Geoffggi Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, webfact said: The initiative, which is set to be implemented in the 2022/23 harvest year, encourages farmers to cut fresh sugarcane without burning the residue, a practice known to be a significant contributor to the pollution issue. Good luck with this one, Malaysia also having the same problems 1 2
stoner Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 thai schemes always involve so much money. i'm so jealous. 1 1
Popular Post rainyday Posted December 5, 2023 Popular Post Posted December 5, 2023 Mmmm... Without deep & real checks? Let me guess. Pujaban closes his eyes for half of it; 60 Baht/tonne. Other half (60 Baht) for the farmer. 8 billion gone and still burning. Nothing changed. Thank you. 5 1 1 2
Popular Post Mike Lister Posted December 5, 2023 Popular Post Posted December 5, 2023 Plus giant fans to return the blown in pollution from Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia. 1 1 1
Sydebolle Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 Don't forget to take the real beneficiaries of all those burning fields into the equation - the faster the next crop can be planted, the faster the result can be harvested. But nobody wants to mess with the Phooyai in the feed mill industry here in Thailand ..... 1 1
Popular Post PETERTHEEATER Posted December 5, 2023 Popular Post Posted December 5, 2023 8 billion would buy a lot of cane cutting machines and maintenance support to assign to the growing areas for common use. As to 'burning', I think human cutters will only cut fields where the standing cane has been flash burned to remove the sharp leaves. Machines will cut as is but what is cut will be heavier and larger in volume due to the redundant foiliage. Paying the grower by weight is a loser for the miller? Then there remains the stubble which, presumably, the grower burns again before ploughing in. Is that the process? 2 1
Popular Post digger70 Posted December 5, 2023 Popular Post Posted December 5, 2023 Why pay the farmers for Not burning their Trash? In Australia they made this change to Green harvesting and No trash burning 20 years ago. the farmers didn't get paid for that. Green harvest is the alternative to sugarcane pre-harvest burning. It is done by mechanical harvesting machines that have fans to clean the leaves and tops from the stalks before cutting the stalks, leaving the biomass on the ground. The fans can operate to clean some or all of the leaves from the stalks, leaving a modest blanket that can be left on the ground. A portion of the leaves can be transported with the cane to be stripped off at the mill for various uses. The biomass trash blanket, about 60 percent that is left on the ground, restores organic carbon, nitrogen, and other essential chemical elements to the soil, which reduces the cost of added fertilizer that can amount to between 325 and 421 pounds per acre per year. Further, the biomass blanket prevents weed growth and reduces weed control costs by 35 percent. The trash blanket reduces soil erosion, retains soil moisture, and reduces irrigation costs by 10 percent. Green Harvest will eliminate the health issues caused by sugarcane burning. This cane burning increases the number of incidents of respiratory problems, primarily asthma hospital admissions, in sugarcane farming regions. The average annual income in the affected towns is $26,000, so people relocating to a safe location is not an affordable solution, especially for the elderly. I lived in Wellington during the mid-1980s to early 1990s, about 30 miles from the sugarcane burning, and the air was thick with ash and acrid smoke. Our screened-in porch required continuous cleaning. Green harvest will improve air quality, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, reduce herbicide use, and water runoff. It will also reduce big Sugar’s lobbying cost from $11 million per year. There is currently a lawsuit requiring 100 percent green harvest by Big Sugar, in the EAA, by some local residents. Let’s hope it comes to fruition. 2 1 1
Burma Bill Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 2 hours ago, webfact said: designed to incentivise sugarcane farmers IMO, not only sugar cane farmers but sweet corn/maize farmers who burn the stalks and leaves after harvesting the cobs, also folk who set fire to forests in readiness for the harvesting of the small black button mushrooms! Burning corn/maize stalks (stock photo) The much sought after Hed Thob button mushrooms, after the burning season 1 1
Popular Post Will B Good Posted December 5, 2023 Popular Post Posted December 5, 2023 My wife and her extended family have over 200 acres of sugarcane.........none of which is burned pre-harvest.....and last year I saw no pre-harvest burning anywhere near here. The farmers cut the leaves off, collect the extra 120 baht/tonne, and then burn the leaves on the ground......HELLO!! 1 1 3
hotchilli Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, PETERTHEEATER said: 8 billion would buy a lot of cane cutting machines and maintenance support to assign to the growing areas for common use. As to 'burning', I think human cutters will only cut fields where the standing cane has been flash burned to remove the sharp leaves. Machines will cut as is but what is cut will be heavier and larger in volume due to the redundant foiliage. Paying the grower by weight is a loser for the miller? Then there remains the stubble which, presumably, the grower burns again before ploughing in. Is that the process? Take the money and still burn.. farmer says a farang threw a cigarette butt out of the car window. 2
StayinThailand2much Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 8 billion Thai baht? That's not much for this kind of problem. Shows that it's mostly just talk, not action... 1 1
SunsetT Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, digger70 said: Why pay the farmers for Not burning their Trash? In Australia they made this change to Green harvesting and No trash burning 20 years ago. the farmers didn't get paid for that. Green harvest is the alternative to sugarcane pre-harvest burning. It is done by mechanical harvesting machines that have fans to clean the leaves and tops from the stalks before cutting the stalks, leaving the biomass on the ground. The fans can operate to clean some or all of the leaves from the stalks, leaving a modest blanket that can be left on the ground. A portion of the leaves can be transported with the cane to be stripped off at the mill for various uses. The biomass trash blanket, about 60 percent that is left on the ground, restores organic carbon, nitrogen, and other essential chemical elements to the soil, which reduces the cost of added fertilizer that can amount to between 325 and 421 pounds per acre per year. Further, the biomass blanket prevents weed growth and reduces weed control costs by 35 percent. The trash blanket reduces soil erosion, retains soil moisture, and reduces irrigation costs by 10 percent. Green Harvest will eliminate the health issues caused by sugarcane burning. This cane burning increases the number of incidents of respiratory problems, primarily asthma hospital admissions, in sugarcane farming regions. The average annual income in the affected towns is $26,000, so people relocating to a safe location is not an affordable solution, especially for the elderly. I lived in Wellington during the mid-1980s to early 1990s, about 30 miles from the sugarcane burning, and the air was thick with ash and acrid smoke. Our screened-in porch required continuous cleaning. Green harvest will improve air quality, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, reduce herbicide use, and water runoff. It will also reduce big Sugar’s lobbying cost from $11 million per year. There is currently a lawsuit requiring 100 percent green harvest by Big Sugar, in the EAA, by some local residents. Let’s hope it comes to fruition. Thank you....Just what they need; an existing scheme to replicate as they probably havent a clue how to go about this.Please forward to the relevant Thai Department....or PM Sretta Edited December 5, 2023 by SunsetT 1 1
Tarteso Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 Give some of these money to my neighbors, so they can buy more lighters to burn more bags, plastic bottles and garbage. 👍 1 1
digger70 Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, SunsetT said: Thank you....Just what they need; an existing scheme to replicate as they probably havent a clue how to go about this.Please forward to the relevant Thai Department....or PM Sretta OK I'll try that. 1
PETERTHEEATER Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 Thanks digger70 for your 'green' explanation. Applying it to many Thai growers requires a re-education programme yet the gobernment has chosen to bribe them with taxpayer's money. 1
digger70 Posted December 5, 2023 Posted December 5, 2023 2 hours ago, SunsetT said: Thank you....Just what they need; an existing scheme to replicate as they probably havent a clue how to go about this.Please forward to the relevant Thai Department....or PM Sretta Ok done,,,, I send this to the PM permanent secretary office. 1
Popular Post rwill Posted December 5, 2023 Popular Post Posted December 5, 2023 A couple of videos taken from my hotel on Sunday in Petchabun. I saw more fires in other places driving there and back from Ratchaburi. a smoke.mp4 a smoke 2.mp4 1 3
mikebell Posted December 6, 2023 Posted December 6, 2023 21 hours ago, digger70 said: There is currently a lawsuit requiring 100 percent green harvest by Big Sugar, in the EAA, by some local residents. Let’s hope it comes to fruition. It won't in Thailand. A large plume of smoke is easily visible through the widows of every police station here but not one cop will leave their A/C offices to deal with it. 1 1
Burma Bill Posted December 6, 2023 Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikebell said: It won't in Thailand. A large plume of smoke is easily visible through the widows of every police station here but not one cop will leave their A/C offices to deal with it. With respect and from my experience when I lived in Isaan, not surprising when the cops and their families own the farmland! Edited December 6, 2023 by Burma Bill additional information
Xonax Posted December 6, 2023 Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 66 million tons is a hell of a lot of truckloads sugarcane! Edited December 6, 2023 by Xonax
Will B Good Posted December 6, 2023 Posted December 6, 2023 15 hours ago, rwill said: A couple of videos taken from my hotel on Sunday in Petchabun. I saw more fires in other places driving there and back from Ratchaburi. a smoke.mp4 a smoke 2.mp4 Stayed there last February....you couldn't see those hills
bamnutsak Posted December 10, 2023 Posted December 10, 2023 Noticeably smokey in Bangkok this morning. 1
daveAustin Posted December 10, 2023 Posted December 10, 2023 They could of course ensure the police do their jobs and jail the perpetrators… FOR FREE! 2
Mike Lister Posted December 10, 2023 Posted December 10, 2023 1 minute ago, daveAustin said: They could of course ensure the police do their jobs and jail the perpetrators… FOR FREE! Many of the perps are hill tribe people, jailing them will alienate the police and make relations worse. The other problem is that most often, the police come from communities where these perps live and they understand what they are doing and why, even if they don't fully understand the negatives of burning. It's a social problem and an economic problem.
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