Corrections Dept, Police Hospital Representatives Face House Panel Grilling On Thaksin

[Guderian]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

representatives of the Corrections Department and Police Hospital are obliged to give truthful testimony before the House panel

 

 I promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...

 

[DJ54]

Maybe he’s waiting to get fitted with stay at home bracelet….

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

None of your post - history lesson - relates to his extended stay in hospital rather than a prison cell.

It demonstrates that the whole business back to the first coup to remove him and the Junta government which replaced him was a politically motivated farce - driven by the entrenched establishment whose  policies, access to the nations wealth and power, he and his government threatened.

 

The political tables have turned, and his faction is in the ascendant. Hence the current farce. My "history lesson" is relevant in as much as it demonstrates that this is a long running rather than a purely contemporary travesty.

 

Poking fun at "the Benny Hill of Farang political commentators" was merely the icing on the cake!

[billd766]

6 hours ago, kennw said:

Yes he can get on with it in Jail where he has been legally sentenced.

By a court convened by an illegal coup.

 

Thailand has far bigger problems than worrying and witch hunting Thaksin.

 

Corruption within the police, military and civil service is costing Thailand multiple billions of baht every year. Pollution is costing billions more.

 

Yet still they are chasing Thaksin.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, smedly said:

this is shameful on parade for the Thai public

 

I thought he was sentenced to 18 years 

 

such a good man he was extorting billions from the people while playing the victim ?

 

 

 

 

And how many years in jail were given to the all generals involved in the military coup that illegally deposed him?

 

In fact, how many generals have EVER been punished for making illegal coups and stealing the whole country?

[Bangkok Barry]

26 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

It demonstrates that the whole business back to the first coup to remove him and the Junta government which replaced him was a politically motivated farce - driven by the entrenched establishment whose  policies, access to the nations wealth and power, he and his government threatened.

 

The political tables have turned, and his faction is in the ascendant. Hence the current farce. My "history lesson" is relevant in as much as it demonstrates that this is a long running rather than a purely contemporary travesty.

 

Poking fun at "the Benny Hill of Farang political commentators" was merely the icing on the cake!

 

This post - another history lesson - also has no relevance to his extended hospital stay. Strange that you persist in posting them. Even if what you write is correct, it has no relevance to this thread. 

[candide]

12 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

This post - another history lesson - also has no relevance to his extended hospital stay. Strange that you persist in posting them. Even if what you write is correct, it has no relevance to this thread. 

It has all to do with thread, as one of the main reason the establishment (in particular Prem) was afraid of Thaksin, is exactly the same reason why he received this exceptional treatment and will be pardoned. I cannot be more explicit, as you may guess.

[bristolgeoff]

He is saying probadly i have a deal and have paid for it.So what ever happens i stay in a 5 star hospital wing without a worry in the world

[Zack61]

Grilled with an ice cube I bet. That’s about as hot as it’s going to get. 

[RocketDog]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It doesn't really matter how sick he is. The question is how sick he is compared to the thousands of other inmates who are also sick.

Is he, who arrived seemingly healthy on his private plane, the sickest inmate of all of them?

And if there are maybe 100 inmates who are sicker than him, do they all get VIP treatment in hospitals for months?

 

The Thai prison system should obviously be concerned about their inmates. If they are seriously ill, then they should get treated.

And that applies to all inmates and all of them in the same way. A sick pick pocket thief should be treated in the same way that a politician is treated.

 

So, how many other inmates are sick and how are they treated?

I can't argue with your logic, and egalitarianism is a cornerstone of any true justice system.

However....... It rankles a bit to think of pedophiles, murderers, sociopaths, and criminally negligent people from trucking companies, electrical authorities etc getting such 'fair' treatment.

 

Such gray areas exist in all human justice systems but some can stretch credulity beyond understandable limits. Such as glaringly obviously dangerous, even proven bad actors, being able to run for high government

office in nominally sane countries such as the USA.

 

The older I get the less I understand so many things. I'm just glad I'm on the way out instead of the way in.

[sambum]

".......the de facto Pheu Thai boss-cum-convict at large who has been staying at the hospital for nearly four months now without schedule for dispatchment and return to Bangkok Remand Prison."

 

It was ever meant to be thus! Did anybody actually think that Thaksin was going to return to Thailand and go straight to jail to serve out an 8 year sentence?

 

The man himself said that he wanted to return to Thailand to spend time with his grandchildren, and you can bet your "bottom dollar" he didn't intend to do that inside a prison!!!

[scorecard]

Just reinforcement that he has no respect for anybody except his family and no respect for the laws of Thailand. 

 

Bottom line:

- he broke several serious laws,

- he was convicted in a proper court clear evidence he was guilty

- he was sentenced to several jail terms,

- he received big reductions on those sentences before he served 1 day,

- he should now be in a regular jail serving out those long sentences. 

[scottiejohn]

47 minutes ago, scorecard said:

he was convicted in a proper court clear evidence he was guilty

That comment should be in the joke section.  

In what way can a Military appointed court installed after a coup be in any way described as "proper"?

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

That comment should be in the joke section.  

In what way can a Military appointed court installed after a coup be in any way described as "proper"?

He wasn't tried in a Military appointed court, he was tried in the normal court / juristic processes.

[scorecard]

7 hours ago, billd766 said:

And how many years in jail were given to the all generals involved in the military coup that illegally deposed him?

 

In fact, how many generals have EVER been punished for making illegal coups and stealing the whole country?

So as you have done multiple times before you divert from the case at hand back to " how many generals have EVER been punished for making illegal coups and stealing the whole country?"

 

As mentioned multiple times before 'it's true that the generals should be tried and punished' but that's a different case to the thaksin/ jail / hospital etc., case. 

[thesetat]

12 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Perhaps it is time again to point out once again, he was repeatedly elected in consecutive elections, and overthrown by the military when it looked like he was about to score another resounding victory. The same happened to his protege, his sister.

Perhaps you forget that he used his position as the prez to purchase land that would be sold to the government and made huge profits from this. 

You must also forget that he and his sisters method of gaining and keeping power was to pay the poor money to ensure electing them. As well as paying them to go protest in Bangkok when others were near to removing them from office. 

As for the military overthrowing them her? Perhaps you forgot the details that she was not the PM anymore and was refusing to leave the office in her idea of democracy prior to the general forcibly removing her. 

And again. It was an Army general doing this. Who do you think ordered the general to do that as well as endorsing the regime?

 

It never ceases to amaze me how people remember what suits their needs and forgetting so much. 

[billd766]

33 minutes ago, scorecard said:

So as you have done multiple times before you divert from the case at hand back to " how many generals have EVER been punished for making illegal coups and stealing the whole country?"

 

As mentioned multiple times before 'it's true that the generals should be tried and punished' but that's a different case to the thaksin/ jail / hospital etc., case. 

Yet in reality there is still not one single general that has ever been punished for a military coup yet because Thaksin was deposed BY a military coup, you think he should be punished.

 

A coup de tat is treason against the elected government.

 

Just suppose for a moment that every general that held a coup was punished. Do you think that would be fair and legal, even if they were punished by the government that they attempted to overthrow?

[V8M8]

13 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Ah, the white man's burden!

 

Your extraordinary, almost (perhaps it actually is) obsessive hatred of the man, and delight at his being overthrown by the right wing military is well known and exhaustively documented; together with your complete contempt for the Thai electorate. Although for some time now it has verged on the entertaining - you have become to critical observation of the Thai political scene what Benny Hill was to cerebral comedy!

 

Perhaps it is time again to point out once again, he was repeatedly elected in consecutive elections, and overthrown by the military when it looked like he was about to score another resounding victory. The same happened to his protege, his sister.

 

He went into exile because his enemies, then ascendant, would have killed him. He, and his sister were subsequent to their disposal, tried and sentenced in courts which had more than a whiff of a political taint. He remained popular within Thailand, there was never any doubt that if allowed to stand he would run again. The rest of the grown up world recognised Junta justice when they saw it. That is why he was free to roam the world for so many years, untouched by any sanctions, unworried at any attempts to return him to Thailand.

 

The current Thai political construct, although in so many ways a discredited fudge, recognises that, and makes it inevitable he will be pardoned and released. His sister is likely to return as well. The Thai population regard this as inevitable, and rather seem, if they are concerned at all, to approve.

 

I await with bated breath your "neo-orgasmic reaction" to these events -  Benny Hill, prepare for your grand finale!

Remember Shin Corp? Enough said. "Neo-Orgasmic"?

[herfiehandbag]

56 minutes ago, thesetat said:

Perhaps you forget that he used his position as the prez to purchase land that would be sold to the government and made huge profits from this. 

You must also forget that he and his sisters method of gaining and keeping power was to pay the poor money to ensure electing them. As well as paying them to go protest in Bangkok when others were near to removing them from office. 

As for the military overthrowing them her? Perhaps you forgot the details that she was not the PM anymore and was refusing to leave the office in her idea of democracy prior to the general forcibly removing her. 

And again. It was an Army general doing this. Who do you think ordered the general to do that as well as endorsing the regime?

 

It never ceases to amaze me how people remember what suits their needs and forgetting so much. 

Or indeed how some will ignore the essential facts, yet clutch at any allegation to justify the denial of democratic government, the cancellation of elections, and the removal and replacement of civilian elected politicians with generals and the whole paraphernalia of junta government!

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, herfiehandbag said:

Or indeed how some will ignore the essential facts, yet clutch at any allegation to justify the denial of democratic government, the cancellation of elections, and the removal and replacement of civilian elected politicians

That comment puts me in mind of an ex POTUS!

[herfiehandbag]

8 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

This post - another history lesson - also has no relevance to his extended hospital stay. Strange that you persist in posting them. Even if what you write is correct, it has no relevance to this thread. 

The whole business is - farcical, verging on bizarre. My analysis, with which you are of course entitled to disagree, is an attempt to place it in a context which perhaps shows it is no more bizarre or farcical than the events which initiated it.

 

Unless of course, you are suggesting that discussion of the whole business should be confined within boundaries which you define as relevant. That of course would mean that any discussion would have to run along lines you ordain - perhaps what you really mean?

[curlylekan]

On 12/12/2023 at 1:30 AM, herfiehandbag said:

Ah, the white man's burden!

 

Your extraordinary, almost (perhaps it actually is) obsessive hatred of the man, and delight at his being overthrown by the right wing military is well known and exhaustively documented; together with your complete contempt for the Thai electorate. Although for some time now it has verged on the entertaining - you have become to critical observation of the Thai political scene what Benny Hill was to cerebral comedy!

 

Perhaps it is time again to point out once again, he was repeatedly elected in consecutive elections, and overthrown by the military when it looked like he was about to score another resounding victory. The same happened to his protege, his sister.

 

He went into exile because his enemies, then ascendant, would have killed him. He, and his sister were subsequent to their disposal, tried and sentenced in courts which had more than a whiff of a political taint. He remained popular within Thailand, there was never any doubt that if allowed to stand he would run again. The rest of the grown up world recognised Junta justice when they saw it. That is why he was free to roam the world for so many years, untouched by any sanctions, unworried at any attempts to return him to Thailand.

 

The current Thai political construct, although in so many ways a discredited fudge, recognises that, and makes it inevitable he will be pardoned and released. His sister is likely to return as well. The Thai population regard this as inevitable, and rather seem, if they are concerned at all, to approve.

 

I await with bated breath your "neo-orgasmic reaction" to these events -  Benny Hill, prepare for your grand finale!

 

I like your analysis. It is different from the western point of view - very refreshing. The viewpoint can help to make sense of a system we westerners know little about, but we judge based on the western system.

[kiwikeith]

On 12/12/2023 at 12:06 PM, Fancyzancy said:

Just let him go on with his life. Everyone will be happy and the media will love telling daily stories. 

I think that's tipped to happen February 5th, second pardon  ,police can't keep up this intensive care for. Ever,he can have his own private doctor's treat him at home, saving the state money, and everyone happy, happy, to much. 

[still kicking]

On 12/12/2023 at 7:01 AM, hotchilli said:

Obliged to give truthful testimony.... 

 

[scorecard]

10 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

I think that's tipped to happen February 5th, second pardon  ,police can't keep up this intensive care for. Ever,he can have his own private doctor's treat him at home, saving the state money, and everyone happy, happy, to much. 

 

As said, he's a convicted criminal, he should be in jail, the same jail as all other convicted criminals.