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  On 12/21/2023 at 4:41 AM, ozimoron said:

 

No surprises there. Everybody else looks at the evidence itself. Nobody "Believes" Hamas terrorists.

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Yes I'm still waiting for evidence from you when you accused me of lying, but as for evidence from IDF ands their maps:

 

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/new-idf-map-splits-gaza-into-hundreds-of-zones-residents-will-be-warned-of-active-combat/

 

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  On 12/21/2023 at 4:35 AM, billd766 said:

And you seem to believe that everything that the IDF and the is the trurg and that they would never tell a lie.

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I would bet a pound to a pinch of snuff that they are far more reliable than a bunch of terrorists!

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  On 12/21/2023 at 4:39 AM, Bkk Brian said:

I prefer to believe the IDF over Hamas terrorists

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Up to you. I tend not to believe any government or military outpourings unless it can be independently verified.

 

All governments and militaries are biased in their own way. They happily publish and flaunt things that make them look good (at least in their eyes) yet downplay, ignore or simply deny things that make them look bad.

 

If it is bad they will blame the opposition, the media, the social media the people of the country, anybody but themselves.

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  On 12/21/2023 at 5:21 AM, billd766 said:

Up to you. I tend not to believe any government or military outpourings unless it can be independently verified.

 

All governments and militaries are biased in their own way. They happily publish and flaunt things that make them look good (at least in their eyes) yet downplay, ignore or simply deny things that make them look bad.

 

If it is bad they will blame the opposition, the media, the social media the people of the country, anybody but themselves.

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Yep up to me correct, terrorists or the governments/military. Yep still go for the governments/military especially when the evidence is there which it is.

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  On 12/21/2023 at 4:35 AM, billd766 said:

And you seem to believe that everything that the IDF and the is the trurg and that they would never tell a lie.

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The maps being published, and the public announcements regarding attacks are facts.

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  On 12/21/2023 at 4:41 AM, ozimoron said:

 

No surprises there. Everybody else looks at the evidence itself. Nobody "Believes" Hamas terrorists.

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You do not deal with 'facts', but dish your opinions, which you treat as 'facts.

 

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  On 12/21/2023 at 5:21 AM, billd766 said:

Up to you. I tend not to believe any government or military outpourings unless it can be independently verified.

 

All governments and militaries are biased in their own way. They happily publish and flaunt things that make them look good (at least in their eyes) yet downplay, ignore or simply deny things that make them look bad.

 

If it is bad they will blame the opposition, the media, the social media the people of the country, anybody but themselves.

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@billd766

 

You routinely treat information provided by Hamas as credible.

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  On 12/21/2023 at 5:21 AM, billd766 said:

Up to you. I tend not to believe any government or military outpourings unless it can be independently verified.

 

All governments and militaries are biased in their own way. They happily publish and flaunt things that make them look good (at least in their eyes) yet downplay, ignore or simply deny things that make them look bad.

 

If it is bad they will blame the opposition, the media, the social media the people of the country, anybody but themselves.

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  So you don't believe that these hostages  were waving white flags and that they were shot by the IDF?

The IDF said they were carrying white flags and shot by them  and you don't believe them ?

You think that they weren't carrying white flags and they weren't killed by the IDF ?

The only reports come from the IDF and they weren't independently verified by anyone else 

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  On 12/21/2023 at 5:29 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Yep up to me correct, terrorists or the governments/military. Yep still go for the governments/military especially when the evidence is there which it is.

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It is also up to me whether I believe or disbelieve.

 

This is why I prefer independent verification and not believe what is written in the first instance.

 

What is the difference, in your opinion, between a terrorist and a freedom fighter?

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  On 12/21/2023 at 8:27 AM, billd766 said:

It is also up to me whether I believe or disbelieve.

 

This is why I prefer independent verification and not believe what is written in the first instance.

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I couldn't care less about what you believe or not, your the one following me around...........:cheesy:

  On 12/21/2023 at 8:27 AM, billd766 said:

What is the difference, in your opinion, between a terrorist and a freedom fighter?

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Oh gawd............more nonsense

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  On 12/21/2023 at 8:33 AM, Bkk Brian said:

I couldn't care less about what you believe or not, your the one following me around...........:cheesy:

Oh gawd............more nonsense

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Why is it, in your opinion, nonsense? Do you not have an answer, or was the question too difficult for you?

 

OK. I will try to keep it simple for you.

 

Was Nelson Mandela, former president of South Africa. a terrorist or a freedom fighter?

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  On 12/21/2023 at 10:47 AM, billd766 said:

Why is it, in your opinion, nonsense? Do you not have an answer, or was the question too difficult for you?

 

OK. I will try to keep it simple for you.

 

Was Nelson Mandela, former president of South Africa. a terrorist or a freedom fighter?

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  On 12/21/2023 at 10:47 AM, billd766 said:

Why is it, in your opinion, nonsense? Do you not have an answer, or was the question too difficult for you?

 

OK. I will try to keep it simple for you.

 

Was Nelson Mandela, former president of South Africa. a terrorist or a freedom fighter?

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   An off topic question 

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  On 12/21/2023 at 8:27 AM, billd766 said:

It is also up to me whether I believe or disbelieve.

 

This is why I prefer independent verification and not believe what is written in the first instance.

 

What is the difference, in your opinion, between a terrorist and a freedom fighter?

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   Now listen Bild , You aren't going to convince anyone that Hamas are freedom fighters and not terrorists .

   No ones going to say, *Actually Bild, you are right, Hamas are freedom fighters and not terrorists *

You may as well save time and effort and not bother trying to convince 

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  On 12/21/2023 at 10:59 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Now listen Bild , You aren't going to convince anyone that Hamas are freedom fighters and not terrorists .

   No ones going to say, *Actually Bild, you are right, Hamas are freedom fighters and not terrorists *

You may as well save time and effort and not bother trying to convince 

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And you aren't going to convince anybody that the IDF are just defending their citizens by carpet bombing refugee camps.

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  On 12/21/2023 at 11:29 AM, coolcarer said:

Still waiting for a credible link to this unsubstantiated claim.

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Citing estimates of damage to urban areas, military analysts say the destruction of northern Gaza in less than seven weeks has approached that caused by the years-long carpet-bombing of German cities during the second world war.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/7b407c2e-8149-4d83-be01-72dcae8aee7b

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Indiscriminate  bombing and carpet bombing are opposites (in meaning)

Carpet bombing is bombing one particular place with lots of bombs and indiscriminate  bombing is just firing bombs anywhere .

   Two different meanings 

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  On 12/21/2023 at 11:31 AM, ozimoron said:

 

Citing estimates of damage to urban areas, military analysts say the destruction of northern Gaza in less than seven weeks has approached that caused by the years-long carpet-bombing of German cities during the second world war.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/7b407c2e-8149-4d83-be01-72dcae8aee7b

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  On 12/21/2023 at 11:32 AM, ozimoron said:
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You don’t get this. Can you read your own post. Can you read what you claimed?

  On 12/21/2023 at 11:06 AM, ozimoron said:

 

And you aren't going to convince anybody that the IDF are just defending their citizens by carpet bombing refugee camps.

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  On 12/21/2023 at 11:34 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

Indiscriminate  bombing and carpet bombing are opposites (in meaning)

Carpet bombing is bombing one particular place with lots of bombs and indiscriminate  bombing is just firing bombs anywhere .

   Two different meanings 

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Just like "war and "conflict" huh? A distinction without a difference. Gaza is one particular place, it is not the gobi desert.

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  On 12/21/2023 at 11:35 AM, ozimoron said:

 

Just like "war and "conflict" huh? A distinction without a difference. Gaza is one particular place, it is not the gobi desert.

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You are now claiming no difference in carpet bombing and indiscriminate bombing. Can you articulate that in a way that provides some logic to your claim?

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  On 12/21/2023 at 10:59 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Now listen Bild , You aren't going to convince anyone that Hamas are freedom fighters and not terrorists .

   No ones going to say, *Actually Bild, you are right, Hamas are freedom fighters and not terrorists *

You may as well save time and effort and not bother trying to convince 

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Exactly, not going to waste time on such extreme comparisons, to even suggest it shows just how far removed from reality he really is.

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  On 12/21/2023 at 11:40 AM, coolcarer said:

You are now claiming no difference in carpet bombing and indiscriminate bombing. Can you articulate that in a way that provides some logic to your claim?

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The two terms mean exactly the same thing. Again.

 

The term area bombing refers to indiscriminate bombing of an area and also encompasses cases of carpet bombing, including obliteration bombing.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing

 

 

 

 

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https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/from-precision-devastation-unraveling-impact-legality-wesam-tqcsf

 

From Precision to Devastation: Unraveling the Impact and Legality of Israel's Modern Carpet Bombing Tactics in Gaza

 

The evolution of these military tactics has translated into a contemporary iteration of carpet bombing, characterized by the systematic erasure of civilian areas. The human cost is immense, with countless lives lost and entire communities shattered.

 

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  On 12/21/2023 at 12:20 PM, ozimoron said:

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https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/from-precision-devastation-unraveling-impact-legality-wesam-tqcsf

 

From Precision to Devastation: Unraveling the Impact and Legality of Israel's Modern Carpet Bombing Tactics in Gaza

 

The evolution of these military tactics has translated into a contemporary iteration of carpet bombing, characterized by the systematic erasure of civilian areas. The human cost is immense, with countless lives lost and entire communities shattered.

 

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Exclusive: Nearly half of the Israeli munitions dropped on Gaza are imprecise ‘dumb bombs,’ US intelligence assessment finds | CNN Politics

 

The sad image you have posted, along with numerous others like it on the internet, serves as evidence of the consequences when Israel employs dumb bombs with complete disregard for the safety of innocent civilians.

 

Not sure who is dumb here, the bomb or the war criminal who use them in the first place.

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