15 month retirement visa no longer available?

[cubism001]

My 15 month retirement visa seems to be off the market now. Anyone have a martial arts connection or something similar that works for them? Or advice? I'll bet I have to pull up stakes & live elsewhere! Thanks! Ubon Joe, your opinions?

[DrJack54]

You are actually asking about a non O based on retirement and subsequent 12 month extension.

Still available 

Edited December 9, 2023 by DrJack54

[cubism001]

Then why are other people posting with the same information as mine?  Why are our agents now telling us -, using the nomenclature I used, that they are unable to process our requests now? Can you give me an example of getting such a visa? Perhaps you're thinking of something else.

[cubism001]

14 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

non O based on retirement and subsequent 12 month extension.

"

 The visa holder will often apply for Visa extension based on Retirement when in the Kingdom, which will enable them to stay for longer (see below). However, for this initial application, you will need the following documents:

• Proof that you are 50 years or older (your passport will suffice)
• Sufficient funds in your Thai Bank account not less than 800,000 THB. " Every source says this. This is not the visa we're discussing.

[DrJack54]

8 minutes ago, cubism001 said:

Can you give me an example of getting such a visa? Perhaps you're thinking of something else.

My first reply in attached thread outlines the process.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1311886-visa-exempt-to-retirement-extension-process-and-cost/

 

 

Edited December 9, 2023 by DrJack54

[Pattaya57]

OP has started 3 threads now about this magical "15 month agent visa" and still no-one knows what he's going on about 

 

Note: he said it is not the 90 day non-imm O + 12 month extension package that Agents use to give 15 months total

 

Edited December 9, 2023 by Pattaya57

[cubism001]

29 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

My first reply in attached thread outlines the process.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1311886-visa-exempt-to-retirement-extension-process-and-cost/

You nave not addressed the issue:  '15 months' designates the visa we are discussing.  The financial requirements are much different, and as I said (& you publicly ridiculed) this is only done through an agent.  Before you shame and blame others, please do your homework. This has been around for awhile; you've just forgotten (or ignored it).

29 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

 

 

 

[timendres]

3 minutes ago, cubism001 said:

You nave not addressed the issue:  '15 months' designates the visa we are discussing.  The financial requirements are much different, and as I said (& you publicly ridiculed) this is only done through an agent.  Before you shame and blame others, please do your homework. This has been around for awhile; you've just forgotten (or ignored it).

 

"this is only done through an agent" answers the question.

There is no such thing as a 15 month extension based on retirement. Does not exist.

Hence, whatever your "agent" was doing can probably only be done with that agent.

I suspect the "immigration shakeup" earlier this year (with the Chinese mafia fiasco),

caused whatever "channel" the agent was using for this to disappear. It was never

a proper extension.

[DrJack54]

19 minutes ago, cubism001 said:

You nave not addressed the issue:  '15 months' designates the visa we are discussing. 

In another of your threads you keep banging on about....

"My 15 month retirement visa".

Last time ..There is NO such visa 

 

Also in yet another thread ask best way to learn visa rules.

Here's the answer ...take advice and stop pretending you have the slightest idea. 

 

Thinking some (all) your current threads will end up locked as they are full of misinformation. 

[FritsSikkink]

17 hours ago, cubism001 said:

You nave not addressed the issue:  '15 months' designates the visa we are discussing.  The financial requirements are much different, and as I said (& you publicly ridiculed) this is only done through an agent.  Before you shame and blame others, please do your homework. This has been around for awhile; you've just forgotten (or ignored it).

 

So you bribed an immigration officer to get a visa and are asking now why this doesn't work anymore?

[brianthainess]

18 hours ago, cubism001 said:

My 15 month retirement visa seems to be off the market now. Anyone have a martial arts connection or something similar that works for them? Or advice? I'll bet I have to pull up stakes & live elsewhere! Thanks! Ubon Joe, your opinions?

Sadly Ubon Joe passed away some time ago. Dr Jack has given you the correct info. and you have just become really rude. You don't deserve any help. Go to your Immigration office and ask them, may I suggest not to take your attitude with you.  or you may have your current visa/extension revoked on the spot. 

Edited December 10, 2023 by brianthainess

[farang51]

21 hours ago, cubism001 said:

My 15 month retirement visa seems to be off the market now. Anyone have a martial arts connection or something similar that works for them? Or advice? I'll bet I have to pull up stakes & live elsewhere! Thanks!

 

Are you talking about the Non-immigrant O based on retirement with multiple entries? That is is for 12 months and can give you close to 15 months if you enter Thailand on the last day of the 12 months. That one is still around.

[hotandsticky]

24 minutes ago, farang51 said:

 

Are you talking about the Non-immigrant O based on retirement with multiple entries? That is is for 12 months and can give you close to 15 months if you enter Thailand on the last day of the 12 months. That one is still around.

 

Where from ?

 

From what I have seen, embassies are only issuing a single entry Non-Imm 'O' based on retirement.

[Robin]

What iss so magical about a 15 month  visa?  I find that 12 months, with re-entry permit, is quite adequate.  Very easy to extend fro another 12 months in the last month of the visa.  No agent needed and nohign to pay except fro visa fee.

[NoshowJones]

22 hours ago, cubism001 said:

My 15 month retirement visa seems to be off the market now. Anyone have a martial arts connection or something similar that works for them? Or advice? I'll bet I have to pull up stakes & live elsewhere! Thanks! Ubon Joe, your opinions?

Are you not referring to the multiple entry based on marriage which you can, or used to get at Savakannet which lasted up to 15 months,

Also, where does the Martial Arts connection come in to this.

[farang51]

1 hour ago, hotandsticky said:

 

Where from ?

 

From what I have seen, embassies are only issuing a single entry Non-Imm 'O' based on retirement.

Sorry for not saying so, I thought it was back in all countries. It was gone for a while but in the last year I have seen it mentioned for several countries in various threads in here. I got mine in Denmark.

[Lemsta69]

4 hours ago, Robin said:

What iss so magical about a 15 month  visa?  I find that 12 months, with re-entry permit, is quite adequate.  Very easy to extend fro another 12 months in the last month of the visa.  No agent needed and nohign to pay except fro visa fee.

 

This has been mentioned many times before but I'll repeat it but for shiz and giggles.

 

Using an agent means you can keep your money invested in a real country and get a decent rate of return. 

 

You don't have to dump assets to fund the financial requirements and you also don't have all that money festering in a Thai bank account at ridiculously low interest rates.

 

There's also the added bonus of never having to visit an immigration orifice ever again! 

[jaxon]

6 hours ago, Lemsta69 said:

 

This has been mentioned many times before but I'll repeat it but for shiz and giggles.

 

Using an agent means you can keep your money invested in a real country and get a decent rate of return. 

 

You don't have to dump assets to fund the financial requirements and you also don't have all that money festering in a Thai bank account at ridiculously low interest rates.

 

There's also the added bonus of never having to visit an immigration orifice ever again! 

How much does the agent charge usually? 

[moe666]

On 12/9/2023 at 2:25 PM, Pattaya57 said:

OP has started 3 threads now about this magical "15 month agent visa" and still no-one knows what he's going on about 

 

Note: he said it is not the 90 day non-imm O + 12 month extension package that Agents use to give 15 months total

 

Never heard of a 15 month visa and have been here 13 years

[Pattaya57]

6 hours ago, Lemsta69 said:

Using an agent means you can keep your money invested in a real country and get a decent rate of return. 

 

You don't have to dump assets to fund the financial requirements and you also don't have all that money festering in a Thai bank account at ridiculously low interest rates.

I've never understood this argument as initial non-imm O + 12 month extension through an agent costs around 26,000 baht. So that means your money at home needs to earn 3.25% after tax just to break-even (5% interest can easily be < 3.25% after tax)

 

However, how do you live if you don't send the same 800,000 baht a year to Thailand that non-agent users send. Why do agent supporters always act like they never have to send their home money to Thailand in order to live?

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by Pattaya57

[Bobthegimp]

6 hours ago, Pattaya57 said:

I've never understood this argument as initial non-imm O + 12 month extension through an agent costs around 26,000 baht. So that means your money at home needs to earn 3.25% after tax just to break-even (5% interest can easily be < 3.25% after tax)

 

However, how do you live if you don't send the same 800,000 baht a year to Thailand that non-agent users send. Why do agent supporters always act like they never have to send their home money to Thailand in order to live?

 

 

The post is either deliberately misleading or someone doesn't understand the rules at all. Nobody who lives here could be this obtuse.

 

You're pretending that you can spend the 800k in your bank account when the rules about maintaining a balance are quite onerous.

 

   Sending 800k per year isn't what's stipulated in the rules, the minimum is 65k/month and that doesn't work for one's first extension.  Jomtien doesn't accept income letters from embassies who still provide them, even though it's the law of the land. I have no experience with other offices. 

 

Why would one invest the money in a taxable account when tax free options are available?  The Americans have the Roth IRA and Canadians have the TFSA.  Other Western countries probably have similar options.

 

My recent 1 year extension via an agent was 12,500 baht.  The 26k posted in the above quote is just for the initial 3 month non o plus the 12 month retirement extention.  Once again, a very misleading post.  Not an outright lie, but a neophyte would easily be confused by such a misdirection. 

 

Why do people who leave 800k in a dead account post misleading information about using agents?  

 

 

[Pattaya57]

1 hour ago, Bobthegimp said:

Why do people who leave 800k in a dead account post misleading information about using agents?  

First it's 400k in dead account for most of the year as you can spend 400k after 3 months, before topping up again to 800k 2 months before next extension.

 

You failed to say how much money you send to Thailand each year while on an agent funded extension. Is it more than 400-800k baht so you also have same money in a dead account to pay for living expenses?

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Pattaya57

[CMBob]

In February of 2009, at Hua Hin Immigration, I converted a Tourist Visa to a Non-O and simultaneously obtained a one-year extension based on retirement that began at the end of the 90 days provided by the Non-O......so effectively I obtained a 15-month permission to stay.  Whether any Immigration office will do that again is unknown to me but maybe that's what the OP is trying to talk about.  But, as everyone else has said, there is no such thing as a single visa or extension that lasts 15 months. 

[CartagenaWarlock]

23 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

So you bribed an immigration officer to get a visa and are asking now why this doesn't work anymore?

You don't get a visa, you only get an extension by sharing your fortune with the unfortunates who don't have access to earning dollars. 

[Nemises]

1 hour ago, Bobthegimp said:

Why do people who leave 800k in a dead account

Stupidity!

[Bday Prang]

I'm guessing the OP must be referring to the multi entry Non O   based on retirement, ( or marriage) which is the only visa I know of that could allow 15 months, if used carefully.  It has certainly been removed from the UK e visa website, and many others according to recent reports, apparently the marriage version is still available from Savannakhet.

Personally I have never used an agent, but I have no issues whatsoever with anybody who does,  for whatever reason.

  I cannot understand why anybody posting on this forum  objects to others using an  agent, It really isn't any of their business.

  Do agents even have any influence regarding visa applications made in foreign countries, its not something I ever thought about before but I would be interested to know the answer

As for the objectors, why not just get a life and mind your own business

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, Bobthegimp said:

Why do people who leave 800k in a dead account post misleading information about using agents?  

Why those who do not use agents feel the need to stick their nose into other peoples business is a mystery to me.  Shortcuts are there to be taken after all

[parallelman]

I suggest that the OP go to the appropriate Immigration Office and tell them about this (mythical) 15 month extension. That the OP appears not to have done this already suggests to me that he is just trying to stir things up.

[zzzzz]

10 hours ago, jaxon said:

How much does the agent charge usually? 

for the 15 month (single 90 day non O + 1 year extension)
28,000+ if ur in Patttaya< 
everywhere else 36,000-60,000
 

[jimn]

3 hours ago, CMBob said:

In February of 2009, at Hua Hin Immigration, I converted a Tourist Visa to a Non-O and simultaneously obtained a one-year extension based on retirement that began at the end of the 90 days provided by the Non-O......so effectively I obtained a 15-month permission to stay.  Whether any Immigration office will do that again is unknown to me but maybe that's what the OP is trying to talk about.  But, as everyone else has said, there is no such thing as a single visa or extension that lasts 15 months. 

Sorry wrong person lol

Edited December 11, 2023 by jimn