Dismiss "Wokeness" - Stop doing business with people who hate you and your traditional values

[ozimoron]

Just now, freeworld said:

Wokeness is a concept for all the young disadvantaged in the world who have access to social media and who are trying to get their voices and opinions heard whilst they cry out in pain at all the injustices they endure.

 

garbage. It's the academic study of how racism is pervasive in society., Nothing more than that. The right wing have a problem with sloganeering.

[impulse]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Racists think that prejudice is normal. Everybody else thinks it's abnormal.

 

You're confusing normal with desirable.

 

 

[retarius]

15 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

It helps the oligarchs maintain a grip on power.

I agree. The ways the elites have stayed in power since the early days of humanity has been to create divisions between the population it controls and others. creating an enemy we can show no mercy to, is the only thing oligarchs do well. 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You're confusing normal with desirable.

 

Nope, hatred  based on skin color or ethnicity is a defect.

[retarius]

40 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Racists don't get to change the dictionary.

 

Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination".

 

"Alert". Not brain dead moronic misuse of words intended to hurl invective.

No activists for quota people get to do that. and I reject it. They have changed the definition of racism from being someone who acts and speaks in a racist manner, to someone who is merely white and acts in a totally impartial manner. The definition of Anti-Semite has changed from someone who doesn't like Jews and discriminates against them, to someone who doesn't express full support for Israel's atrocities against Palestinians. 

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I come across things here and there - in tv advertising, tv shows and films, at work, where there is a clear attempt to seem hip to the jive of what young people are thinking, and on occasion they go too far or muck it up. Mainly harmless - and hardly new for the powers that be to try and win favour for dubious motives.

 

When I got back to the USA after many years of living overseas, I was astounded that pretty much every TV ad featured a mixed race or gay couple.

 

Given the low percentage they actually represent in society, I considered it pandering.

 

[EVENKEEL]

45 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Racists don't get to change the dictionary.

 

Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination".

 

"Alert". Not brain dead moronic misuse of words intended to hurl invective.

Racists don't get to change the dictionary.

 

But the Woke brigade does.

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

9 minutes ago, impulse said:

You're confusing normal with desirable.

 

Nope, hatred  based on skin color or ethnicity is a defect.

 

I made no judgment about its desirability.  Just that it's a "normal" state and has been for most of history and across most of the world.  (Including Thailand)  That doesn't mean it's good. 

 

Edit:  BTW, hatred is a strong word.  Most racism is lower key.

 

Edited January 4 by impulse

[ozimoron]

Just now, impulse said:

 

I made no judgment about its desirability.  Just that it's a "normal" state and has been for most of history and across most of the world.  That doesn't mean it's good.

 

It's a physical brain defect. Narcissistic personality disorder.

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It's a physical brain defect. Narcissistic personality disorder.

 

Narcissism and racism may be related at some physical level, and may share a few traits, and perhaps causes. 

 

But they're nowhere near the same thing.

 

[retarius]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Racists think that prejudice is normal. Everybody else thinks it's abnormal.

Are you saying I'm racist? Well it's your opinion I suppose. 

But your statement reflects your level of thinking. You seem to think that everyone, except racists, agree with you. Meaning, that if someone doesn't agree with you, then the y are a racist. And I have to cry BS at that notion . 

[1FinickyOne]

57 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Perhaps go back to school to learn to read a dictionary?

Wow.. when you graduate to 3rd grade, let me know... 

[ozimoron]

25 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Narcissism and racism may be related at some physical level, and may share a few traits, and perhaps causes. 

 

But they're nowhere near the same thing.

 

 

Racism is a subset of narcissism. All racists are narcissistic.

[ozimoron]

25 minutes ago, retarius said:

Are you saying I'm racist? Well it's your opinion I suppose. 

But your statement reflects your level of thinking. You seem to think that everyone, except racists, agree with you. Meaning, that if someone doesn't agree with you, then the y are a racist. And I have to cry BS at that notion . 

 

The mere use of the term racism in non academic social discourse to insult is racist. Only racists do it. In every context it's used there is at least a racist undercurrent and at worst, explicit racism.

[PremiumLane]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

I came across this great opinion piece written by James Gorrie on "Wokeness" and how to get rid of it.

In the article he makes some hard-hitting points, e.g. about the distortion of language, where Wokish words now almost mean the opposite of what they used to. 

"A big part of the woke movement’s success lies in its Orwellian distortion of language so that commonly understood meanings of words are inverted to mean the opposite. For example, words such as “tolerance” really mean intolerance of competing ideas and values, and “inclusion” found in the common woke phrase “diversity, equity, and inclusion,” or DEI, really means excluding traditional ideas, values, and beliefs." 

This post is a good opening shot to trigger the discussion about the Woke phenomenon, that you currently see all around you.  And fortunately more and more people are waking up to that dystopian world-view and don't want to have anything to do with it.  The Bud Light story and the latest Disney movie-bummers being some examples of 'Enough is Enough'...

 

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2024: The Year to Cancel ‘Wokeness’ in America

Stop doing business with people who hate you and your traditional values.

 

Source: https://www.theepochtimes.com/opinion/2024-the-year-to-cancel-wokeness-in-america-5554997

 

Commentary

When it comes to spending their money and supporting their values, many Americans are now wide awake, and most don’t like what they see. “Peak Wokeness,” a term that may or may not be new (it is to me), is now pervasive in our lives and dominates our culture.

Undoubtedly, it would like to do the same with our private thoughts and our closely held traditional values and beliefs.

It just about does.

Wokeness Is Orwellian – and Everywhere

The woke crowd in America is loud, proud, and ... Stalinesque. It’s literally forcing communism down our collective throats.

Worse, these greatly misguided and extremely intolerant people are seemingly everywhere—from your coffee shop and your bank and your 401k investments to the shows you pay to watch on your smart television. They’re in the boardrooms of corporate America; they run our schools, colleges, and universities that celebrate transgenderism and make indentured servants of their graduates­, and are in Human Resources departments to ensure that no independent thought or idea is expressed in the workplace.

A big part of the woke movement’s success lies in its Orwellian distortion of language so that commonly understood meanings of words are inverted to mean the opposite. For example, words such as “tolerance” really mean intolerance of competing ideas and values, and “inclusion” found in the common woke phrase “diversity, equity, and inclusion,” or DEI, really means excluding traditional ideas, values, and beliefs.

 

Is the "wokeness" in the room with us now?

[impulse]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Racism is a subset of narcissism. All racists are narcissistic.

 

By that line of reasoning, any Thai woman that won't marry (or even date) a foreigner is a narcissist?

 

Edited January 4 by impulse

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

By that line of reasoning, any Thai woman that won't marry (or even date) a foreigner is a narcissist?

 

 

You'd need to draw a line between that comment and racism. You've jumped the shark here.

[PremiumLane]

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Celsius said:

Go woke or go broke 

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Rather > Go woke and go broke. 

[impulse]

Just now, ozimoron said:

You'd need to draw a line between that comment and racism. You've jumped the shark here.

 

Racism is treating people (or even thinking about them) differently based on some racial trait.

 

You seem to think it's limited to abject hatred.  It can be a lot more subtle.

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

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Rather > Go woke and go broke. 

 

You might want to call Elon.

[proton]

Even Ricky is 'woke'

 

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, impulse said:

 

Racism is treating people (or even thinking about them) differently based on some racial trait.

 

You seem to think it's limited to abject hatred.  It can be a lot more subtle.

 

 

Nope, the unlying motive is clear as a bell and it's always hatred. It's used mainly as just another dog whistling code word. Nothing else.

 

Thai women might have a million reasons why not to marry a foreigner that aren't based on racism. This is your non sequitur.

[impulse]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Nope, the unlying motive is clear as a bell and it's always hatred. It's used mainly as just another dog whistling code word. Nothing else.

 

Thai women might have a million reasons why not to marry a foreigner that aren't based on racism. This is your non sequitur.

 

So if I decide not to hire any blacks because they statistically have more problems with the law, that's not racism?  Judging a person by the color of their skin is racism. Has nothing to do with hate.  But I'd still get sued (and rightfully so) for $$$ millions, for racism. 

 

If a person chooses (or excludes) a romantic partner based on race, that's racism.  

 

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, retarius said:

and in fat the only transgender person I come across is an assistant at the bakery store

Not allowed to call someone 'fat' these days. 555

[Gecko123]

About the only time I hear the term "woke" is on this forum, and almost 100% of the time the discussion has been raised by right-wing nut jobs who have been worked into a tizzy by right-wing nut job media. What an earlier poster wrote about this being a wedge issue designed to distract people from more serious social inequality issues and to pit the underclass against one another is spot on.

[proton]

12 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Not allowed to call someone 'fat' these days. 555

 

what about lard arse, gut bucket and slob?

[novacova]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Unadulterated dross for the hard of thinking.

 

The war on woke.......if wokeness ever existed....... is a rightwing construct to distract people from focussing on things that really matter in their lives.....healthcare, education, environment, cost of living.

Woke is a leftist construct, just another word for Marxism plain and simple. The only ones that don’t realize it are the ones that have submitted to the digressive ideology.

[Andrew Dwyer]

1 hour ago, proton said:

 

Not so sure, it's here but not as bad. They got rid of black man mops with the fuzzy woozie emblem and renamed Darkie toothpaste to Darlie, and that was years ago

Yes, Thailand hasn’t sunk to the depths that they have in the good ole US of A , wonder what any American visitors would make of this in my local Robinson’s:

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

garbage. It's the academic study of how racism is pervasive in society., Nothing more than that. The right wing have a problem with sloganeering.

Maybe so.. but you have to acknowledge that woke has taken on a different meaning regardless of the dictionary definition. Based on the wider use of it do you not see that people can go over the top in trying too hard to be inclusive and non racist etc. Doesn't mean being racist, or non inclusive as such is a good thing ever, but simply that trying too hard in the opposite direction can be tedious and damaging and can result in people being judged too harshly for having different opinions that may have some merit, or for saying something out of turn or making a mistake.  

Edited January 4 by Fat is a type of crazy