Hi Folks, 

 

I do not, really, mean to take up too much of your time in the consideration of my next desktop computer.

 

But, also, I think that some others might be interested in how to get the most bang for the buck.

 

a.  I have pretty much settled upon this CPU (INTEL CORE I5-13500 2.5 GHz (SOCKET LGA 1700)) as the one that I will buy next week.

 

b.  My only question now is... What mainboard might be best?

1. I will attach three monitors.  (and these are sort of legacy monitors, some without HDMI ports, etc, although I can buy adaptors, of course.)  ALSO, I might want to attach 4 monitors in some cases, because I think that the onboard Intel CPU graphics can accommodate 4 monitors.  Although, I will need to check this.)

2. I need to attach two scanners, and at least one USB microphone, and a few other things.

3. Needs to be really reliable.  I have had problems with capacitors burning out in the distant past on other mainboards, probably due to salt air off the Pacific Ocean.

4.  I always opt of ASUS motherboards...and I know what to expect.  And, I like what I get.

 

c. After this question of which motherboard to choose, I have my second only question of what 500-watt powersupply to select.

 

I have no idea.

It seems to me that there must be a heavy import duty on powersupplies to Thailand...but why I do not know.

 

So, which power supply might be best from those offered at JIB?

 

d.  I always buy my computer stuff at JIB.  I am just a creature of habit, and so I will buy everything at JIB in CM.

 

e.  Concerning the CASE for this new build....

 

I would like to thank everyone for their suggestions, to date.

 

I DID learn quite a bit from the Computer Case input from readers here ont he IT forum.

 

And so, thank you for this.

 

f.  Now....I am mostly concerned with which socket 1700 mainboard to buy from ASUS.....

 

I am NOT a gamer.

And so I do not need superfast RAM or super fast anything.

 

Except, in the future, I might like to have a PCI-e ramdrive...if you know what I mean.  I just want to speed up the display of information on the screen the moment I hit the button, if you know what I am talking about.

 

Therefore, I need the capability to install a Samsung Ramdrive....in the PCIe slot, I think.

 

I will not buy it now.

But, I might buy a better one within the next several months.

Until then, I will just use my SSD and my 4Tbyte HDDs....

 

So, anyway, this is just about it...

 

I already know the CPU I will buy.

 

The only question here is what mainboard might be best.

 

I do not mean to trouble you.

However, I also realize that there are many here who just enjoy sharing opinions on a Topic such as this, especially when a new motherboard purchase is in the offing.

 

Thank you and regards,

Gamma

 

 

NOTE:  Not such a bad price at JIB for this CPU.....but....maybe I could do better elsewhere?  Or, maybe they might have a promotion next week?  I really do not know.....

 

 

 

There is no such think as the BEST/Low Cost Mainboard.

And do you really expect an expert answer on this forum for such a question?

Maybe ask in a specialist computer forum. But even they won't be able to answer a question similar to "what is the best car?".

 

Or are you just working on your quota of how many question you can ask here?

7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There is no such think as the BEST/Low Cost Mainboard.

 

Sorry, but I respectfully beg to differ.

 

Here is meant:

 

a. BEST for my particular uses

b. Low Cost rather than High Cost for the range of my uses

 

c. Do I expect an expert answer for my questions?

 

Why not?

 

d.  I am not asking anything about automotive related questions.

 

I have already explained my guidelines and my usage for my new computer.

Therefore, I would expect that some here would be able to express valuable and informed opinions and suggestions.

 

Do NOT sell the readers on TV short, my friend.

 

Anytime you might, then you also might get the shock of your life.

 

I have been similarly shocked in several cases, so far.

And so, I NEVER will, again, sell TV readers short.

 

Take a lesson from what I have already learned, the hard way.

 

Best regards,

Gamma

 

Does anybody know:

 

Has anyone read anything, very recently, concerning an impending PRICE Drop in mid-level CPUs, within the next few weeks?

 

The reason I ask is this:

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2193906/intel-drops-18-new-14th-gen-core-desktop-processors-at-ces.html

 

 

Often, as far as I know, when Intel comes out with new and faster CPUs...then the price of mid-level CPUs sometimes decreases.

 

So, I don't want to buy a CPU, such as the one I mentioned in the headline, if the price will very soon be reduced for this item....

 

My budget is USD250....

And, I will want to get the best CPU for this price.

 

If the price is destined to go down for these CPUs in the next few weeks, then I will wait to buy.

 

Anybody know?

 

 

 

Intel Gen 14 'Raptor Lake' is already on sale at both JIB and Advice now - take a look at there websites

 

Appears the New 14 Gen Intel cost the same or cheaper than the 13 Gen, so can only guess maybe the remaining [old stock] 13 Gen CPUs will come down in price

 

As for Motherboards, up to you and what you need - you like Asus, myself like Gigabyte 

2 minutes ago, ignis said:

Intel Gen 14 'Raptor Lake' is already on sale at both JIB and Advice now - take a look at there websites

 

Appears the New 14 Gen Intel cost the same or cheaper than the 13 Gen, so can only guess maybe the remaining [old stock] 13 Gen CPUs will come down in price

 

As for Motherboards, up to you and what you need - you like Asus, myself like Gigabyte 

 

OK.

Thank you.

I will definitely consider this before purchasing.

 

4 monitors and 2 scanners. What are you doing on your PC please?

10 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

4 monitors and 2 scanners. What are you doing on your PC please?

 

Anything and Everything.

And, as I stated before...

Helping the Chinese.

I am an Old Friend of China, let's not forget.

 

8 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Hi Folks, 

 

I do not, really, mean to take up too much of your time in the consideration of my next desktop computer.

 

But, also, I think that some others might be interested in how to get the most bang for the buck.

 

a.  I have pretty much settled upon this CPU (INTEL CORE I5-13500 2.5 GHz (SOCKET LGA 1700)) as the one that I will buy next week.

 

b.  My only question now is... What mainboard might be best?

1. I will attach three monitors.  (and these are sort of legacy monitors, some without HDMI ports, etc, although I can buy adaptors, of course.)  ALSO, I might want to attach 4 monitors in some cases, because I think that the onboard Intel CPU graphics can accommodate 4 monitors.  Although, I will need to check this.)

2. I need to attach two scanners, and at least one USB microphone, and a few other things.

3. Needs to be really reliable.  I have had problems with capacitors burning out in the distant past on other mainboards, probably due to salt air off the Pacific Ocean.

4.  I always opt of ASUS motherboards...and I know what to expect.  And, I like what I get.

 

c. After this question of which motherboard to choose, I have my second only question of what 500-watt powersupply to select.

 

I have no idea.

It seems to me that there must be a heavy import duty on powersupplies to Thailand...but why I do not know.

 

So, which power supply might be best from those offered at JIB?

 

d.  I always buy my computer stuff at JIB.  I am just a creature of habit, and so I will buy everything at JIB in CM.

 

e.  Concerning the CASE for this new build....

 

I would like to thank everyone for their suggestions, to date.

 

I DID learn quite a bit from the Computer Case input from readers here ont he IT forum.

 

And so, thank you for this.

 

f.  Now....I am mostly concerned with which socket 1700 mainboard to buy from ASUS.....

 

I am NOT a gamer.

And so I do not need superfast RAM or super fast anything.

 

Except, in the future, I might like to have a PCI-e ramdrive...if you know what I mean.  I just want to speed up the display of information on the screen the moment I hit the button, if you know what I am talking about.

 

Therefore, I need the capability to install a Samsung Ramdrive....in the PCIe slot, I think.

 

I will not buy it now.

But, I might buy a better one within the next several months.

Until then, I will just use my SSD and my 4Tbyte HDDs....

 

So, anyway, this is just about it...

 

I already know the CPU I will buy.

 

The only question here is what mainboard might be best.

 

I do not mean to trouble you.

However, I also realize that there are many here who just enjoy sharing opinions on a Topic such as this, especially when a new motherboard purchase is in the offing.

 

Thank you and regards,

Gamma

 

 

NOTE:  Not such a bad price at JIB for this CPU.....but....maybe I could do better elsewhere?  Or, maybe they might have a promotion next week?  I really do not know.....

 

 

 

Most new Motherboards these days have 1 or 2  on board M-2 SSD slots on them, [mush faster] so easy to put 1TB WD Black @ 2,700 baht when building  ?

 

https://www.jib.co.th/web/product/readProduct/53212/1471/1-TB-SSD--เอสเอสดี--WD-BLACK-SN770---PCIe-4x4-NVMe-M-2-2280--WDS100T3X0E-

 

26 minutes ago, ignis said:

Most new Motherboards these days have 1 or 2  on board M-2 SSD slots on them, [mush faster] so easy to put 1TB WD Black @ 2,700 baht when building  ?

 

https://www.jib.co.th/web/product/readProduct/53212/1471/1-TB-SSD--เอสเอสดี--WD-BLACK-SN770---PCIe-4x4-NVMe-M-2-2280--WDS100T3X0E-

 

 

Yes.

Good suggestion.

Torvalds actually wrote an article (quite a few years ago) about his love of both working in his pajamas at home,  as well as his love of using a ram disk in the PCIe slot.

 

I think you might know Torvalds....

 

 

So, I will take his advice.

 

Thanks for reminding me.

 

Excellent suggestion with low price....and good guarantee.

Tks for this!

 

 

Went to upgrade my Pc and ended up building a new one instead .

Put intel i5-13400F LGA1700 in it and used ASUS B760M-PLUS WIFI D4 also. 
Power unit was Eva 750 GQ and for a cooler I used Ak400 zero dark fan.

Most of parts I bought online from Jib and Advice computer shop. 
Case I chose a tsunami case which has one glass side and well ventilated at back and top with all buttons on the top.

2 minutes ago, ronster said:

Went to upgrade my Pc and ended up building a new one instead .

Put intel i5-13400F LGA1700 in it and used ASUS B760M-PLUS WIFI D4 also. 
Power unit was Eva 750 GQ and for a cooler I used Ak400 zero dark fan.

Most of parts I bought online from Jib and Advice computer shop. 
Case I chose a tsunami case which has one glass side and well ventilated at back and top with all buttons on the top.

 

Thanks....

 

13 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

If the price is destined to go down for these CPUs in the next few weeks, then I will wait to buy.

Intel introduce their new ranges in February and the price of older ones fall. Happens most years.

Stop worrying about cost.  The computer should last you for 5 years so even an "expensive" computer doesn't cost that much per year.  Even after 5 years is should still be more than good for hooking to a TV for YouTube or watching recorded videos.

 

Look at what your needs are and find the appropriate board.  You are asking for a lot of extra connections so you really need a motherboard that has lot of slots for adding connection boards.  

 

Another thing of importance is how much RAM memory?  The answer is as much as you can stick in the motherboard - 16 GB minimum and if the mother board will accept 32 GB then put that in.  Start off with a solid state 3TB C drive and add more 3 TB drives for extra storage as if needed.

 

What about your display board - if you are just using the computer for browsing and watching videos then a simple low cost video board is okay.  If, however, you are using your computer for something like video editing you need a high end video board.  If you are doing high quality photography you will also a high power video board to provide fast response when retouching.  For video editing and photography you may want to get a color calibration device for your monitors (Google search for "monitor color calibration tool").

 

Google is your friend for finding out what motherboards are available.  Here is one example from a Google search for "motherboard for intel core is-13500 CPU"

 

Best Motherboards to Buy for Intel Core i5 13500

On 1/20/2024 at 3:25 PM, HarrySeaman said:

Stop worrying about cost.  The computer should last you for 5 years so even an "expensive" computer doesn't cost that much per year.  Even after 5 years is should still be more than good for hooking to a TV for YouTube or watching recorded videos.

 

Look at what your needs are and find the appropriate board.  You are asking for a lot of extra connections so you really need a motherboard that has lot of slots for adding connection boards.  

 

Another thing of importance is how much RAM memory?  The answer is as much as you can stick in the motherboard - 16 GB minimum and if the mother board will accept 32 GB then put that in.  Start off with a solid state 3TB C drive and add more 3 TB drives for extra storage as if needed.

 

What about your display board - if you are just using the computer for browsing and watching videos then a simple low cost video board is okay.  If, however, you are using your computer for something like video editing you need a high end video board.  If you are doing high quality photography you will also a high power video board to provide fast response when retouching.  For video editing and photography you may want to get a color calibration device for your monitors (Google search for "monitor color calibration tool").

 

Google is your friend for finding out what motherboards are available.  Here is one example from a Google search for "motherboard for intel core is-13500 CPU"

 

Best Motherboards to Buy for Intel Core i5 13500

 

Yes.

I agree, and I often view computer costs in this perspective that you suggest.

 

BY THE WAY...I have used this site, or the original site that became this site, since about the year 2008, as I recall....

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html

 

This site, in the past, has always provided me with the best up-to-date info on CPU speed vs price....

 

I really like this format, and anytime I needed a new CPU, I would always visit this site and make comparisons, before buying.

 

I will use this site to help me in my choice this time.

 

And so...I will just buy the i5 here:

 

Cheap..but...good enough...

And, I will use it until the day I die....

 

Maybe...

 

 

 

One of my main concerns when choosing a CPU for a new computer is that the GPU will run 4 displays:

 

 

So, good enough for my needs.

 

I need 4 DIISPLAYS connected at all times.

This is crucial for my choice of an acceptable CPU...

 

Looks like this CPU is rather a winner in many respects.

 

 

At what refresh rate for each ?

at what pixel count for each ?

at what colour depth ?

what is the maximum of above for all four running at the same time ?

 

Does the mb bios and connections support 4 displays at once ?

 

Btw, those benchmarks are specific to a combination of cpu, motherboard, and memory. Raw theoretical performance of any one part is just an indication since what you experience is the combination.

12 minutes ago, degrub said:

At what refresh rate for each ?

at what pixel count for each ?

at what colour depth ?

what is the maximum of above for all four running at the same time ?

 

Does the mb bios and connections support 4 displays at once ?

 

Btw, those benchmarks are specific to a combination of cpu, motherboard, and memory. Raw theoretical performance of any one part is just an indication since what you experience is the combination.

 

Yes.

Thank you.

 

However...I am mostly concerned with getting enough resolution sufficient for simple text and images on each display, enough for reading, and no need for high resolution video.

 

Concerning the mainboard for the desktop...

I will choose an ASUS, maybe.

Which one...not yet sure.

 

I will have 16GB of moderately fast RAM...

 

And, then...

Good to go.

 

 

 

43 minutes ago, degrub said:

At what refresh rate for each ?

at what pixel count for each ?

at what colour depth ?

what is the maximum of above for all four running at the same time ?

 

Does the mb bios and connections support 4 displays at once ?

 

Btw, those benchmarks are specific to a combination of cpu, motherboard, and memory. Raw theoretical performance of any one part is just an indication since what you experience is the combination.

 

Anyway, I will install a "ram disk" in the PCI-e slot.

And, according to what I read...about 8 years ago, as I dimly recall...

The integrated graphics on the Intel CPU can take advantage of some of this RAM...

Right or wrong....

Time will tell.

 

Probably...then...the answer is...

NO...(or yes)....or...

IDK....

 

 

Last i recall, the on board gpus use part of the general memory, in your proposed case, part of the 16 GB. 
Ram disks are mostly obsolete now with the use of nvme based memory drives. 

7 minutes ago, degrub said:

Last i recall, the on board gpus use part of the general memory, in your proposed case, part of the 16 GB. 
Ram disks are mostly obsolete now with the use of nvme based memory drives. 

tks

36 minutes ago, degrub said:

Last i recall, the on board gpus use part of the general memory, in your proposed case, part of the 16 GB. 
Ram disks are mostly obsolete now with the use of nvme based memory drives. 

 

So then....?

 

This seems to answer the question.

 

For the bus, yes. Solid state memory devices excel at sequential reading of blocks of their memory and transfer to the bus. Where they loose significant transfer rate speed is with random read and writes - I/O. Here the rate is controlled by the size of contiguous blocks transferred, the queue depth, location, and cache size.  If you look up reviews of various brands of nvme and ssd devices serving as random access disks, you will see that the larger the total memory - 128 GB, 256, 512, 1 TB, 2, 4, the faster overall bandwidth will be because of the ability to run parallel operations, particularly random I/O.  Some I/O controllers are faster than others as well. So what difference does it make ? For most general users with web and office type uses, not much once shifted to either ssd or nvme disk devices. For applications like databases or servers, it can make a difference.

 

The most noticeable difference for general users is at OS startup and for program/app startup. Both will take less time and feel “snappier”. After initial loading of the programs, the accesses shift to being more random in location on the device and in size of data or program code being read or written.  This is still faster than on a spinning disk, but the real world feeling of nvme being faster than a sata ssd is less noticeable. It is faster though.

25 minutes ago, degrub said:

For the bus, yes. Solid state memory devices excel at sequential reading of blocks of their memory and transfer to the bus. Where they loose significant transfer rate speed is with random read and writes - I/O. Here the rate is controlled by the size of contiguous blocks transferred, the queue depth, location, and cache size.  If you look up reviews of various brands of nvme and ssd devices serving as random access disks, you will see that the larger the total memory - 128 GB, 256, 512, 1 TB, 2, 4, the faster overall bandwidth will be because of the ability to run parallel operations, particularly random I/O.  Some I/O controllers are faster than others as well. So what difference does it make ? For most general users with web and office type uses, not much once shifted to either ssd or nvme disk devices. For applications like databases or servers, it can make a difference.

 

The most noticeable difference for general users is at OS startup and for program/app startup. Both will take less time and feel “snappier”. After initial loading of the programs, the accesses shift to being more random in location on the device and in size of data or program code being read or written.  This is still faster than on a spinning disk, but the real world feeling of nvme being faster than a sata ssd is less noticeable. It is faster though.

 

Right.

 

Unfortunately, I had not been clear in my comment above.

 

I was not speaking about a "ram disk", per se....using a HDD or SSD.

 

I was referring to this:

 

Anyway...if using 16GB of main memory RAM...

Then, presumably, the onboard GPU would use the RAM....in some cases.

 

And, no SSD of any type would be used by the onboard GPU.

 

(So...no point in mentioning SSD in this case....I guess.)

 

To clarify the original question, then:  IF the computer has 16GB of RAM (main memory), then will the GPU utilize this memory?  Or, not? And, might faster RAM improve the performance of the Intel onboard GPU, if and when this RAM was accessed?

 

I have no idea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most admittedly, I conflated and mixed up two separate questions:

 

A.  Concerning the onboard GPU of the 13500 CPU

 

1.  Does the GPU access and take advantage of fast RAM (Main Memory) in some cases? 

 

2.  If so, then will fast RAM enhance the performance of the GPU on the Intel CPU?  (ie..when using 4 monitors, etc...)

 

B. Concerning SSD/storage memory attached to the PCIe Slot

 

1. If software programs and often-used data, are moved to the storage in the PCIe Slot...then will there be an improvement in speed of accessing and running these often-used software programs, due to faster access to data stored on the storage in the PCIe Slot?

 

2. Or, is SATA3 now so fast that there is very little speed gain achieved through the use of having storage memory installed in the PCIe Slot?

 

 

Two unrelated questions.

 

16 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Most admittedly, I conflated and mixed up two separate questions:

 

A.  Concerning the onboard GPU of the 13500 CPU

 

1.  Does the GPU access and take advantage of fast RAM (Main Memory) in some cases? 
 

in all cases

I

 

2.  If so, then will fast RAM enhance the performance of the GPU on the Intel CPU?  (ie..when using 4 monitors, etc...)

not noticeably

16 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

B. Concerning SSD/storage memory attached to the PCIe Slot

 

1. If software programs and often-used data, are moved to the storage in the PCIe Slot...then will there be an improvement in speed of accessing and running these often-used software programs, due to faster access to data stored on the storage in the PCIe Slot?

best is to use one nvme device for OS / programs and one for data. If single nvme device, then get a much larger device, eg 1TB instead of 256 or 512 GB.

 

2. Or, is SATA3 now so fast that there is very little speed gain achieved through the use of having storage memory installed in the PCIe Slot?

sata 3 and pcie bus speeds are fixed. Sata3 has not changed and is slower than pcie generally. Use nvme solid state disks unless you need large capacity. More than a couple TB, a traditional sata 3 spinning rust disk is usually less costly per TB.
 

 

 

Two unrelated questions.

 

 

12 minutes ago, degrub said:

not noticeably

 

 

OK..

No need for especially large capacity storage.

1 TByte will do....