Video: Is there any hope for Thai education?

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The Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) evaluates the knowledge and skills of 15-year-old students worldwide in reading, mathematics and science every three years.

 

Each time the PISA results are announced, it becomes a hot issue, as the performance of Thai students declines. Thai PBS World spoke to experts in the field of education to find out whether there is a light at the end of the tunnel for our national education system.

 

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[JoePai]

Nothing will change while the entrenched fossils are in charge of the country

[stoner]

pretty much hopeless at this point. its a much bigger issue than just schooling. 

[KhunLA]

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[2baht]

 Is there any hope for Thai education?

As it stands, absolutely not!

[stoner]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

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Thai students among top winners at Regeneron ISEF 2023

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Thai student team wins Intel AI Global Impact Festival Grand Prize

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Are those cases a reflection of the whole system or individuals.

[Pouatchee]

NO... ENN-O

 

this fat guy with glasses is just repeating the rhetoric they used to teach us at uni in all the ed programs... but no one has ever come up with a method to implement these DESIRABLE CHARACTERISTICS. every time they try to change the program they end up messing the kids. only thing needed is good classroom management, a supportive admin not afraid to take action if the kids need to repeat a year, and teachers who know their lasagna.

unfortunately, none of that here in thailand

Edited January 16 by Pouatchee

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, stoner said:

Are those cases a reflection of the whole system or individuals.

Some school suck, some excel.  If students don't apply themselves, then the best school won't help.  Some of the smartest, most successful people never finished school.

 

Going by some the intellect expressed on this forum, old school systems in US/UK/EU/AU fail and excel just as good or as bad in TH.

 

I fortunately had  decent school as a youngin, with a couple excellent teachers.  Most everything else was self taught.  That same school, same teachers, produce more smarter than myself, and sadly, way too many idiots, but can't fault the school or the teachers.

 

From some of the YT vids I see (granted, select idiots), but TH isn't that far behind or ahead of the rest of the world.

 

Those that apply themselves in life succeed.  TBH, there isn't much I learned in school that I needed in life, except the very basics, and everyone gets that.   The rest is up to us, or the Thai students, in this case.

 

 

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Going by some the intellect expressed on this forum, old school systems in US/UK/EU/AU fail and excel just as good or as bad in TH.

 

Ouch.  True, but Ouch.

 

[peter zwart]

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

From some of the YT vids I see (granted, select idiots), but TH isn't that far behind or ahead of the rest of the world.

As long people say/think like that you already lost "the battle". They are way behind. And i realy feel sorry to see that. But after 10 years in Thailand with upgrowing kids i can make this conclusion. And of course, there is a small group of Thai that are well educated and smart. But its just a very small group.

[stoner]

20 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

From some of the YT vids I see (granted, select idiots), but TH isn't that far behind or ahead of the rest of the world.

 

this is simply not true. 

 

there are wonderful things about thai people and thailand. the education system is not one of them.

[Yellowtail]

Compared to what? My kid got and is getting a much better education than he would ever have gotten at most schools in the US. 

 

 

[impulse]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Compared to what? My kid got and is getting a much better education than he would ever have gotten at most schools in the US. 

 

Does he know if he's a dude, and that being skint that day doesn't make it okay to rob the 7/11?

 

I think a lot of the guys here have fond memories of an education system back home that doesn't exist any more.  At least not in the same form.

 

Edited January 16 by impulse

[KhunLA]

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Compared to what? My kid got and is getting a much better education than he would ever have gotten at most schools in the US. 

Same, my daughter did fine in Thai schools, applied herself, especially at Uni, now has the job she wants & likes (pay not so much), along with her online business, makes as much as her salary, and started RE investing.   All of 24 yrs old, only 2 yrs out of Uni.

[bkk6060]

Smart people will challenge others.  Dummies lay down. I actually think this countries leaders prefer stupid people. 

[KhunLA]

16 minutes ago, impulse said:

I think a lot of the guys here have fond memories of an education system back home that doesn't exist any more.  At least not in the same form.

Agree, and my High School is an excellent example.   Rated #2 in the state, when I went, couple years later, merged with 2 other towns, to form a 'district/bussed in' school, and a decade or less later, and it was rated #2 ... from the bottom in the state.

 

Now, 30 yrs later, I can't imagine how far it's fallen.   Gangs run it now.  

Edited January 16 by KhunLA

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Thai PBS World spoke to to find out whether there is a light at the end of the tunnel for our national education system.

[RichardColeman]

Just back in the new year and my kids are off already for teachers training day ! Hopeless education system. That said, I have to say the results of Thai education are about the same as the uneducated idiots I met in blackpool uk during covid !

[Ben Zioner]

Well, instead of hiring pot smoking backpackers they should recruit only teachers who are fully vetted in their country of origin.  

[eyeman]

Far too long covid schooling from home, which started and stopped several times for many schools, and the endless retarded masking which seems to be happening to this day in government schools won't have had an effect right?  They had no hope before, now it's the hub of poor education... I honestly ponder what they learn in the 10-12 years of schooling, before a few years in fight school technical college before heading to the factory, it certainly isn't math or science - a calculator for the most trivial of sums, it isn't history that's for sure - ww2? romans?, and geography nope - flat earthers have a better idea...

Edited January 16 by eyeman

[thesetat2013]

2 hours ago, Pouatchee said:

NO... ENN-O

 

this fat guy with glasses is just repeating the rhetoric they used to teach us at uni in all the ed programs... but no one has ever come up with a method to implement these DESIRABLE CHARACTERISTICS. every time they try to change the program they end up messing the kids. only thing needed is good classroom management, a supportive admin not afraid to take action if the kids need to repeat a year, and teachers who know their lasagna.

unfortunately, none of that here in thailand

You are missing alot. They need to actually discipline without violence. They need to follow through with assignments and have grades reflecting actual work done. They need to get rid of the stupid values classes Prayut began. The Thai teachers need to stop teaching rote and allow the kids to be creative with their learning. Then they need to stop using tutoring as a means to collect cash by withholding information in classrooms causing the less apt kids problems. The parents need to stop using school as a babysitter during the day and actually hold their kids accountable. Many things need to change but never will. 

[Yellowtail]

9 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

You are missing alot. They need to actually discipline without violence. They need to follow through with assignments and have grades reflecting actual work done.

Should the grades not reflect what has been learned? 

9 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

They need to get rid of the stupid values classes Prayut began. The Thai teachers need to stop teaching rote and allow the kids to be creative with their learning. Then they need to stop using tutoring as a means to collect cash by withholding information in classrooms causing the less apt kids problems. The parents need to stop using school as a babysitter during the day and actually hold their kids accountable. Many things need to change but never will. 

What does letting students be creative with leaning mean? 

 

 

[brianthainess]

How can they ask questions to teachers who don't know the answers or the ability to debate them. Can't lose face at any cost. 

[Pouatchee]

34 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

You are missing alot. They need to actually discipline without violence. They need to follow through with assignments and have grades reflecting actual work done. They need to get rid of the stupid values classes Prayut began. The Thai teachers need to stop teaching rote and allow the kids to be creative with their learning. Then they need to stop using tutoring as a means to collect cash by withholding information in classrooms causing the less apt kids problems. The parents need to stop using school as a babysitter during the day and actually hold their kids accountable. Many things need to change but never will. 

 

see, thing is, taught in everything here from uni to primary to gvt schools to international and lest not forget the classic english program. they usually dont get violence from us and still fail to put in any effort. be it noted, i have had some very bright and amazing kids over the years... and there are always a few in every class. 

[PETERTHEEATER]

4 hours ago, stoner said:

 

Are those cases a reflection of the whole system or individuals.

IMO they are individuals. Considering the whole system it is failed.

[zzaa09]

6 hours ago, JoePai said:

Nothing will change while the entrenched fossils are in charge of the country

Yet, there appears to be an ever entrenched [if not subliminal] championing and romance of the same mentioned fossils. Tradition.

Revolutionary practices are never really acted upon and non sequitur notions tend to be a weak substitute. 

 

[thailand49]

5 hours ago, stoner said:

 

Are those cases a reflection of the whole system or individuals.

These stats are misleading when you talk about the poor pure government schools they arent the ones winning these awards. Many of these winners come from well to do family having money so their child can attend these event. 

Thats my two baht!

[KhunLA]

26 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

These stats are misleading when you talk about the poor pure government schools they arent the ones winning these awards. Many of these winners come from well to do family having money so their child can attend these event. 

Thats my two baht!

I'm guessing not just TH.  Helped raise 2 kids in the USA (only other experience), and public schools there are a joke.   Took them out and placed them in private (Catholic  of all thing) school.  Now a whole lot better, but at least the safe.  That was in suburbia.  Forget inner city schools, stay home, stay alive.

[steven100]

4 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

Well, instead of hiring pot smoking backpackers they should recruit only teachers who are fully vetted in their country of origin.  

agree .....  but that's only part of the reason it's a big failure ... 

 

I blame the parents as #1 responsibility to instill in their kids that education and high grades are paramount or the family will look down at you as a useless nobody.   If kids have proper responsible parents the kids grow up to be responsible,  if the kids have pot head drunk parents every night then the kids will grow up sleeping on the streets. 

 

I also blame the top dog of the education system .... he has obviously failed in teaching his managers, principles, supervisors, hired teachers, staff and anyone else ..to explain and instill in the kids that a good education is an absolute must and the reasons why.  

 

And third,  I blame the government for not doing the same through TV and mentor principles. 

 

It's a big mess,   and as long as the kids sleep on their desks while in class it'll always remain a mess .... 

 

[GreasyFingers]

7 hours ago, JoePai said:

Nothing will change while the entrenched fossils are in charge of the country

Like those on here ad nauseam.